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Colin Trevorrow Asked Rian Johnson To Shoot An Extra Scene

Seems as though Colin Trevorrow followed in Rian Johnson’s footsteps and asked for a small favor of the current Star Wars director. Just as Rian Johnson asked J.J. Abrams to have R2-D2 go with Rey to Ach-To and leave BB-8 behind, Colin Trevorrow asked Johnson for a similar favor. Click through to find out more.

 

Colin Trevorrow recently spoke with with MTV’s Happy Sad Confused Podcast and during the interview he explained the situation in which he asked Rian Johnson to make one small inclusion to help his Episode IX.

When MTV asked Trevorrow if he had done something similar to Rian Johnson’s R2 favor from The Force Awakens he explained:

There was one little thing. It wasn’t an adjustment, it was just “Could you shoot this one extra thing while you’re in this place on this day?” And he did, which was great. But, y’know, it’s part of the collaborative process that exists – everyone is in communication. There’s such a genuine want to get this right from everybody, and I think that one of the misconceptions is that there’s some kind of great corporate overlord that is dictating this story to everybody, and that’s what it’s going to be because that’s going to sell the most toys. The reality of it is that it’s a small group of people, but it’s actually, y’know, kind of large when you think about it – and none of them are corporate, all of them are creatives and all of them are genuinely, very sincerely, wanting to do the work of their lives in order to realize this.     -Colin Trevorrow

While I think it’s great that Trevorrow is thinking ahead and getting some things done, the rest of his response sort of mimics Kathleen Kennedy’s words on how this Sequel Trilogy hasn’t been planned out. He doesn’t directly say that, in fact, he says only that the story isn’t being dictated by “some kind of great corporate overlord”. However, most of you have read or listened to the interviews where Kathleen Kennedy said that this Trilogy had not been planned out ahead of time. And while I think it is great that each director is able to take the story and make it their own, I still feel like the overall story would’ve benefited more from some cohesive story plan from the start. You can still make it your own by having an idea of where it’s going.

Yes, yes…I know. Empire was re-written etc. etc. Leia wasn’t Lukes sister and Vader wasn’t his father and that brought about such a great movie.  Agree or disagree, but this is a different circumstance and with three VERY different directors basically writing down a piece of a story and passing it along for the next one to add to may come with some poor plot points and some unanswered questions.

What are your thoughts on this? Do you like that the Sequel Trilogy had no structure or plan from the start and they’re all just “winging it”? Or would yuo have preferred they had some sort of story line to follow. I’m still personally worried about Trevorrow directing Episode IX, but we still have The Last Jedi to worry about.

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  • Jimmy Griffin

    I think they should have had a broad outline for the whole of the sequel trilogy before they were finished with TFA; as well as a set of guidelines for how the legacy character’s story-lines would ultimately play out. Yes, that’s not how it happened with the OT, but this isn’t the OT. In some ways there’s more at stake with this, therefore it needs to be handled more carefully.

    • Agreed.

    • Tyler Frechette

      Since we’re talking about the continuation of the most important movie saga ever created, yeah, I agree. They are messing this up so badly.

