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The Last Jedi: Talk About The Film Right Here! SPOILERS!!!

The Last Jedi officially opens on December 15th, but most hardcore fans around the world are seeing it on the many earlier screenings as we speak, and for the USA, tonight. If you are itching to discuss what you’ve seen then this is the page for you! We will be bringing you a full review of the movie in a few days (once we’ve had time to fully digest it after a few more viewings) to discuss the technical and analytical aspects of the film, but use this article to release your energy and excitement for the film. Feel free to discuss ANYTHING you want about it! Post your thoughts, comments, reviews, and every spoiler-ridden comment you’ve been dying to scream out from the top of your lungs. Just please keep the discussion friendly and don’t attack others for their views! This is a spoiler-full safe zone! Team JTA is watching the movie RIGHT NOW, but you don’t have to wait for us to get started with the fun!

Warning: Expect every last spoiler from The Last Jedi to be revealed here. You’ve been forewarned!

 

 

 

 

 

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  • TeeKay1138

    Well, i’ll be the first one to say TLJ disappointed. Main reason being misplaced humor. Good moments but, sadly, a forgettable movie in the end.

    • mg1138

      Exactly. It really is forgettable… I was so unimpressed by TLJ… It had its great moments, and the humor helped a lot in fact, even if some was indeed misplaced or just too much, like pretty much every BB-8 gag in the movie… BB-8 driving an AT-ST and killing everybody? Seriously? Come on… Haven’t seen something like that since R2 & 3PO over-the-top adventures in the AOTC droid factory on Geonosis… That was too much!

      • TeeKay1138

        I enjoyed a good part of the humor. From Luke throwing his old saber (though i’d have enjoyed a more emotional take at that scene) to all of Porgs related stuff and even Poe toying with Hux. What really hurt this movie for me was that humor interfered in scenes where important things were at stakes. Snoke hitting Rey’s head with lightsaber hilt or (Force projection) Luke dusting his shoulder after First Order transports fired at him with all they had.
        To me, those moments needed to be handled in a serious manner to build tension. I agree humor is a great part of Star Wars but some seriouness is needed to make you care about the story and characters fates.

    • AllThePowa

      It was more of a survival/detective movie. The movie had balls, I’ll give it that, but you can’t go against star wars chemistry. A plot like that belongs on like clone wars, without the jedi bit.

      I didn’t like these new things he brought in, “Hyperspace tracker”, the force being less about your surroundings and more of a power” Guys. Rey wasn’t the chosen one. Yet apparently her force skill in this movie is beyond Darth Vaders /Anakin. It was like the shining. Powers coming from depression and abuse.

      It’s alomost like he learned nothing from the past movies and books!

  • TorynGlavin

    I sat down to start watching The Last Jedi exactly 24 hours ago here in Dublin and as a result I have had a lot of time to mull the film over! Here are some main points:

    – I think it’s becoming apparent there are two types of Star Wars fans. First there are those who love the original trilogy and see that as “their Star Wars” and have a distaste for everything new which effects their world. Second, there are fans of the franchise, who just love Star Wars. I think the first kind of fan will HATE this movie and I think the rest of us will see at a true triumph!

    – I think that this movie took risks, and it paid off. It did new things. Really scary things, and that is so far past refreshing I don’t have words. I think we’re going to move forward viewing this as one of the best movies in the saga moving forward and we’re going to look back at it as the moment the universe shifted gears and entered a new era. I love the Force Awakens and Rogue One, they’re great, but they are safe Star Wars movies and they play into what we already love. This is new and challenging and gutsy and such a marvel. I love it.

    – I think that Luke was treated so well here. His actions are so understandable and make sense. The guy has had such a tough time and he makes sense as a character. His interaction with Yoda here is going to be one of those truly iconic moments going forward. His death was perfect!

    – LEIA HAS FORCE POWERS! Of course she does, but it’s so cool to see her use them so often. Carrie gave an incredible last performance but I am somewhat surprised by her survival? How do we move on for this?

    – Not enough was done about Han’s death here. It should have been addressed better. Also ACKBAR IS DEAD ?? This hit me really hard.

    – Holdo is an incredibly fascinating character and I need more of her. She’s brave and fierce and good but she doesn’t need you to like her. She needs to do her job. A new iconic character and I can not wait to get this figure. A beautiful new Star Wars design.

    – WHY DOES EVERYONE TREAT THE PHASMA CHARACTER SO BADLY IN FILM ? Her novel was great, but two films in a row now she’s been badly handled. It’s not fair on a character with such potential. Really disappointing.

    – Snoke dying in such a brutal and unexpected manner? What the hell? One of those Star Wars moments which will live with us all for a long time. The “no,I am your father” of this trilogy.

    – Rose is a breath of fresh air. What a CHARACTER! She will go far!

    – Maz and DJ where both just like ?? Why are you even in this movie ??

    – Lieutenant Connix and Paige were really welcome additions to the universe I felt! Glad Billie Lourd had more to do here than in TFA. She really rose to the occasion!

    – 9.5/10 – Incredible movie. But it will take a hit from some fans who can’t be open minded enough to move with the story!

    • Roboante Signorina

      Rose died.

      • TorynGlavin

        I don”t remember that being the case at all ? I’m seeing it again on Sunday but ….. I really don’t think so ?? She was unconscious on the Falcon in the last scene from my memory ??

        • mg1138

          Yeah she’s there in the Falcon, you can be sure she’ll be in Ep9!

          • TorynGlavin

            Well I mean we could have said the same about Finn after TFA ? I think it’s really safe to assume she will !!

          • mg1138

            Right! So true since she really is a Finn n°2 character… By the way, did we really need another one seriously?

          • TeeKay1138

            Well, Finn needed a romance partner since Rey was clearly not going to be it.

          • TorynGlavin

            I actually really like Rose ! I think she contributes a lot to the heart of the movie and our understanding of what the Resistance stands for !! DJ tho ?? Just, what was he doing in there ?? Waste of time !!

          • MicroCapo

            Let’s see….. Dj got them out of prison, dj stole a ship to get them off the planet and onto snokes ship, and dj had one of the most memorable lines in the entire movie when he was showing finn and rose there were no good guys and no bad guys, explaining don’t choose sides and live free. DJ was a fantastic character and played a pivotal role in the film.

          • mg1138

            Come on, who needs a love interest with the beautiful female Jedi hero when you already have such a powerful bromance like Finn & Poe, quite dumb but real fun bromance to watch in TFA!

          • Billy Brannan

            Poe hit on Rey at the end, so mostly likely in the next movie, they end up the new han and leia

          • TeeKay1138

            I can see that happen even though they could avoid this path as it would be far more predictable.

          • zx_spectrum_30

            Proper “how you doin’”

      • Funtomaz

        She most certainly did not. She passed out.

        • Roboante Signorina

          yes, sorry guys, she indeed was passed out in the falcon at the end of the movie. my bad.

    • Arm3nch Tripplehorn

      I love your thinking way. I agree with the most of the points you’ve presented, in fact, all of them.

    • mg1138

      Totally agree with every point from your list! But then I must say I belong in the first type of SW fan you’re describing quite well… I gladly admit the movie is full of newness and bold new risky choices… And that’s very good since everybody was expecting an ESB and/or ROTJ rehash! But, for me, what I saw is too different from my little own private head-canon and my intimate vision of what SW should be… I mostly liked it, but a big part of me is still not considering it like true SW…

      • TorynGlavin

        But ya know ? That’s super okay !! I think those who were lucky enough to grow up with the OT will never really love new Star Wars. It can’t beat their nostalgia and their memories. Both types of fans are just as valid and we all belong in this Star Wars community !!

        • mg1138

          So true! But in fact, I may be an hybrid between categories, as I am 30, so I didn’t see the OT in theaters in its first run, but I was 10 when I saw the Special Edition on the big screen, that was so cool, and then a few years later came the PT! I was young enough to be fully open to the controversial newness brought by Episodes I, II & III, and now I can say I embrace them in my global vision of what is SW… So I’m not an OT purist only… Just not fully convinced by the ST… yet! 😉

          • TorynGlavin

            I like the yet 😉 Give it time my friend, I really see this growing on people !!

          • mg1138

            Yes, we’ll have to, as more never-before-seen newness is on the way for at least the coming decade! I wonder if those Canto Bight kids, and notably the one that seems Force-sensitive, will be at the center of the planned Rian Johnson Trilogy… Anyway, when I see this end with those little rascals, for me it looks more like Hunger Games/Divergent or Harry Potter or whatever modern young adult franchise… but looks less and less like SW… But I still have hope!

          • It’s totally lame how it ended on essentially extras.

          • Caius

            All that final scene did for me was remind and confirm that I had just watched a Disney movie. Hated that ending

          • Andrew R

            I was a little put off by the ending as well, but I think the intent was to drive home that Rey’s parents really were nobodies. If this kid can use the force without special parentage, why not Rey?

          • Brux Macoy

            We belong to the same “era” of fans. I’m 31, and my feelings towards SW are pretty much the same. I discovered the OT through the Special Editions and then the PT was incorporated to the universe.

        • Billy Brannan

          After the 2 Disney movies, the prequels dont look so bad, Empire Strikes back was the best of the OT, Revenge of the Sith which i thought was a great movie and easily the best of the prequels, then out of the 3 disney efforts, for me Rogue One is far better than the 2 actual ‘Star Wars’ movies, maybe Disney should have stuck to making stand alone’s

          • Funtomaz

            Yes, I think RO is the better overall movie. It doesn’t treat its characters as jokes, it has more gravitas and all the various deaths actually mean something.

          • Yeah, Luke really was a comedian in this one.

          • Tyler Frechette

            I agree. Definitely like RO the best of all the new films.

    • TeeKay1138

      You are dealing in absolutes there. To me there are a lot more than two camps here. Take me, until yesterday i’ve always found more reasons to enjoy a Star Wars movies than i’ve found reasons to complain about it. I enjoyed the prequels even though i could see where part of it felt out of place. I enjoyed TFA even though i could see where people that disliked it or even hated it were coming from. With TLJ, to my greatest regret, i feel like i crossed this line and find myself having more to reprove than i have to enjoy. Believe me, it is hard to admit, i wish i could have come out of that showing feeling satisfaction but i did not. Don’t get me wrong, there is a lot to love in TLJ but, in the end, it seems i’am unable to find the reward lots of fans seemingly found. Not ready to abandon hope just yet as i’ve programmed a few more viewings though. Crossing fingers i’ll find more reasons to rejoice and eventually see the light instead of this big blur that’s TLJ to me right now.