    • localfromiskalon

      I know I’m late to the party here, but I agree with so much
      of what you’ve been saying, especially concerning Thrawn and Mara Jade. You’re totally right. The Thrawn Trilogy was stamped by Lucas and was generally accepted as THE SW sequel trilogy. Just acknowledge they exist (which of course they do regardless of what Disney says), but do that in the new Disney iteration, too, and it would be a much better situation. Or at the very least just don’t make a blanket statement that it doesn’t. There was no need to scrap everything in such an obvious cash-grab. Not everything in the EU was super great, but that’s not the point. Those stories meant a lot to many people for decades. It was super insulting and unnecessary. If the decades of previous material were too cumbersome, just come up with your new idea, and if it contradicts something, address it then. And none of the new ancillary book and comic material even seems SW to me (I do enjoy the first two seasons I’ve seen of Rebels, and Rogue One was great, but that’s really it).
      That being said, I did actually enjoy TFA, mostly because of the Han, Chewie, and the new characters (though I’m certainly aware of its faults). With just a few changes, it could have been a much more satisfying and complete movie. All the OT and PT movies at the very least were complete stories or chapters. ESB was a cliffhanger, but still a complete chapter. TFA just didn’t feel ‘whole’. One change? When Rey is handing Luke his lightsaber, she says something like , “Here’s your lightsaber, Dad! (and where’s my mom, Mara Jade? Just for good measure:)” BOOM. Much better, more complete movie, and not all the pointless, forced ‘mystery’. Explains Rey’s rapidly growing force abilities much better, too. Even one of the trailers had Luke saying, “The force is strong in my family…I have it, my sister has it, and you have it…” But TLJ on? Very apprehensive about what they’re going to be doing…It’s almost like much of what Disney’s going to be doing with the brand will be just a new version of Star Wars Infinities.
      OR, from the point where Han and Chewie meet Rey, Finn, and
      BB-8, the entire rest of the movie is them flying all over the galaxy getting
      into various misadventures in their search for Luke and getting back to Han’s
      wife, Jedi Leia Organa-Solo. I could re-watch that movie any time.

  • Tyler Frechette

    What a disaster.

    I’m sorry, you can hate the EU all you want, but the TRUE Episodes 7, 8, and 9 will ALWAYS be the Heir to the Empire trilogy. They should have made them back in the 90’s when the actors were the appropriate age to make it work. Now, it’s far too late.

    I love Star Wars, I’ve been a Star Wars fan since my earliest memories. I don’t remember a time when I WASN’T a fan. But this does not do the story justice. So many things wrong.

    • I don’t hate on the EU, It’s what there was. It’s what MANY people accept as the true sequel trilogy. Heir to the Empire trilogy is such a remarkable work of art. I feel like George Lucas had every intention to start the Sequel Trilogy sometime after wrapping up the PT (and of course there is so much out there that would say otherwise), but i truly feel he was just..destroyed and drained for lack of better words after hearing all the hate spewed from the prequels.

      And now…we’re left with this. Like I said though, I’m not hating entirely on a Sequel Trilogy that isn’t done and i’ve only seen 1/3 of, but compared to the days when it was announced we’d have a ST, my enthusiasm level has dropped significantly.

      • Tyler Frechette

        I totally agree man. Sure, there were some things that were a little ridiculous and probably could have been tweaked (I know most people weren’t a fan of the “clone Luuke” concept). But yup, I feel the same way about your thoughts on Lucas. He got so much crap for it that he just said to hell with it all. And it’s a shame because now the real sequel trilogy will never be realized. This is a poor and embarrassing substitute and I feel that people will end up disliking this trilogy even more than the prequels when all is said and done and the trilogy is complete. My enthusiasm, expectations, support, and passion for this new trilogy has dropped significantly as well. And that’s really sad.

      • Ross

        I think losing the opportunity of scenes with Luke, Leia and Han together again has really damaged what this trilogy could have been. I still say TFA’s legacy will be one last chance of seeing Ford back as Solo.

        • Tyler Frechette

          Yup and any chances of seeing Leia become the Jedi she was supposed to be under Luke’s new Jedi order were also scrapped.

        • Jesus’s Best Friend Floyd

          Just killing Han was the biggest mistake of Ep7. Followed by Deathstar 4.0.

          • Tyler Frechette

            Well you can blame Harrison Ford for that one, as he only agreed to be in the movie if they killed off his character. Starkiller Base was incredibly stupid though, no arguments there. At least don’t have it appear and be destroyed all in one movie. Like what are they going to do now?? They can’t top that. So now the First Order is going to look incredibly weak in the next two movies. Their biggest asset has already been destroyed.

          • localfromiskalon

            Episode IX will have a Starkiller Galaxy.

          • Tyler Frechette

            Haha ridiculous

      • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

        I think people hated on Lucas because for the PT since they knew he was capable of so much more.

        While they trip over themselves congratulating Abrams since he’s like the proverbial two year old who finally gets within bowl of two feet when taking a whiz when making something that has the slightest hint of originality.

        • Tyler Frechette

          TFA is pathetically unoriginal. It’s actually awful. But yeah, I agree.

        • I think the real problem was that Lucas was just so enamored with the ability of CGI at the time that he got lost in it. It was still so new at the time that everyone was just trying to do the coolest things possible and George wanted to be on the forefront of that.
          Maybe it wouldn’t make a difference, but I think if he made the prequels now after the craze of Transformers and everyone tired of insane CGI, maybe it would be abbot more balanced. Maybe not lol but I think that’s why it was what it was.

          He was just coming off the “High” of doing the special editions that he was like “more more more crazy CG!” And everyone was like no…. please, take a breath.

    • Arnold Corso

      I’m torn on this. There’s a lot I really do like about TFA, it’s a fun movie, but the Heir to the Empire trilogy feels like a much fresher and more interesting take on a sequel to Star Wars. It was a logical continuation of the OT (at least as we understood it in the early 90s). I would love to have seen the ST take the Heir to the Empire books as the starting point.

      • Tyler Frechette

        It was stamped BY LUCAS the creator of Star Wars as the “official continuation of the Saga”. Period. Says it right on the books. Countless books, comics, and video games were based off of it. No corporation can ever undo that. If anything, they’re just trying to RE-DO it, except with fan-fiction with an expensive budget. They’re trying to redo the entire post-ROTJ history and it’s failing because they’re making it up as they go along.

        This wasn’t meant to sound like I was blasting you by the way, I just get heated about this haha. It may not sound like it but I’m agreeing with you. TFA was “okay” but it still ranks even BELOW TPM in my book because I really don’t see it as valid.

        • Jesus’s Best Friend Floyd

          Lucas unstamped it when he sold the rights.
          Get over it. Those books are not great, Lando’s “Hot Chocolate”.

          • Tyler Frechette

            I am fully aware that he sold the rights. The issue is that they WERE stamped for nearly TWO DECADES. You can’t just all of a sudden pretend none of it happened and make up your own BS. All of that history, as I said, was established in countless books, comics, and video games. All scrapped. For no apparent reason.

    • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

      Especially since without the TTT, There would be NO Prequel or Sequel trilogy not to mention POTF2 and SW fandom would have died sometime in the mid 90’s or been reduced to cult status. So very disrespectful what they did to it.

      • Tyler Frechette

        Totally agree. The only thing that’s good about this new trilogy so far, in my opinion, is that it’s keeping a generally interest in Star Wars alive.

        • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

          R1 isn’t the OT and never will be but I much prefer more films like that then more saga films. I’m sort of hoping VIII is so horrible that they never considering ruining the legacy of I-VI and stick with spinoffs afterward.

          • Tyler Frechette

            I do want to see this trilogy finished just so it can be laid to rest, but otherwise, I agree. Rogue One was absolutely amazing and I put it up with the OT in terms of best of the films. And they can continue making spinoffs of the Galactic Civil War era (the best era, and everyone knows it) because there’s 19 years between Revenge of the Sith and Rogue One that has only partially been covered by Rebels.

  • Binary_Son

    ‘Winging it’ wouldn’t bother me if there weren’t so many loose threads from TFA that really need to be explained over the course of the next two films. I hope we’re not in Lost territory were things have just been thrown up in the air at the beginning with no-one having any real idea, or the inclination, to answer these in a satisfactory fashion.

    • I feel like Disney and LucasFilm believes that they can fix any discrepancies that may arise with their never-ending “Canon” material rush. They’ll spend the next decade filling in the missing pieces and righting all the wrongs these movies create by releasing more books, comics, cartoons, video games…you name it.

      • Binary_Son

        Absolutely. A Venn diagram showing ‘Sloppy Storytelling’ on one side and ‘Money Making Opportunities’ on the other has this material right in the middle.

      • Tyler Frechette

        Yup… When it was already done with the ORIGINAL EU. Now they’re making up their own EU as they go along. Yeah no thanks I’ll stick to the original history thank you very much.