      • mg1138

        My feelings exactly! Well said!

      • TorynGlavin

        I think this movie is gutsy and we’re going to see absolutes. We’re already seeing it. People will love it or hate it, but that’s okay ?? I really hope repeat viewings help people love this movie. I think there’s lots to love !! Enjoy !! 😉

      • CadeSky

        I think I really have a lot of the same feelings as you right now. I’m going back on Monday, so we’ll see how things hold up after a repeat viewing.

    • Big Al

      Finally a sensible review…. I’m more of those second type fan (even though I share my brethrens hate on the Prequels except ROTS for some reason) and I think TLJ was doing bold things and taking Star Wars to an unknown storytelling region. Outlandish yet familiar. Familiar yet outlandish as well. One thing I’ll say that it’s disregarding the previous trilogies is that some of the camera work is… weird (except for the space battles, they are perfect). It made TLJ feels not Stat Wars-y enough. Aside from that, it was brilliant.

      • TorynGlavin

        I’m glad you find me sensible! Few do ha ha ha ha. I agree the camera work and some of the flashback scenes or creative decisions were not very Star Wars and that scared me. I’ll have to see how I feel on a 2nd viewing I think!

    • Darth Maleval

      I kind of forgot about Ackbar, that’s sad now that I think about it. I also agree about Phasma, her character never really gets to take off, just really gets punked out two movies in a row. Good points raised overall, nice review!

      • CadeSky

        Sad about Ackbar 🙁

        Before TFA, I really got suckered into thinking Phasma would be cool. Then TFA happened. A couple of years go by and I still wanted to like the character. I thought the novel was cool, the comics okay, and then she shows up in TLJ with absolutely no explanation for how she got out of the last movie alive (I guess they’re making it so that you now HAVE to read the comics that come out between movies lol?)…and Phasma is still just useless, really. Was hoping you’d finally get to see her sans helmet….more than just an eye through a destroyed helmet.

        • Darth Maleval

          Not unlike C-3PO’s red arm in the last movie. Never really explained in the movie, by the end of the movie he had his gold arm back again. Multimedia these days can expand on stories a lot easier now than back in the day.

          • CadeSky

            Yeah, I guess my comments were kind of knee-jerk. I own a majority of SW comics ever published, but I think I was just imagining what it would be like to be a more casual fan. Don’t you think some people would see Phasma here and say “hey, how’d she survive the Starkiller trash compactor?”

            By the way, I really liked that 3PO comic that explained the red arm!

          • Seronious

            Phasma is the biggest waste of a character… but i’m glad she’s dead. She’s the Jar Jar Binks of the trilogy.

            Overall, I liked the film. It’s miles ahead of the Force Awakens.

          • More like Fett considering her death was equally pointless.

          • dogbite

            Imagine trying to explain to a casual fan how they continue to steer a cruiser for most of the rest of the movie when the (completely unprotected?) bridge was just wiped out…

          • zx_spectrum_30

            Battle bridge…JJ lent them that idea from Star Trek 😉

          • dogbite

            Also the idea of unshielded command centres? 😛

          • zx_spectrum_30

            Bridges have always been a vulnerability…remember The Executor was taken out by a starfighter crashing into the bridge.

            Daft, but consistant.

        • dogbite

          Hahah I’m not convinced she won’t somehow be back for Ep IX 😛

          • TorynGlavin

            Wow I hope they don’t do that !!

          • Captain America Trooper

            LOL. Falling into a pit of fire totally reminded me of the Pit of Carkoon.

          • CadeSky

            Yeah, I had that same fear as I watched her fall into the flames. She could be back still lol…

      • TorynGlavin

        Thanks! Yeah I was kinda surprised Ackbar wasn’t given a bigger send off? and Phasma has been wasted! Shame on JJ and Rian here!

    • Superflukullus

      Having Leia fly in space was stupid.

      • ctwins3688

        This isn’t meant as a slight to Carrie Fisher, and her performance in TLJ was great, but I felt like that would have been a perfect/ surprising/ impactful way to kill Leia off and leave us with the all new cast in the final movie

        • CadeSky

          I feel that way too. It would have just been shocking and that would have worked.

        • General Hux

          Episode IX was supposed to Leia’s movie (According to Mark Hamill). Remember, that near death scene was obviously filmed before Carrie passed. They weren’t going to reshoot those scenes just for the sake of killing Leia.

          • ctwins3688

            Completely agree, we’re on the same page there- I’m saying regardless of her passing in real life, that was the time to kill her character off in my opinion. Meaning that’s what should have been in the original screenplay.

          • General Hux

            Ah, I get what you mean now.

          • Darth Maleval

            Then we would have missed that whole scene between Luke and Leia at the end. You can see she is somewhat passing the torch to Poe near the end, but she still needed to be there. Hopefully, they will handle it well in the next episode.

        • zx_spectrum_30

          Must confess I’d assumed that was “the moment”, real surprise to see her get back onboard and be there at the end.

          Great use of Leia in TLJ, one of the real highpoints for me.

      • Demian Deschepper

        Yes exactly, and perhaps most frustrating is that it really wasn’t necessary.

        • General Hux

          We saw Leia use the Force for the first time. Seems pretty necessary to me.

      • Dumbest thing in any SW medium period. Nothing comes close.

        • Aric

          Agreed, absurd. At first I figured this is how they were gonna kill her off cause she died in real life, and she still makes it!!

        • Kinetic_Koala

          Dare I remind you of lightsaber-copters from ‘Rebels’?

      • bobcat

        haha. ya that was cheese. i felt the same way..it just looked really stupid!

      • Tyler Frechette

        I agree. I would have preferred to see her wielding a lightsaber. It was nuts, but space would definitely kill you. That’s not how it works haha

        • Darth Maleval

          I looked up an article about being exposed in space. It would not instantly kill you. We’ll have to assume someone with Force abilities could keep the outside forces at bay while being exposed.
          If Luke can project himself across the galaxy and Snoke can influence minds from across the galaxy….I have no problem with Leia being able to protect herself in the vacuum of space.

          • Tyler Frechette

            Fair enough. It was definitely time to see her use the Force though for sure.

    • I’m probably going to be in the minority here, but I loved how Snoke died. He was completely duped and it was a complete surprise to me. They could have very easily kept him alive for another showdown in the next film. Nope, it’s done and out of the way and moving on.

      • Chuck! YES! I was so shocked by it…like I kept saying to myself “No way that is going to work,,,,he’s going to notice this…” Bold decision.

        • Jimmy Griffin

          Yes.

        • Even when the blade went through him I thought he was going to survive. When it was pulled through him and he fell apart, that was pretty jaw dropping. I was shocked.

          • I was waiting for some type of hologram trick where Snoke was like “I told you, I see your mind. I knew you were going to try to kill me and now blah blah blah” But then, yeah…as he fell apart as you said…That was shocking to say the least.

          • TorynGlavin

            He didn’t look to be in too much pain when it first happened so I genuinely expected a “you think a lightsaber can kill ME?” thing and for him to be fine and laugh it off. The falling apart in pieces was just so brutal. I loved it!

          • RumSleg

            This is where Spider-Maul comes back to bite them. Maul survived being cut in two. Lightsabers cauterize wounds, so Snoke didn’t bleed out. Why did he seem to die instantly? Makes sense in the real world, but I’ve been trained to expect Star Wars characters to survive this!

      • Jimmy Griffin

        I like the fact that he died, and I like how he died.

        • One of the things that REALLY makes me glad Snoke is dead is seeing how Kylo will handle the First Order now. We got a little taste of how it will be with Hux, but it’s going to be interesting for sure.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            He and Rey are going to have to carry the next one, it’ll be really interesting to see where they go from here.

          • I definitely feel like they’ll utilize Luke as a Force Ghost. Especially after the novel stuff they had put out about him learning how to do it and such. But yes, Rey and Kylo will be carrying the majority of the film.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Which novel was that?

          • I’ll get back to you on which one exactly. I think it was the same one where he learns about “The Tide”

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Yeah, please let me know, because I think I missed that one.

          • General Hux

            I was happy to see that I didn’t die in this one. #LongLiveHux

          • Jason Attewell

            You got ridiculed and bashed though…

          • General Hux

            Yeah, I was not happy with how Hux was utilized at times in this one…

          • Jason Attewell

            Sure I’ll hold

          • Rsanc

            But it was cool how Kylo used the force to cut him in half

          • Aric

            You looked pretty sickly in the beginning of the movie.

          • General Hux

            Sleep deprived. Happens to the best of us.

          • Jason Attewell

            Pasty even

          • Tyler Frechette

            I agree!! I was like… he looks so much older and, I dunno… sick… or something. Not at all how I remembered him from TFA.

          • Captain America Trooper

            You got seriously plunked out though. Almost comic relief, which is kind of a shame.

          • General Hux

            I’m getting punked out in these comments too. 🙂 (just joking)

          • Captain America Trooper

            Hahaha, never bro. Too funny.

          • David Harrison

            No offence dude but you were terrible in this……

          • General Hux

            I was even disappointed in Hux. Believe me. LOL

          • Captain America Trooper

            I loved the reaction of the shuttle pilot.

          • Tyler Frechette

            Agreed that was hilarious

          • Captain America Trooper

            I laughed embarrassingly loud.

        • Jason Attewell

          Me too Jimmy. Death to Snoke!

      • RumSleg

        I don’t think you’ll be in the minority at all with that opinion. That was one of the great moments in the film, hard to dispute that.

      • CadeSky

        I was surprised and glad. Honestly, it kind of confirmed for me that Snoke wasn’t really the biggest threat. And beyond just personal feelings about not liking Snoke, it was cool that the movie defied expectations a bit. They really got me with Finn, for example. I was sure he was about to die before Rose knocked his speeder out of the way.

        • Yes…so was I. I was saying, “Wow, Rian Johnson really is just going balls to the walls. No one is safe”

        • bobcat

          ya, i was thinking it was over for him too but they threw us for a loop on that one…i liked this movie. it has a good story. i will go see it again…

      • zx_spectrum_30

        Agreed – a real surprise but too often films drag a character on past their ‘use by date’ so really brave to kill off Snoke at this point.

      • I always hated Snoke so that was a highlight for me. We also never seen any character die that way and the guard battle was easily the best in the film.