    • Arnold Corso

      This is exactly my fear. Moreover, these films are being set up as one continuous story, much more so than the OT or even the PT. Empire took place years after ANH, ROTJ months after ESB, etc. There was more time in between the movies to explain away inconsistencies. But TLJ is supposed to take place right after TFA. So inconsistencies like Kylo’s scar moving are really going to be glaring. Moreover, these movies have a much shorter production time than the previous movies (2 years instead of 3), meaning that if the writers can’t come up with good answers to the mysteries they’re in trouble.

      • Tyler Frechette

        And also Rey having enough time to train to actually become a competent Jedi, or whatever they’re calling light-side force wielders these days…

        • That is something that is hard to accept. The time frame. It is SOOOOO hard, and will continue to be, to disregard the fact that this has now become a traditional Sequel picking up where the last left off. That is not Star Wars. We don’t end at the award ceremony and then pick back up in Empire with Han and Luke walking away listening to Chewie roar about not getting a medal.

          I’m still concerned about the Crawl. I know they’ll just do a sort of recap of the situation in a way. saying something like, “After the destruction of Starkiller Base, The First Order plans their assault on the Resistance base.” and then ending with something like, “Rey has finally found Luke Skywalker, waiting to hear what words and wisdom the Jedi has to impart on her….” yay… thanks for explaining everything I just saw.

          • Tyler Frechette

            Yuuuup… Yawn… You know, they could have made almost everyone happy by not discounting that the Thrawn trilogy happened. Like, it would have been okay to do a sequel trilogy this late, and have it act more as a “10, 11, 12”. Meaning that the events in the Thrawn trilogy still happened, this is just AFTER that. And that might have been okay. Like maybe Thrawn survived and went into deep unknown space to help establish the First Order, okay, I can dig it. But scrap it all, and then try to back-fill THIRTY YEARS of history with a bunch of nonsense you pulled out of no where? No. That was all already established. No thanks. I’m not buying into it.

          • shane

            Exactly, I would have loved them keeping the Thrawn trilogy intact and moving on from that. Cause is there anyone that thinks Snoke is a better villain than Thrawn ? I mean come on. Thrawn somehow didn’t die, and I would have loved him as the main villain in this particular timeline. And Mara Jade, and Luke did have an offspring cause SW is about the Skywalkers, period, that just what I would have liked.
            What is Rey ? It better be a very good explanation . Oh but Kylo IS a Skywalker. No he is half a Skywalker and they did nothing with Leia and the Force, oh she could sense this and that…….whatever.
            Remember, Yoda said ” No there is another ”
            That implies Leia was supposed to be a pretty big deal……but…nope.

          • Tyler Frechette

            Absolutely. 100% agree. I don’t think Leia was meant to be just a politician or faction leader. She was supposed to become a critical part of rebuilding the Jedi order.

            In summary… The old canon was better. It had faults, but largely it made much more sense.

          • localfromiskalon

            I just re-read the whole Thrawn triology, Specter of the Past/Vision of the future, Survivor Quest, and the Dark Horse graphic novel of Luke and Mara’s wedding this last year. It was great to re-read all the things that really happened to Luke after RotJ.

          • Tyler Frechette

            Key words: “REALLY HAPPENED”.

            We don’t have to dismiss the EU just because Disney says so. If this entire trilogy flops like I expect it to, I’m just going to pretend it never happened and regard the old EU as still official storyline.

          • localfromiskalon

            Exactly!

    • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

      Sort of genius when you think about it, Since now they can produce a trillion crappy EU novels/comics about said plot holes for decades.

    • Nick Dickens

      That’s my one thing about this kind of story telling that gets in my nerves.

      Do you know two great examples of an epic story that ends well or badly;

      1. LOST – the producers lied through their back teeth about a big master plan. The story ended terribly. People like me figured it out, they’re in a dream, coma, or all dead and in limbo. Oh no said the producers it’s way better than that. Well no it wasn’t. No one gave a toss by the end.

      2. Battlestar Galactica (2003) – the creator and chief creative voice behind the story admitted that their was no big masterplan or epic story like Harry Potter mapped out up front. “We were winging it. We were making it up as we went along. We had no idea how to end it. We just knew after a certain point we had a couple more seasons to come up with the ending.”