        • Caius

          Darth Maul was also split in two bu saber. First thing I thought of when it happened. Only diff is Maul didnt end up dying (maybe Snoke won’t either??)

        • Tyler Frechette

          This makes me think he’s not dead. See: Darth Maul…

      • bobcat

        im happy he was xxxxx off half way thru this one. the whole emporer II thing never really worked for me plus calling him ”supreme leader” sounds really ghey! :S haha im thinking Rian Johnson might of thought the same about emporer II and knocked him off 🙂 it was a little touch and go in some parts but over all i liked this movie quite a bit. it has a decent story and thats more important then anything else to me. Now im going to find PAULS comments about this. haha 🙂

      • TorynGlavin

        I agree !!It was unexpected and shocking and COOL !! I think it was a risk but one which paid off and left Kylo as the big bad (that’s the one part I’m still a bit iffy on, he’s just not that scary). It’s unlike anything we’ve seen before and that’s refreshing !!

      • Rivesjunctionite

        I loved his death too. The movie had my psyched out about Kylo’s fate. Going in, I thought for sure that Luke, Rey, or Kylo were going to flip sides. I thought that would be the ultimate surprise, since we’ve never seen that in a SW film before. (Plus the commercials made it look like Rey flipped, so I figured it would be the opposite.) Then Kylo starts going on about reigning the galaxy, and I realized they fooled me again! 😀

        • Tyler Frechette

          I really thought Kylo would turn. Never once for a second did I think Rey would. She’s too Goodie two-shoes.

          • Rivesjunctionite

            Come on, she’s an abused former slave, sold out by her parents to feed their addictions. She’s a Sith lord just waiting to snap.

          • Tyler Frechette

            She’s Disney’s new “hero”. They would never.

          • Rivesjunctionite

            But I could at least see HOW she could turn. Also her Jedi “teacher” basically treated her like crap. She could totally do a “screw the Jedi,” and join Kylo.

          • Tyler Frechette

            True but I think this outcome is HIGHLY unlikely. Disney doesn’t do dark endings… With the exception of Rogue One but that was still technically a victory for the good guys

      • Tyler Frechette

        Ehhhh I dunno though. I was left wondering “but… is he truly dead?” We have seen people be cut in half and live before… Maul comes to mind. I saw Kylo and Rey teaming up coming, but I thought it would be to kill him in the third movie. I did not see his death coming in this one, and Kylo being the ultimate baddie. Very interesting. I did see Luke’s death coming though.

      • shane

        Agreed, I thought that was great because of how utterly unexpected it was. I also thought he was a pretty good villain for the brief time he actually was a character.

    • ARC-77

      I liked how they got rid of Snoke, it makes room for Kylo who is a much more compelling villain.

    • kingsnead412

      I fall under the category of fans who just love Star Wars. I find the PT to have some good ideas but overall were really bad. The OT in my opinion is perfect. Sorry Ewok haters. I actually find it messed up for any so called fan to nitpick the OT (to each their own though). I loved TFA and thought it was appropiate for it to draw parallels to ANH. Rogue One was awesome. But TLJ was mind blowingly AMAZING!!! I enjoyed every second of it and really believe it is taking the universe in a great direction.

      • TorynGlavin

        I think we’re heading now in a fantastic direction and I.m really excited to see what comes next! Absolutely FANTASTIC movie!

        • Stefanie Buchmann

          Are you high? Did you watch the movie at all?

      • Rivesjunctionite

        YES. 100% yes.

    • Caleb Amos

      This movie was incredible. It really truly had that star wars feel. It was complete! And i left the theater feeling completely satisfied, honestly unlike the force awakens. Snokes death was… Killer! Badumts. No but I was shocked and way impressed. The apprentice became the master. I like the Praetorian guards in a silly Kung Fu type way, and the execution style kills were pretty slick.
      My one and only qualm is that Finn still is pointless hahaha. When he was about to ram the gun I was like kinda rooting for him to do it lol. Is that bad of me? Leia using the force was a gem. Luke and yodas conversation was sincere. And unlike maro Hamill I completely love the way Rian took like Skywalker. Amazing movie. 9-9.5/10

      • zx_spectrum_30

        Thought Finn was much better this time around but was rooting for Finn to ram the gun too.

      • They also made him a coward as well but at least he finally killed a minor character.

      • TorynGlavin

        I agree I really wanted Finn to go from someone who was just following Rey like a lost puppy to someone who believed so strongly in the Hesitance’s work that he would give his life. I’m not sure how I feel that he survives? It’s an interesting one for me!

    • It was better than TFA and was not as much of a ripoff of Empire as TFA was of ANH though to be fair it did steal from ROTJ and ROTS too.

      But I don’t get this being hailed as the best since Empire at all. Probably better than TPM and AOTC but nowhere near the OT or R1’s class.

      There were also many parts where you had to suspend all disbelief like flying Leia which is the dumbest thing in any SW film ever made.

    • Mbraze

      I’m glad you liked it, personally I couldn’t get on board with it, but I really don’t agree with your statement “there are those who love the original trilogy and see that as “their Star Wars” and have a distaste for everything new which effects their world.”

      I love the OT, I love the prequels, I love the Clone Wars, I love Rebels, I love the old EU, I love the games, I’ve collected over 1,500 figures over 20 years with my brother. I don’t have a distaste for “new”. I like new. I have bought a whole load of ST merchandise, I like a lot of the new designs. What I don’t like is this whole trend of off the wall random humour that seems to be growing in every franchise, undercutting any emotional weight in the movie. That’s a problem for me.

      Another problem is bad writing that’s not thought of anything. Having a problem getting my head around what the state of the galaxy is with the FO and Resistance doesn’t mean I just hate the film for no reason. People that have issues connecting the lore together shouldn’t just be labelled “haters” and you shouldn’t just ignore clear issues BECAUSE STAR WARS.

      • CadeSky

        I feel like we have to blame the success of the Marvel movie formula for this kind of humor that you’re mentioning.

    • Andrew R

      I found myself holding on to the fact that Ackbar died too for longer than I expected. Those early moments in the film were rough.

    • kingsnead412

      Completely agree. I give the movie 10/10 though. I loved every second of it. They handled every character appropiately. Humor was great. Story was great. I could honestly keep gushing over it. Def going to see this at least 2 more times in the next week. Only negative of this movie is the butthurt OT fans who cant quit hating yet couldnt actually think of anything better. Its sad cause as a fan for roughly 25 years I am drawn to sites like this in hopes of finding like minded people. But then I read comment after comment of hate which as far as I am concerned is unwarranted. It all comes down to those who have preconceived ideas for how they want it to go and when it doesnt they cant open their tiny minds enough to accept something new or different. The movie is definitively great. Haters can hate but still a masterpiece. And TFA is great as well and completely right to have parallels to ANH. Sorry to those who disagree but fact is only 1-3 are bad. They did have some good ideas though. Anyway great review TorynGlavin!!!

  • Billy Brannan

    Didnt like it at all, i was actually bored and wanted it to just hurry up and get to the end

    • mic windu

      What I’m liking about the Disney era film’s is that they aren’t black and white, I don’t see Kylo as the bad guy, I see him WANTING to be the bad guy but can’t and Driver plays that conflict really well.

      • Darth Maleval

        This is about how I feel about Kylo Ren. He is not Darth Vader level bad guy. I think he plays the part pretty well. His character is divided, he throws tantrums, short temper, etc… I don’t see him as the ‘bad guy’ of the film at all.

        • ctwins3688

          Completely agree- the fact that he’s so flawed is what makes him unique and enjoyable for me. I actually find myself wanting him to pull it off and be the true bad guy in the final film

      • dogbite

        Was disappointed with his character development Throne room onward.

        • mic windu

          Fair does, when they joined to take out the guards I hoped that was a turning point and they would stick together but that didn’t last long!

  • Shoretrooper

    Really didn’t like it.

    There are some visually brilliant sequences (Crait, Holdo jumping through Snokes ship at lightspeed), but The Last Jedi is a deeply flawed film. It ignores a huge amount of the status quo set up by The Force Awakens; doesn’t know what to do with a number of characters (Finn, Leia), and completely botches others (Luke – horrible take on the character; Hux – a snivelling incompetent fool, nothing like the foil to Ren he was in TFA); has one of the worst story arcs / sequences of any film (not just Star Wars film) I’ve ever seen (the entire Canto Bight sequence); and has far too much forced comedy that ruins several key, potentially dramatic and emotional moments (Luke dusting himself off after stepping out the smoke; Snokes corpse flopping around). The ending was atrocious.

    Never have I sat through a Star Wars film thinking “no I don’t want this” (poes stupid dialogue with hux, porgs, fish nuns, milking a weird snout creature, Luke’s death, Luke not wielding his green saber on Crait, EVERYTHING on Canto Bight, DJs nothingness, Snokes stupid demise, that awful awful ending) as much as I did with The Last Jedi. Deeply disappointed.

    • TeeKay1138

      The way you put it is very harsh but i do share a lot of your criticism, not all of it but a good part of it definitely.

    • Billy Brannan

      Pretty much sums it up, plus more holes than a hookers fishnets

      Who is Snoke, where did he come from
      Who and what are the knights of Ren
      Reys parents are alcoholic nobodies
      Luke turns his father only to become, a suicidal depressed recluse
      And the worst part for me, casting Adam Driver as the main bad guy, he is a terrible actor.

      • TeeKay1138

        To be fair, we have to remember that the Emperor was thrown into a shaft at the end of ROTJ and we’ve had to wait for 15 years to really learn about him.
        This being said, the way TFA and early scenes of TLJ (Force throwing Hux via holographic transmission) built Snoke as the ultimate threat only to have him sliced in half the way he was is just as anticlimatic as it can get.

        • Billy Brannan

          So we went from Sidious and Vader to Snoke and Ren, and in the end Luke seemed more terrified of Ren than he ever was from Vader, totally unbelievable

          • mic windu

            or was it because he knew Sidious and Vader ever being bad, but he saw Kylo as a fond young nephew from good parents on the side of good and justice, with the potential to restart the Jedi order and it terrified him that he saw a dark path for him?

          • TeeKay1138

            OT Luke was young and naïve in a sense. Old Luke is a lot wiser and appreciates Ben’s threat with much more care. Just like in real life. When in teen years one will get involved in dangerous situations treating them as a challenge while becoming parents they’ll fear their children behavior perfectly aware of what trouble they could get in by experience.

      • Jawa_Fetish

        Forget Star Wars, more hooker talk!

    • mg1138

      I totally agree with the “no I don’t want this” factor, it happened to me many times during the whole movie… Already saw it 2 times wenesday, I may see it again 2 or 3 times in order to share it with family and friends who haven’t seen it yet… But I’m not super-excited like I was for Episode 7 (which by coincidence I saw 7 times in theaters, despite its many, many flaws) and Rogue One (which I loved so much, saw it 8 times on the big screen, mostly for the Scarif battle)… TFA was already not my favourite, but now TLJ is even lower, didn’t see it coming…

  • Darth Your Mom

    Luke’s character arc was sad in that he failed at EVERYTHING after ROTJ. New Jedi order, saving his students, saving his nephew, killing his nephew, helping defeat the First Order… everything.

    Rey’s parents are nobodies? Unbelievable!

    Snoke’s death was pretty lame. Phasma was a total throw away character.

    All the subplots besides Reylo are dead. JJ doesn’t have much to work with for 9.

    • Funtomaz

      It’s the fundamental flaw of the sequel trilogy. It invalidates everything that was accomplished in the OT. All the heroes turn out to be failures in life.

    • Darth Maleval

      I wouldn’t be so sure that Snoke’s story is done. It would seem a really big plot hole not to have some explanation about who he is and where he came from.
      Also, the jedi books were on the Falcon at the end (as well as the little kid later one) these are setting up the New Jedi Order…or whatever it will become.

      Also, I don’t think it is necessary for Rey to have famous or well known parents. I think that would have been all too easy. I’m fine with having them be nobodies.

      • Funtomaz

        Star Wars has adopted the DLC approach for movies. You want to learn more? Buy this book! Read this comic! I bet there’ll be a “Snoke” book soon. Also, we never learned anything about Palpatine in the OT.

        • Darth Maleval

          It’s true, they embellish the story that way. Every character was new to us back in the OT, don’t know what kind of explanation Palpatine needed. He was the leader of the Imperials and Vader’s Master. At the time I wasn’t wondering about his backstory or why is character was there.
          Now that we know more about the Universe and how the force works….Snoke’s appearance just entertains a lot of questions.

        • CadeSky

          Hard not to see that being the case, but for me part of the fun is the fact that there is so much more than “just movies” with SW. The Leia book that came out on Force Friday (which was actually a young adult book) actually was a great source of information about Holdo and Crait. I’m really glad I got to listen to that audiobook before seeing TLJ.

  • Josuethefanboy_7

    I can’t wait to see Boba Fett again!.

  • AllThePowa

    I hate what they did with the force. I hate what happened to luke.

    • mg1138

      I didn’t fully hate it, but surely it was not what I was expecting/imagining/wishing to see in a Star Wars movie.

    • AllThePowa

      Anyone realise how Rian Johnson basically made the force, the shining? (The power, not the movie)

    • Funtomaz

      What Johnson did with the Force is not all bad, I think.
      Before, our heroes were mostly chosen ones or offsprings of chosen ones. Or some Jedi who train rigorously for years to master the Force the way the Jedi see it.
      Johnson liberates the Force. He shows that anyone, anywhere can be a Force user. A complete no one from some backwater planet, a stable boy on Canto Bight.
      It is somewhat perplexing that Force users apparently don’t need any training anymore to perform various feats. Maybe the knowledge flows through the Force and you just discover it as you establish a stronger connection? You don’t need an insitutionalized monk order to become a Force user. Being a Jedi no longer means you have to be in that order, it’s a state of being. This is how I understand it, at least.
      Also, the Jedi, as an order, have failed. Completely. Miserably. So it’s clear that something new will come in the sequels.

      • AllThePowa

        I had no problem with the boy at the end of the movie, Just the idea that someone with the most powerful force abilities has been basically out ‘midichlorianed’ by a girl that’s not considered the chosen one (which i thought the chosen one wasn’t a good story in the first place, but made a nice touch)

      • I liked how Luke mentioned Darth Sidious.

        • Tyler Frechette

          I really like that too. Particularly because he’s almost never referred to as that, but instead Palpatine or The Emperor.

  • mic windu

    I’d like to see a spin off of Luke and Ben starting the jedi academy (wouldn’t need Han or Leia) and we could see Luke at the height of success, explain Snoke seduction and back ground.

    Where do you think ep9 will pick up? I think the only way round explaining Leias absence would be a time jump of 5-10 years, in that time first order and resistance having been battling out trying to get control, along the way we loose Leia…plus it gives time for the resistance to build up numbers again

    • AllThePowa

      Every single character that needed to be built up and have their final detail discovered has been closed off practically. Except Snoke, but apparently that doesn’t matter. Rian was trying to unfold J.j.’s work and put in news paper letters.

    • TeeKay1138

      The way TFA ended, Johnson had no choice but taking things right where Abrams left them. Now with TLJ, episode IX could start pretty much anywhere in time. Wondering what’s left to Abrams to work with as things stand though.

      • mic windu

        Perhaps it’s professional payback 🙂

        • TeeKay1138

          Haha. You’re right. It almost feels like Johnson told Abrams. “See, you cornered me with the end of TFA. Now, i killed of Phasma, Snoke and Luke, try and get something out of a dozen resistance soldiers led by an untrained force user to face an evil duet unable to work their way together to galactic domination”.

          • Jawa_Fetish

            He’ll probably just bring back Palpatine.

          • Funtomaz

            Or Snoke’s twin brother who pulled all the strings from the Unknown Regions! Who knows! Anything is possible! 😀

          • Jawa_Fetish

            Force ghost Luke vs Force ghost Palps (and a Force ghost Anakin)! Star Wars: Rise of the Force Ghost Army

          • Funtomaz

            What bugs me is that it makes no sense that we haven’t seen either spirit Obi-Wan or Anakin. Why don’t they heckle Kylo 24 hours a day? They could work in shifts! Yoda, Obi and Anakin. A perfect trio! 😀

        • Funtomaz

          Rian Johnson does JJ no favors at all… he completely dismantled his mystery box approach and the solutions are either mundane or simply non-existing.
          Rey is a no one, Snoke is completely irrelevant. Take that JJ! 😉
          Also, it was a mistake, in my opinion, not to kill off Leia. The movie have quite a few good opportunities to change the story after Carrie Fisher’s untimely death.
          Now JJ has to come up with some hackneyed solution as to why Leia suddenly no longer plays a part in Ep IX.

          • dogbite

            I wouldn’t be so quick to trust what we saw as concrete truth…

          • bobcat

            people die all the time. she had a stroke from Lukes death..who the heck knows. not that hard to make someone die in a story.

          • mic windu

            Ironically they had the perfect opportunity when her ship was attacked but they brought her back (and not Ackbar!!!) They already had Holdo and Poe set up as replacements. JJ does have a tough job a head.

  • mic windu

    I hope we can all universally agree that the Luke and R2 moment on the falcon ‘cheap trick’ was one of the most touching moments from the whole saga

    • TeeKay1138

      Maybe my top 1 scene. And before anyone start telling me enjoying those nostalgic moments makes me imune to evolutions in Star Wars couldn’t be more wrong. I’m all for the new movies to build deep enough scenes and characters i can care as much about in 40 years than i do with Luke and R2. Right now, my feelings tell me they are not going in the right direction.

    • Darth Maleval

      That was good! A similar type scene was the one where Luke handed Leia the dice from the Falcon, both good moments.

    • The most Artoo has done in the ST sadly.

      • mic windu

        Ah I know, I don’t understand why he is so under used (he is the story teller!!) I accepted his standby mode in tfa and had hoped he would be more prominent in this one but I think 3PO had more dialogue!

  • Jawa_Fetish

    I have a bad feeling about this.

  • Funtomaz

    Here’s my take…
    First of all… I read spoilers on Sunday. I’m that kind of person 😀 Which gave me the advantage to process a few things before I went to see the movie Thursday morning.

    In my opinion everything boils down to this…
    Can you let go of the past or can’t you?

    To me, the one fundamental flaw of the entire sequel trilogy is that it has the exact same premise and overall setting as the original trilogy.
    The sequels are a kind of soft reboot which honors the original movies, everything that happened in the OT still happened… but in quite a few ways the sequels invalidate the original trilogy, especially the ending and as it turns out, all our heroes are more or less complete failures.
    Your enjoyment of TLJ, the entire sequel trilogy, hinges on the fact if you can let the past be the past, put the OT away in a drawer, while watching the new movies.

    On its own TLJ is a good movie, not great, not perfect, far from it, but it has more good than bad things and even a few surprises.
    What works for me, and what makes this movie, as a whole, enjoyable are the main characters Kylo, Rey and especially Luke who among them have the most screentime, fortunately.
    Kylo is an ambigous character and I think he turned out to be the most interesting character in the sequel trilogy. Rey is much improved and her interactions with Luke are entertaining. Luke is great. But with one caveat, you really have to accept Rian Johnson’s vision for Luke or else you will be annoyed throughout the entire movie. Mark Hamill does a great job with what he’s given.

    What doesn’t work and what really makes me sad at times are quite a few details.
    Quite a few formerly essential characters (Chewie, the droids) are reduced to bit players. Some of the new villains are reduced to either a complete joke (Hux) or a total waste of time (Phasma).
    And then Snoke… either Rian Johnson is trolling us (or JJ) or it’s his kind of humor.
    In the end we learn nothing of Snoke, not a single little bit. Yes, it was funny the way he was cut down. His overconfidence and complete obliviousness to what Kylo was really doing is in great tradition of Emperor Palpatine, but still…
    What I blame is JJ’s mystery box approach in TFA. So many mysteries… and then someone else comes along and shows you that either the mystery has a very mundane solution or that there never was a mystery to begin with. It’s bad storytelling either way.
    There’s so much build up… and very little reward.

    And finally there’s Finn, Rose and DJ. It’s unfortunate that Finn is a clownish comic relief who obviously cleaned the floors of the entire First Order fleet. It’s also unfortunate that his story line is by far the most pointless subplot and not even very exciting. Rose, as a character, is fine. But since she’s with Finn all the way through the movie she also is more or less forgettable – their adventure is rather pointless. And their one romantic scene at the end came out of nowhere. DJ is completely forgettable and even annoying with his strange affectation.

    Also, whereas in the OT the leading officers of the Empire were shown as (mostly) competent and efficient, the First Order military leadership is a complete joke. This undermines the threat, the First Order looks more like a collection of incompetent bumbling fools than ruthless leaders.