      He went on to say he had a year by year plan to map out. But after about 6-7 episodes it got fuzzy so we saw what developed and explored that. He never had an ending in mind at the end but a vague idea of what he wanted to achieve or where it should end.

      The ending may not have pleased some people but it did work and was a perfect ending for the story.

      So for myself. You’re better just ‘winging it’. Historically it works best.

      I believe Ron Moore said at the end that it was only once they started working on the final season he came up with a few definitive ends for the series. They chose the ‘Prisoner’ ending. The one they hoped people would remember and talk about for years after.

  • “I think that one of the misconceptions is that there’s some kind of great corporate overlord that is dictating this story to everybody, and that’s what it’s going to be because that’s going to sell the most toys.”
    Here’s a tip, Mr. Ep. IX Director: quit commenting and make your movie much better than your last one. We’ll worry and complain about the toys.

    • Lol.. yeah, this last movie…the reviews are just soooo horrible. And it’s funny, because I remember reading before it came out how it was supposed to be so amazing and he was so proud of it… and then he spouts out that little tweet. “Be proud of everything you paint, even if Mom doesn’t put it on the fridge”
      And that’s a great mentality, especially for kids. You should be proud of your work..but i mean, don’t take a dump and say “Hey, I’m proud of this even if 99% of the world is not”…

      That little trendy remark isn’t going to fly with Episode IX… He tries to say something like that after screwing up Episode IX (assuming he does), he’ll end up run out of Hollywood

    • Lurker_Jedi_No_More

      Couldn’t agreed more.

    • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

      If Uwe Boll replaced him, I don’t think IX would be any worse. At least he’s honest about being in it for the tax breaks. Plus he would challenge every one on here to a fist fight.

  • JAL

    TFA had MANY things wrong with it even if the characters themselves were enjoyable. If there is no cohesive storyline to explain things, i.e. why Rey can have all these abilities without training, etc., then this is going to get even worse as far as storytelling goes. You can’t just mimic the original trilogy scripts and explain it off as “because”. And if they go the route of a reincarnated Anakin, then i’m done.

    • Part of me suspects that if there is an overall aim of this trilogy it is to somehow bring Vader back as a permanent character going forward. To Disney, Darth Vader = Big $$.

      • Tyler Frechette

        Well, Kylo is a sad and pathetic substitute, to be sure…

        Thrawn would have been a better money-maker than Kylo. Just my opinion.

        • Thrawn would have satisfied a lot of folks, but Vader is disney’s golden goose, and it’s only a matter of time before they come out with some nonsense like a reincarnated, cloned or time-traveling Anakin-turned-Vader to milk the character dry. I hope I’m wrong about this.

          • Tyler Frechette

            You’re probably right, sadly.

      • JAL

        Vader would definitely bring in the cash but they don’t need to bring him back per se. Just do movies that take place after Revenge of the Sith showing him hunting down jedi or some secret mission for the Emperor. Personally, i’d rather see that than the upcoming Han Solo movie.

      • To show that he wasn’t the chosen one, to undermine his redemption and make him eventually irrelevant to the Star Wars timelines. They will unseat Vader with Rey. It’s laughably bad.

        • Tyler Frechette

          To quote Anakin, “You will try…”

    • Yeah, because she has the most ability of all. It is to undermine Anakin’s and Luke’s character by having a female who can do it better. It’s all identity politics, not about a believable or cohesive story. It’s absurd.

  • Eradicator

    Some sort of general structure would probably have been a good idea instead of just making it up as they go. With that said this method probably works out a bit better with Carrie’s sudden demise.

    • Maybe, but the news is that they had basically had the story already and have to start from scratch. So I still believe having a general structure to begin with would’ve been a benefit because they would STILL be in the same position of having to make changes to deal with Carrie.
      I mean, like I said, even just a general structure of the characters and where the story is going would’ve been great. That still would give the directors so much freedom with the writing.
      It’s very similar to how these authors write the Canon books…They give them sort of parameters to stay in and certain things that need to be maintained and then let them make the essential story.

      • Eradicator

        I agree.

  • So… after this trilogy wraps, does GL get to ask for a “favor” and have these episodes re-done as he had envisioned? (kidding, sort of.)