    Leia doesn’t get that much to do. Her Mary Poppins scene in space is meant well but the execution is unvoluntarily funny.
    Also, Leia is a bad military leader, which pains me to say. No leader should slap a subordinate in front of the crew. You just don’t do that.
    The performance was ok. But Leia didn’t get to do that much since she’s in a coma for a long stretch of the movie.

    Poe is ok. He gets some character development from being just some daredevil flyboy to becoming a more responsible leader.

    So what does work?
    All scenes between Kylo and Rey, Rey and Luke and Luke and Kylo. The space battle is fun. The lightsaber battle on the Supremacy and the confrontation with Snoke is dramatic and funny. Snoke may be a pointless joke, but this scene was great.
    The final confrontation on Crait is something new, something we didn’t get in Star Wars before.
    And Luke doesn’t go down like a total fool, no, he totally owns Kylo and even gives him a classic Han Solo line as a goodbye before he disappears.
    Luke’s end is fitting within the context of the movie. And I think it’s a given we haven’t seen the last of him.
    Yodas short scene was also fantastic. As witty and mischievous as we remember him from the OT. Those were some great lines and the interaction with Luke was one of the highlights.
    Kylo turns out to be the most interesting new character. He’s not your run of the mill villain who is evil for the sake of it. He’s conflicted and in TLJ you learn more about why he is what he is. He just happens to have different goals than Rey.
    The humor works sometimes, sometimes it falls flat. Humor shouldn’t undermine your characters.

    I enjoyed most parts of TLJ. However, various flaws also bring it down. But the movie has a few scenes that might become classics. Overall it doesn’t reach the level of the OT but it certainly is a much better movie than TFA.
    The movie will most likely only entertain you if you let go of the OT and take the sequels for that they are. Mass compatible entertainment. It’s still Star Wars, but it’s not the story of the OT characters anymore, it’s the journey of Kylo and Rey plus friends and all the OT characters are only stepping stones who are then left behind.

    My ranking of the movies…

    ANH, ESB, ROTS, ROTJ, AOTC, RO, TLJ, TFA, TPM

    • Jawa_Fetish

      Does Audible have the audio version of your review?

      • Funtomaz

        😛 😀

    • Here’s mine…..

      TESB
      ROTJ
      ANH
      R1
      ROTS
      TLJ
      TPM
      AOTC
      TFA

      Those first four are damn near perfect. The rest have many flaws.

    • Johnnie Sky_Walker

      I’m very in tune with your ideas. The real problem with me is really the fact they took our old heroes and annhilated all the good they done, all their accomplishments and moral stature. It’s not they are not enough present in the trilogy, I’m totally ok if R2 or Chewie have only 2 minutes of screentime, because this is not their story. But Luke,Han and Leia could have had two minutes of screentime each but with their character more adherent with what they were 30 years earlier and I would enjoyed much more TFA and TLJ

    • Captain America Trooper

      I like how you don’t need a cell phone if you are in tune with the Force.

  • Jaden Korr

    I’m still digesting, but I will regale the events leading up to my viewing tonight.

    My group arrived about an hour early (we had assigned seats, but wanted to avoid any issues). We get out of the car to see a bunch of people (in SW stuff) walking back toward the parking lot, and they tell us the theater has been out of power since 10 AM, and are still working on it.

    About a half hour later they finally let us in the building. We scan our tickets, and ask about our extra goodies (we had tickets for the Fan Event, which for $15 extra bucks had a hour earlier showtime, “bonus footage”, trading cards, drink in collectible cup, and medium popcorn). Guy has no clue, asks somebody at the help desk, who then goes back into an office brings out a couple packs of cards, saying “is that what these are?” but doesn’t bring the rest out, making me think no one else got any.

    We then go to concessions and ask about the food, who also has no clue (sounds like it wasn’t their fault, upper management didn’t clue them in). At one point they thought it was just a small drink per ticket, but didn’t know how to mark it. Then they thought it was one cup and popcorn per purchase (which wasn’t flying since everybody bought their tickets in groups when they went in sale months ago). After about 15 minutes and lots of scrambling from the 17 year old manager we finally get the rest of our stuff. I’m normally not one to make a fuss, but darn it I payed for it so I’m getting it!

    We head back to the theater, and there’s another worker there who says that since the power was off so long, the buildings heater doesn’t work, so here’s a voucher to come back if you don’t want to stay. I’m not waiting any longer so we go in (and it was pretty cold inside!).

    Theater its actually pretty great aside from the temperature. It had been renovated recently with electronic controlled recliners, which is now the only way to go to the movies now for me. The projector froze for a few minutes during the trailers, but after that it worked fine. The bonus footage ended up just being a welcome and thank you from Rian Johnson, and a little featurette with John Williams about the score.

    And when we go to leave, another employee is handing out more vouchers for the inconvenience, so I ended up with two free tickets to see it again later.

    Pics of freebies: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ec380c1de54780b9a1a4a1e789eb80911ce84893a3b192f96c48b73e024a4561.jpg

    Cup is plastic, and cards are double sided, with some variance in the packs. Overall, meh. I preferred the poster I got for RO last year or the metal popcorn tin from the marathon before TFA.

  • Superflukullus

    Dissapointing. I have to process gm thoughts but further but that’s what I am currently thinking.

  • hammyhamster

    I will not view this page until tomorrow,but I had to add a comment. The Spanish reviewers are hilarious! They seem to be the most passionate about this movie… and by “passionate” I mean having unbridled rage.

    I really hope that it’s not that bad, but if it is…

    Para mis amigos en Espana (Y mis amigos personales en Columbia, Argentina y Chile) SIEMPRE mi casa es tu casa.

    Nunca cambies.

    • Funtomaz

      One thing is sure… there seems to be a certain disconnect between all the professional reviewers and what quite a few fans feel.

      • hammyhamster

        I can’t read this, Funto as I’m still trying to maintain some mystery for the movie, but I will read and reply back soon.. oh yes I will 😉

      • hammyhamster

        And… my feelings have now been said in Paul’s review article. I sure as heck see the disconnect. What a waste of almost 3 hours.

    • Arm3nch Tripplehorn

      En México hay muchos ardidos por la película xD!

      • hammyhamster

        Porque su mexicanos estan muy intellegente!

        La vi.. Y no me gusta. MUCHO!

  • CadeSky

    Just got out of a showing and really not sure how I feel. Disappointment might be stronger than happiness right now. I feel like there was an awful lot of “plot armor” in this movie that was really distracting me. But at the same time, there were some new things that wae haven’t ever really seen before. I was pretty glad about Snoke…never liked him haha!! That was one of the best parts, I thought. The Praetorians actually did seem scary.

  • ctwins3688

    Just got out of a double screening for TFA and TLJ. Overall I’m honestly a little disappointed- id still rank it top half of Star Wars movies, but I think I liked TFA more (and i rank that after ANH and ESB). To me TFA was a more balanced movie with a more streamlined plot, whereas this one lagged a little in the middle but had some AWESOME scenes. A few random thoughts below:

    -this felt more like ROTJ
    -I felt like there were more truly corny parts in this one than other SW films
    -hated how Leia floated through space using the force
    -felt like the canto bite sequence was completely pointless, and didn’t like how they tried to cram politics into it
    -didn’t like DJ at all
    -great seeing yoda, and glad they used the puppet version
    -really liked snoke and his powers
    -still a big fan of Kylo ren being an extremely flawed villain, and hope he stays bad through the next one
    -likes this version of hux much better (more comedic)
    -praetorian guards were wasted
    -wish phasma played a bigger role and didn’t like how easily she was defeated,but it was cool seeing Gwendoline Christies face under the mask
    -luke was awesome, hammill gave a great performance

  • scram

    Best since Empire. Loved every bit of it. Not a single complaint from me.

  • Darth Maleval

    I think a lot of people need to remember that there is still one more movie to go in this trilogy. I see comments about plot holes and such. Many things to be discovered in Episode IX.

    Snoke’s death puzzles me almost more than anything. There has to be more going on here. You can’t just have this powerful force user out of nowhere and give no explanation, then kill him off. I don’t think his story is finished. Overall I really enjoyed the movie. Here’s a few points of interest I liked..
    1. Holdo is a great character, sad that she had to sacrifice herself, but it was spectacular!
    2. I really want a crystal fox now.
    3. Luke’s last scene was nicely done.
    4. Showing the Jedi books on the Falcon was pretty cool!
    5. DJ could be a new Han Solo type character…he may just turn up again at just the right time.

    Couple minor nitpicks..
    1. Not a fan of the Porgs
    2. Why couldn’t the first order have ships enter the system in front of the Resistance fleet? They knew where they were they could enter the system ahead of them as well as behind (I realize that would change the story, but still).
    3. I like BB-8, but he was just a bit over the top in this one.

  • tyehyll

    This was simply incredible. Was so unique! The only bummer is it is a,middle chapter so all they did was pile on more questions. Also, a surprisingly small amount of Rey, all things considered.

  • rickk12345

    This movie sucked.

    • Jawa_Fetish

      Can we put that on the poster?

      • rickk12345

        I didn’t really like TFA that much but was hoping TLJ would hit a home run. I now realize that nobody involved with the franchise has any good ideas. They aren’t making movies because they have a story to tell, they are making movies because it makes money.

        • Jimmy Kemp

          You hit the nail right on the head sir.

        • General Hux

          Are you serious? This is probably the most thought provoking Star Wars movie ever. And that’s a fact. If they were just trying to make money, there wouldn’t be stories like this.

          • Vasco Madeira

            I agree, the humor parts take this episode into uncharted territory.
            I have already 2 viewings( one alone and one with wife and kid) and the first one alone was a punch in the stomach of lifelong SW aficionado and the second viewing was an emotional roller coaster ride with my kid and wife both were genuinely surprised , my wife even waved her arms in a “ c’mon” way when the first order concentrated all fire power on Luke! I have never seen her show any emotion that physically in a movie theater.

            And my kid … she laughed , cried, cheered, got angry, cried again, shouted at Luke, cried, hates Kylo… got home cried again at the sight of her Paige 5POA figure ( maybe because it lacks SA) she resonated emotionally with the movie because she can’t read or understand English ( she is 7).

            Disney made a SW movie, a proper SW movie like RO!

          • Thought provoking? Not so much but it was provocative which was welcome from play it safe TFA.

          • rickk12345

            I saw it for a second time tonight and I liked it more than the first time. I didn’t like TFA. TLJ was better. I just had the expectation that Luke would have a larger role. There was an under utilization of OT characters in general that bothered me. Chewbacca a hero of the rebellion, was basically a taxi driver!

    • Sucked less than TFA though. That’s not even up for debate.

  • tony car care

    I am at a complete loss of what I saw as to what I was hoping to see
    the next starwars movie in this series will be called Who The F@#* Cares

    • Jawa_Fetish

      Star Wars: Episode IX: JJ don’t give a F@#*

  • ARC-77

    Overall, I liked it. It wasn’t perfect, and I don’t think its going to be my favorite Star Wars film, but I appreciate the risks they took. I liked Luke, Rey, and Kylo. Poe got to do more stuff this time. I didn’t like how the First Order was portrayed as being so comically ineffective. Phasma did jack all. Rose and Finn were good, but the whole thing they were doing felt like it didn’t need to be there really. Yoda was fantastic. R.I.P Admiral Ackbar

  • tony car care

    what a joke Disney, leia flying through the vacuum of space ok
    super force user snoke cut like darth maul but dies ummmm ???
    adam driver ,, no thanx I will call UBER first nuff said

  • Darth Maleval

    At first I thought Finn was going to run out so fast to hug Rey, that she would lose her concentration and drop all the rocks on everyone else.

  • ctwins3688

    I will say this: if given the choice between the two id pick JJ over Rian to helm 9, so at least that’s a positive

  • SteveU1

    That movie was a pile of crap. I had high hopes for it and it failed. So many plot holes and hey why try to explain snoke backstory! Just kill him. I am in no way a hater of these new movies but that was a mess!

    • Everyone thinks Solo will suck but I see it being a surprise like R1.

      • Tyler Frechette

        I hope you’re right but most of me just feels like no one should be playing Han but Ford.

  • I am still processing this film… I honestly don’t even know what to say I am feeling right now. It’s hard for me and i’m struggling to write this post because my mind legitimately can’t put what I am feeling into a cohesive statement. There’s a lot to love, there’s some things I wish might have been different, BUT I don’t know that I wish they were different because I didn’t like them, or because as a fan I wish it went a different way (if that makes sense). Some of the things I wish didn’t happen can be because I just would have liked to see it done differently because it made me feel a different way. IDK…i’m at a loss….honestly. I think tomorrow after I’ve digested it and have fully come to terms with some of the things that happened I can make a better judgement. I will say this, it was so well shot and put together. It LOOKS beautiful! And I found myself laughing a bunch (is that good or bad? I’m not sure!), but i found myself smiling a lot and I also found myself gripping my seat…LITERALLY gripping my arm rests. I can’t say i’ve honestly ever done that during a film. So…yeah lol this obviously doesn’t plainly say what I thought of the movie, so i’m hoping to put into together in my mind and figure out what this is that I’m feeling by tomorrow and a second viewing.

    • ARC-77

      I know what you mean. I can say now that I liked it, but I definitely need to see it again to figure out how I feel about everything.

    • RumSleg

      My feelings exactly right now.

  • I liked the movie, which means Paul will hate it. That’s all that matters!

    • Jimmy Griffin

      Yeah, I’ve got a feeling he’s not going to love it. I hope I’m wrong.

      • Well, at lease we won’t have to listen to him complain how it was a rehash of ESB! Other than having AT-ATs walk on a base, it was nothing like it. And, I’m just giving you a hard time Paul. I’m sure you will love this one!

        • Jimmy Griffin

          It really wasn’t. There were certainly some parallels, but that’s expected in a SW movie. This was no rehash. I thought it was going to end on an ESB type cliffhanger, but it didn’t.

        • Well…there was Yoda in it lol Does that count as ESB rehashing? ah…typing that just brings the image of Yoda opening up the sky and bringing down the bolt of lightning. CRAZY

          • Yoda was a very nice surprise. I like his interactions with Luke. I like how he totally get’s Luke even though Luke has disconnected himself from everything.

          • Mike_5555

            I was so excited to see Yoda. Loved it.

          • Rivesjunctionite

            YODA PUPPET! He was fantastic.

          • bobcat

            and he was cracking up about like a crazy person! haha 😛

          • CG Yoda looked horrible but puppet Yoda looked the best since 1983.

        • bobcat

          the only rehash scene to me was the rey/mirror thing. that was a obvious rip off of the dream sequance Luke has on dagohba or whatever that scene was called. Paul will be all over that one im sure but i cant disagree with that..they could of left that out and it would of felt more original.

          • What about “Take a look out of the window and watch your rebel fleet being destroyed”?

          • bobcat

            oh ya! i forgot about that! i did notice that during the movie but forgot later on…im glad Snokes gone though. i wasnt into ’emporer II’ from the very beginning anyway. the emporer was evil but that guy was more of prick or something :/ i was happy to see him go for both of those reasons.

          • bobcat

            oh ya! i forgot about that but during the movie i thought the same thing. :/ the dream thing really stood out to me though. guess those weird portals are all over the place were jedi hide outs are! ha 🙂

          • Rivesjunctionite

            The elevator with “I can feel the conflict within you”? That was even staged and framed like ROTJ.

    • bobcat

      im scrolling thru wondering were he is 🙂 haha

    • TorynGlavin

      HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ! I’m glad you said it, I was too afraid to !! I think it’s a really strong Star Wars movie. I’m happy !!

    • Rivesjunctionite

      Least surprising revelation of TLJ.

  • rusty_t

    I LOVED IT!!!!

  • Jimmy Griffin

    Literally just got home from seeing it a few minutes ago. Wow. It was different, introduced a lot of new elements. A lot of people died. I expected to get Leia’s death in this one; I guess they will save it for an off screen in the next one, which kind of sucks. Luke is dead; but you know, Obi Wan died in ANH, then appeared in the next two, so I’m not counting out seeing him again. I wasn’t really as surprised or shocked by anything as much as I was lead to believe I would be. Better than TFA, but then it’s a completely different kind of movie. Would not say it is better than ESB, but I am really still processing everything. I guess the most shocking thing to me was that Snoke died, but that’s fine with me; I was never that impressed with him.

    • RumSleg

      I don’t understand why Luke died or had to die. Did the projection exhaust him? Or did he just decide it was time to go?

      • I don’t quite get that myself…I’m guessing, based on what Rey and Leia discussed, that he just knew it was time. He was looking at that Sun set reminiscent of Tatooine and I think he just knew it was time to be one with the force and this was the best way he could help. However…I’m really struggling with this still so Idk

        • Mike_5555

          Yeah, that was impression but I’m still struggling with it.

          • General Hux

            One thing….Luke says to Ben; “See you around.” I don’t think we have seen the last of him.

          • Mike_5555

            Yeah, we haven’t seen the last of Luke. Especially since we won’t see Leia in Ep. 9.

          • General Hux

            I’ll be interested to see where they go with him in IX.

          • Mike_5555

            Me too. I’m really not sure where the story will go next, but I wish Rian was coming back. Faults and all, he had a unique vision. I enjoyed TFA, but Abrams’ return has me nervous.

          • General Hux

            After this movie…JJ has a lot of options for IX. But his biggest obstacle is what to do with Leia…She was supposed to have an integral role in the next one.

          • bobcat

            im sure he will have help. not overly worried about the Leia part of the story but i am about everything else! haha :S

          • Assuming nothing happens to Hamill.

        • bobcat

          i did think it was kinda lame he had to go 🙁 they could of kept him around for the last of this trilogy and done what they did in this one for next time. it would of been nicer to see him again but i also like they prob felt it worked better in this movie. tough sacrfice to make and they made it.

      • I got the impression that what he did took the life from him, that he knowingly sacrificed himself by doing that.

      • bobcat

        being he left like Obi Wan did (which was a nice touch) i kinda wondered too. he was exhausted from what he did but i really dont think that killed him. i think he did it by his own will. he mentions the jedi will continue etc etc..i think he felt his time was up and his purpose was over. (dont forget Rey even says ”peace and purpose”) it just fits more when i think about it that way.

      • Jimmy Griffin

        I read somewhere that TFA was supposed to be Han’s spotlight, TLJ was Luke’s, and IX was going to be Leia’s (unfortunately we now know that won’t be the case); so I think that’s why he died in the story, part of the whole “passing it on to the next generation thing”. As for in-story explanation, I think it’s probably a little bit of both of what you said.

      • CadeSky

        This is one thing that as I think about it more has me confused. I don’t quite feel like he HAD to die.

    • The audience cheered when he died. I don’t think because it was awesome so much as everyone was equally unimpressed with him as everyone else was.

  • I don’t understand this need to have every character having to have come from somewhere just because they are powerful? Dang, I sure wish I knew where the heck Mace Windu came from! And man, we sure need to know who Obi-Wan’s parents are! And man, Yoda MUST be a skywalker! He’s so powerful! And that Qui-Gon! Maybe he’s Obi-Wan’s father! Hey, if Rey is powerful and came from… nobody special? You mean like pretty much every powerful Jedi OTHER than the Skywalkers? You know, by now maybe we can just see that that’s how the Force works.

    As for Snoke, we basically just get to see him at the end of his reign. Do we know his origins? No, not yet. I’m sure they will flesh that out in the expanded stories of the books. But hey, did we know who the Emperor was by the time Return of the Jedi came around? Just barely from a few lines of dialog. And guess what? When we finally got to see him… it was when he died. Nope, I don’t have a problem with Snoke dying, and I like how he did. He was way to powerful to be taken in single combat, only a dirty trick would do it. Just like how the Emperor died.

    • Jimmy Griffin

      Very good points, Chuck. I’m just wondering if the whole Rey’s parents explanation we got in TLJ is true or just turns out to be a red herring. I hope it’s true, so we can just move on and see the character grow on her own.

      • RumSleg

        Maybe Kylo was lying to Rey.

        • Mike_5555

          I thought about that too.

          • General Hux

            Same, I really hope that isn’t the case though. This movie gave us enough to think about already.

          • bobcat

            i did too. chances are that was a smart way to leave that up to next movie..it clearly can be or not at the same time. i bet the answer to that is being written about right now or left as Kylo said it,it would be better that he told the truth and leave that finished the way it is.

        • Jimmy Griffin

          I really think there is a good chance of that. Even if it was Rian Johnson’s intention that it is true; Abrams may not let it play out like that in IX. In TFA, when Maz asks Han “who’s the girl”, why does the camera immediately cut away? If all he was going to say was “she’s a scavenger from Jakku”?