    • Tyler Frechette

      I think all the prequel haters that gave Lucas so much heat are going to regret it when this sequel trilogy ends up being complete trash and infinitely worse than the prequel trilogy.

      • Jesus’s Best Friend Floyd

        There is no way any Episode will be as sloppy and bad as Ep 1-3.
        Rewatch Red Letter Media’s reviews on youtube if you disagree.

        • Tyler Frechette

          I don’t need to watch reviews to have an opinion, nor to be able to distinguish a bad film from a good one. Or a good story from a bad one.

      • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

        That ship has sailed, Tyler. At least we got three good scores out of I-III and mostly decent toys.

      • Joshua Bell

        Actually the majority of Star Wars fans love TFA and are optimistic about episodes 8 and 9.

        • Love is a word I rarely see used to describe TFA.

          • Joshua Bell

            You must be very selective about what websites you visit.Or maybe you only watch reviews about it on the 10th page of youtube.

        • Tyler Frechette

          Bahaha I don’t know what you’re on but it’s some powerful stuff.

  • I think i will hold judgement until there is a second movie out so I can see if those two films felt like part of something more or two disparate pieces only tangentially connected. Hopefully in trying to cap off a trilogy, the heavy lifting is already done so Colin is tying a knot and not trying to add a bunch of complicating elements.

  • shane

    By not having a solid plan ( at least a first but SOLID draft of the entire trilogy ), they are possibly writing themselves in a problematic corner. And I don’t care what anyone says, Lucas did have a very solid draft and changed a few things here and there throughout the trilogy.
    And when you have a great first film that’s easier to change some things.
    Disney didn’t have a great perfect first film so that’s all nonsense philosophy.
    Apples and oranges…big time.
    This news isn’t saying much of anything…..WHATEVER you say Disney and Lucasfilm.

  • Seb

    Did you pessimistic people even read the article??? He said he asked him to “shoot this one extra thing while you’re in this place on this day”, not to re-shoot half the movie, not even a full scene. It could be just something that he wants to use in IX, nowhere does it even say that it is for VIII. Can you calm down and wait to see the movie? And it’s so ridiculous that everyone’s first thought is “they don’t know what they are doing, they don’t have a plan” instead of “the directors are talking to each other, visiting sets and helping each other so that their works are more coherent with each other”. If you want to compare it to the OT that’s even more than what they did back then. Why do you think the beginning of ROTJ feels so clumsy? Because the writers of that movie had no idea how to solve the cliffhangers from TESB and rushed through them in the first 40 minutes of the movie, which feel completely disconnected from the rest of the movie. So be a little more optimistic and wait until the movie comes out, because if the movie comes out and it’s awesome you will realize how much time you wasted on irrelevant things or you will say it sucked just so you can say you were right all along, which is why many people say TFA sucks.

  • darthmo

    I’m pretty sure I read an interview with JJ where he stated their was an over arcing story line or main plot points for everyone to follow. How they get to the end was there decision though.

  • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

    Cool story, Colin (By which I mean the director not the author of this article). But some of the worst corporate offenders in Hollywood today are “creative” types including the executive producer of the ST.

    Just dawned on me that Kathleen Kennedy is like a gender bended, less profane Rick McCallum for this decade. Saying embarrassing cringe worthy sound bites every time someone puts a mic in front of her face.

    At least the incompetent Rickster wasn’t a glorified secretary for most of his career though.

  • Joshua Bell

    I hope Colin doesn’t mess it up with his weird sexist ideals. Smart move on Lucasflm to hire a guy with odd views on women to direct a movie with a female lead.

  • Fiery Little One

    I’ll wait for XI before I decide if this, apparent, ‘winging it’ approach worked or not.

  • Alexander Sheridan

    There is no way that the Sequel Trilogy was not mapped out in advance. Fundamental plot points would have been decided upon prior to TFA and would continue to develop throughout TLJ and conclude in IX. It is a misinterpretation that each director has been given free-reign to move the story in whichever direction they chose. I am sure that they are encouraged to make their mark in terms of style, tone, aesthetic and character development – to some extent, but that is as far as it goes.

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