          • RumSleg

            TFA was constantly bonking us over the head with Rey being someone special. I still want to know what Han said to Maz.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            And it felt like Kylo was acting like he already knew who she was, or something about her, in TFA. And I recently thought of this: in ESB you have Vader tell Luke something about his parents that Luke doesn’t want to believe but it turns out to be true; so, why not in TLJ we have Kylo tell Rey something about her parents that she believes but it turns out to be false?

          • RumSleg

            I think this could very well be possible. The “your parents are nobody” doesn’t fit with what we saw in TFA. The flashback of young Rey shows that she was old enough to remember who left her with Unkar. So she still must have some memory wipe or repressed memories or something.

            All this being true, I don’t think Rey’s parentage is a plot point that will be revisited. After processing all weekend, I now view eps. 7 and 8 as a good two-part movie, and I think episode 9 is going to have to take a significant jump forward in time, 5 or 10 years. And Rey will have moved past her parentage by then. She’ll be leading a squad of young Force users or something in raids against the First Order.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Yeah, I’m really hoping that set IX at least 3-5 years in the future.

          • RumSleg

            To give Temiri Blagg time to grow up! 😛

        • Funtomaz

          Would Kylo force pull that FO officer towards him and demand “what girl?!?” if he didn’t have an idea who that might be? TFA most certainly sets up Rey to be someone special. Rey herself says that her origins are a big secret.
          I have zero problems with her actually being no one, but it’s bad continuity.

          • RumSleg

            TFA was constantly bonking us over the head like a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire that Rey’s heritage was something important, and she knew it, and Han knew it, and Maz knew it, and Kylo and Snoke knew it. I still want to know what Han said to Maz.

    • I was actually VERY satisfied with Rey’s parentage. I so badly didn’t want her to be someone just for the sake of connecting the dots through the timelines. And man…Snoke was GREAT. Getting to see a taste of just how powerful he was made for a better story than overdoing it with too much. I did enjoy how he was taken care of.

      • I loved the scenes with Snoke! He was very well done I thought.

      • I agree. While I thought it would be cool to have her be a somebody in the overall story, It would be too much. My favorite theory is that she was Obi-Wan’s granddaughter (unbeknownst to him). I suppose she still could be. But, I don’t think she needs to be tied to anyone at all. I still wish Snoke was Plagueis, and that’s how he dies.

        • Jimmy Griffin

          I really went into this thinking there was a good chance Rey was created by the Force like Anakin, possibly as a result of manipulation by Snoke. So, the whole “your parents were nobodies” thing was quite a surprise.

        • I initially really wanted him to be Plagueis, but I can’t see them bringing him back. I was SOOO on board with Plagueis from the start. It would’ve made a lot of sense

          • Did you catch some of the Palpatine prequel trilogy music tied in? That made me think of Plagueis too.

          • You know what? I avoided as many spoilers as I could for this movie…but like a month ago I got the soundtrack and I definitely heard some of that in there. Ahh…Plagueis…would’ve been perfect/could still be lol

          • Brian B.

            Hearing that was so unexpected, and I loved it.

          • Aric

            Also heard some episode 1 trade federation army music as well in the beginning parts!

          • Pretty sure that was The Emperor’s theme but they also use Obi-Wan’s theme for every major Jedi character.

        • Captain America Trooper

          Perhaps thats why there are so many reflections of her, she is just one of many.

      • Mike_5555

        I was too. I know some will be frustrated by the reveal of her parents, but it works for me and you still have the Skywalker line with Kylo/Ben.

        • bobcat

          i think its better she comes from nothing too. its too fitting and on the nose if she was tied to Kenobi or something. Rian Johnson nailed it in that way. not worried about ‘she has her powers for nothing” what does that mean? not much to me. people are born with talents all the time..things have to start/end somewhere.

      • RumSleg

        Paul’s main gripe about Rey is the Mary Sue issue. Making her parents nobodies doesn’t fix that. It also ignores all the seeds planted in TFA. And so Rey is still the most powerful Jedi with no training at all and for no reason at all.

        Idea: between ESB and ROTJ, people wondered if Vader was lying to Luke about being his father. Maybe Kylo was lying to Rey this time around.

        • It’s possible, but I think she knew it also. He made it pretty clear that she had come to terms with it. But yeah…why would her parents be flying away if they sold her. Idk…it can go anywhere really…I guess it’s up to JJ how he wants to really handle it or leave it as is.

          • bobcat

            not really looking forward to him ”handling it” ah well

        • TeagansDad

          Rey is strong with the Force because Kylo Ren is. She’s the light to balance his darkness. I think Snoke mentioned something about this. Her power exists as a balance to his.

        • CadeSky

          I’m suspicious.

      • dogbite

        C’mon, Kylo Ren is like the definition of unreliable narrator 😛

        I do not trust the man who killed his own father to be honest when dealing with someone knowing their greatest weakness.

      • CadeSky

        I am very much okay with the story that Kylo told her being true. Again, it’s playing with the expectations of the audience…it doesn’t really have to be the case that she is connected to anyone else. My fear, though, is that in IX there will be some backpedaling on this. As in, by “nobody,” she is another Force-created being. She asked to see her parents in the reflection and just saw herself. Maybe there really is “nobody” to speak of.

    • Mike_5555

      Well said, Chuck. I was about to post something similar. I still think Snoke is an underdeveloped character, but I certainly don’t need every question answered.

      • Jimmy Griffin

        I’m sure we will end up getting some background info in a novel.

        • OR….OR..OR….Snoke IS Plagueis and he’s alive in the next one! lol…might as well say it now. It’ll make the rounds. *BTW i really hope that doesn’t happen*

          • That has crossed my mind. He supposedly COULD cheat death.

          • Yeah exactly. And honestly, the first thought when I saw him die was “Nope…He’s coming back! It’s Plagueis!” I was completely part of that Plagueis campaign when the Ep7 News started flowing lol.

          • You and me both.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            For a little while after it happened in the movie I was afraid it was going to turn out to have been a ruse.

          • dogbite

            I would say if you hope that doesn’t happen at this point you weren’t paying attention to the story George was telling with the Saga :

            They’re poetry!

            First & foremost, the end, period.

            They mosty nailed it with TFA, TLJ is like kiiiiiinda there maybe, Ep IX REALLY needs to tie in Snoke as Plagueis & Rey/Ben as siblings, & that’s just how I feel 🙂

          • I thought Luke was so pissed they held hands since they were about to kiss like he and Leia did.

      • RumSleg

        All I want to know about Snoke is where he was and what he was doing while Palpatine reigned. The Galaxy does not seem big enough for the both of them.

        • Well as old as he appeared that certainly is a good question. He could have been one of Palpatine’s students, or just another Dark side user hiding in the shadows waiting for his moment like Palpatine was.

        • Mike_5555

          Yes, and I hope that question is addressed at some point.

    • ARC-77

      They’ll probably expand on Snoke in a future cartoon where he secretly will have survived and be attached to a robot spider body.

      • Hey, that’s a great idea!

      • Maul’s resurrection was almost as dumb as flying Leia but I mostly liked what they did with his character.

        • CadeSky

          I remember feeling the same way. “Why…just why?” But then Maul wound up being really cool in TCW and Rebels.

          • Tyler Frechette

            Part of me still thinks it’s stupid but his whole getting back at Obi-Wan with Satine was cool.

    • Captain Yorr

      who built BB-8 lol

      • Captain America Trooper

        Poe, as a child.

    • dogbite

      I disagree entirely on Snoke; TFA sets him up as The Most Evil Thing in the Galaxy, everything that’s wrong in the Universe…& he’s killed halfway through the next movie like some chump? I just don’t buy it.

      Episode Eight was full of shocks & twists, I’ll give it that…but I expect Nine to be no slouch in that department either after everything that has transpired in TLJ.

      • Not with JJ Abrams writing and directing it. Have you seen Into Dumbness? That’s what we have to look forward to.

      • Palpatine was built up WAY more evil than Snoke ever was, and Palpatine was tossed down a shaft. Seems like a chump way to die if that is how you are defining it.

        • dogbite

          Difference is it came at the third act, I would say. Each entry in the OT opens up the galaxy in larger way until the satisfying conclusion. The ST is moving at breakneck speed, can’t just gloss over someone as important as Snoke halfway through the second act.

    • I thought Rey was created by the force like Anakin when she saw herself in the not-Dagobah cave after asking to see her Parents.

      • Steve Barmash

        Yes, when she said something about who are my parents and the shadows walked up to the glass, she wiped the grime or condensation or whatever off and it was her own face…

    • Rivesjunctionite

      Rey’s origins made so much sense! And it delighted me to see all those Rey theories disappear like popped balloons.

    • Tyler Frechette

      The last two sentences really nailed it. Well said!!

    • David Harrison

      Genius post Chuck!

      • I can’t take anything he says seriously. I mean, he thinks The Force Awakens is a good film.

        • David Harrison

          He’s absolutely right about the Snoke complaints though

  • Mike_5555

    I’m still digesting the movie and have a lot of thoughts swirling around my head. They took risks and pushed the saga forward, which is a great thing. I’m going to see it again tomorrow morning and will start writing the official JTA review when I get back.

    • Looking forward to it!

    • Jimmy Griffin

      Can’t wait for that review. Even people who hate this movie can’t say it was just a reboot rehash. It definitely moves things forward. A lot of people aren’t going to like how, but it did.

      • One thing I can really say for certain (at least in my mind), Rian Johnson can TOTALLY pull off an Old Republic trilogy if that’s the direction they go.

        • That would certainly be fun!

          • I think he NAILED the Lightsaber and fighting scenes. It’s tough to say, “What haven’t we done with a lightsaber to kill someone” and he really knocked it out of the park I thought, They did some intriguing and awesome ways to kill the Praetorian Guards (who were excellent btw)

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Right after Snoke died, and Kylo and Rey get in gear to take on those guards! Yeah, that was a nice moment.

          • Aric

            Sickest scene in the movie! They looked so badass

          • CadeSky

            What was cool about that was that the Guards got to do what we all wanted to see from the ERGs in the original trilogy….really cut loose and get into a fight! I really came full circle with the Praetorians. At first I really thought they looked silly and not SW enough.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Same here.

          • Actually seeing the guards in action was superb. They all got aced, but up against anyone but Force users they would have cleaned house!

          • Mike_5555

            I was worried that the guards would be throwaway background characters, but I like how they were handled.

          • bobcat

            i really didnt care about the red guards. prob cause i knew they were going to all be knocked off anyway. i donno..im into the story more then that side of things but it was cool to see them fight together and snokes death and the saber going in to reys hand was a cool touch. after that i already knew what was going to happen so i didnt care really..u know 🙂

          • Rivesjunctionite

            Much better than the ERGs who just stood there in every movie they were in. Except ROTS where they got thrown around like ragdolls.

          • Tyler Frechette

            100% agree with this. The “lightsaber turning on into his face” was a good one.

        • Mike_5555

          Definitely! Set aside the story for a minute, but Rian Johnson’s direction was beautiful. I’d love to see what he would do with the blank canvas of the Old Republic era.

          • YES! That’s it really was done so beautifully from the shots to the fight choreography and everything in between. I think Disney is smart to give him a trilogy. But I just REALLY hope they touch on the Old Republic. So much fresh story to tell outside of the Skywalker Saga

        • zx_spectrum_30

          Yes

      • Mike_5555

        Exactly. I think this movie will be far more divisive than TFA or the prequels. It is certainly not a rehash and made risky moves to push the saga forward. It’s whether you can accept the new direction and additions.

        • Jimmy Griffin

          Oh yeah, I said a few days ago that this movie was going to be polarizing. Definitely still think so.

        • Rivesjunctionite

          I didn’t see that it was all that risky, except maybe Luke’s fate. The rest of it seemed like logical extrapolations of what we’ve seen in the previous SW media. Reducing the Resistance to a handful of people on the Falcon means they can do with E9 whatever they want. It made sense to me.

  • RumSleg

    One of my first thoughts upon leaving the theater: Paul is probably going to hate this movie, and it definitely doesn’t fix any of the issues with Rey.

    • Jimmy Griffin

      Yep.

    • Mike_5555

      Yeah, I hope Paul enjoyed it but I’m interested to see what he thought of it.

    • JediJones

      It didn’t fix her character BUT it did dial down her Mary Sue-ness
      considerably. Luke gave her jazz instead of praising her from front to
      back as G0d’s gift to the universe. She also got her butt kicked by
      Snoke for a while.

      • Rivesjunctionite

        She was more Mary Sue than ever. Yoda basically said she didn’t need training. So what’s the point of Jedi training at all? All that padawan stuff from TCW and the PT is pointless. You’re not only born able to use the Force, but you can do it without any help from anyone else. Also, ESB is completely undermined: Luke faces Vader before he’s “ready,” and pays the price. But what is this “ready” business? Why does Luke even need to go to Dagobah?
        Plus, running off to face Kylo was not a mistake. She was right that she could turn Kylo against Snoke, unlike Luke in ESB.
        Now, I personally realize there’s a lot more going on in the film than that, but I don’t think Paul’s going to see things that way.

    • bobcat

      Pauls got a hold on us! when i was washing my hands after leaving the bathroom i was thinking about what Paul was thinking about this movie! hes a rockstar! haha

  • Aric

    Mary poppins leia was my favorite! So crazy they had a chance to kill her off and brought her back just to last the whole way through! I couldn’t help but laugh the whole time. Overall still digesting the movie.

  • General Hux

    Don’t have many words to express how I am feeling right now, I got out of theater, drove home…And I still can’t process this.

    When I came out of seeing The Force Awakens for the first time I had a smile on my face.

    When I came out of seeing Rogue One for the first time I had a smile on my face.

    Coming out of The Last Jedi for the first time tonight…I was not smiling, I was absolutely shocked. I loved it…But this movie is making me think more than any other Star Wars film ever.

    • Lol…I keep seeing this same thing written over and over. I said the same thing. But actually, the more i’m here discussing it, the more my brain is starting to piece together my feelings into something cohesive.

      • General Hux

        This is why I’m happy to have JTA to discuss things like The Last Jedi. LOL

        • JTA is a great place for all your Star Wars needs. Including Emotional Therapy and film processing 🙂

          • General Hux

            Amen.

          • Mike_5555

            That should be our new slogan.

        • Jimmy Griffin

          Hey, at least your namesake didn’t die in this one! Although he definitely got his butt handed to him a couple of times.

          • General Hux

            Yeah…I was honestly a little disappointed of how they approached the character of Hux. He was basically just the butt of jokes. :-/

          • Mike_5555

            Yeah, no offense but I didn’t like how they handled Hux in this film. Felt like they wasted a talented actor, like with Phasma.

          • ARC-77

            Hux seemed pretty competent in TFA and then in the first seconds of this film he’s a complete fool…

          • He is the Nute Gunray of this trilogy only less funny.

          • Benster Piszczek

            I like to picture this as “What if Grand Moff Tarkin was in The Empire Strikes Back?”

          • Tyler Frechette

            Agree. They had a second chance to make Phasma great again, and they wasted her… again…

          • RumSleg

            Hux did get one of the best lines in the film, though. “The Supreme Leader is dead… long live the Supreme Leader!”

          • CadeSky

            Yeah, sorry, rough movie if you are a Hux fan. 🙁

          • Tyler Frechette

            I agree. Huh was the only definitive “bad***” the Forst Order had because Snoke and Kylo (besides Phasma but a traitor is hardly a bada**) and, well… he’s no Veers or Tarkin.

      • Captain Yorr

        He is now more powerful than we can possibly imagine. Dont ever forget that.

    • Mike_5555

      Yes! This film is harder to process than other entires, which should make writing the review fun!

      • Jimmy Griffin

        I think this can best be described as the most “challenging” SW film ever.

        • Mike_5555

          I’m going to steal that for the review lol.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Go right ahead.

        • Rivesjunctionite

          Star Wars for grownups. Themes of teaching the next generation, of imagining your generation is the best that will ever be, accepting failure, and letting go and moving on. Those are pretty adult concerns, even if they were handled in a very kid-friendly, SW way.

      • General Hux

        I can’t imagine writing a review for this film after only 2 viewings! I would need to see it about 5 times before I could write a review. Lol

        • Mike_5555

          I will say that it is difficult to write a review that quickly. Your opinion is still evolving. It’s hard for me to read my past reviews. My review of TFA would be different if I wrote right now for example.

          • Amen to that. Now you set your self up for “where are we now” reviews… TFA 5 years later

          • Mike_5555

            Re-reviewing films is the last thing I need to think about right now lol, but that could be fun!

          • Well, I do think the point of most reviews is a first impression look at what you are reviewing. Hey, maybe a good feature would be a “one year later” review.

          • Mike_5555

            That’s true.

            TFA: Revisted. Maybe that would be a fun feature.

          • Rivesjunctionite

            Only if you get a diversity of voices. Don’t let you-know-who monopolize the conversation 🙂

          • bobcat

            first impressoins are good but for sure it takes time. the test of time reviews!

          • bobcat

            from my first viewing,the best part about the TFA for me was the questions and open endiness of it,which i know a lot didnt like. its a trilogy so i dont see how anyone would not realize thats done for a reason. duuuh! but the parts i didnt care for over a year were the finn & poe bromance..i donno..its ok but i just find watching those scenes boring now. a lot of the rest of it feels not worth watching either. TLJ has a lot more meat to it. ive only seen it once so far but i know i wont loose that over time…will see how we feel in time over it as a whole though. i think it will stand the test of time. its the best star wars movie to date! haha jk. ESB will always be the best to me no matter what.

    • Matthew Vandebogert

      i feel the same. i yook my mom and step dad. my mom LOVED IT. i mean she said its her favorite of all of them. i left feeling stunned. i had to go. hang out by myself. went to Target and walked around. then over to Walmart which had another case of Rogue 1 3.75 put out. but i didnt buy any troopers. back to how im feeling. theres alot to be excited about. alot of fun. But the loss of Luke just freakin hurts. and that dies make it a great film. hiw TFA handled Han just royally p***ed me off. But with Luke i felt how Rey and Leia felt. saddened and even a bit lost on how to go on but also content knowing he died saving his friends, at peace, giving Kylo that last chance to stop his foolishness. but its still sad, even though he can return as a force ghost hes still gone.

    • JediJones

      It’s Christopher Nolan-style Star Wars. But it’s getting too far away from the escapist fun of the OT and PT for my tastes. There’s only one truly escapist scene in this and that’s the Falcon chase through the caverns. It needed more of that and less of the dark and gritty stuff. Like Nolan’s movies, it’s smart and has depth, but it also gives the viewer a very heavy load to bear.

    • Rivesjunctionite

      I was hoping you’d like it. I thought it was darn near perfect. I was surprised by how much I loved it. After reading a bunch of spoiler-free reviews, I had serious reservations. There seemed to be a huge contingent that absolutely hated it, especially people my age. But once again, I break the mold.
      What a film.
      I did get a wee bit tired of BB-8’s gags, especially “blowing” off the gun. I didn’t mind Hux so much as others, and I thought Phasma’s cameo was perfect. But ultimately, none of that mattered much, because I loved the journey. R2’s cheap shot and the Yoda puppet were beautiful tributes for this old geezer.
      Bring on E9 and Rian Wars!

    • Funtomaz

      The real question is… will you change your name to “General Hugs”? 😀

      • Matthew Leuck

        General Armaround Hugs.

      • General Hux

        I’m contemplating on whether I should do that. LOL

    • safari4ad

      Exactly where I’m at. I think it was fantastic, daring, and changes a lot. Ok which is why I think so many people are hating on it. For all the talk of wanting something new, most of these people can’t handle it when they get it. These are the people that would have Luke Skywalker in an intergalactic nursing home at 98 years old, doling out wisdom like a human Yoda, not having changed an iota since the end of ROTJ. I understand to an extent, I grew up in the OT era (and the dark times when we didn’t know if there would ever be more Star Wars ever). But I love that they have stirred the pot the way they have with this movie. Of COURSE it’s heartbreaking to have Luke die, especially knowing we won’t have Leia in the next movie. And yes, I would like an explanation about where Snake comes from and how be bacame so powerful. But I think it’s incredible how many times I was on the edge of my seat during this movie, and how many emotions inf lt afterwards. THAT is the sign of a successful film. And the people who are unwilling to see the forest for the trees here…well, I feel bad for them, because I don’t think they ever really wanted new movies in the first place, just some fan fiction where their favorite characters run in place forever and ever.

  • 6starwars

    After the first viewing, I will say that I liked TLJ. I will see it again tomorrow, which will give me more time to absorb everything. It seems that IX is going to need a lot of filler material after this one. The end for Holdo and Snoke were great, and I loved the scene with Rey and Kylo vs. the Praetorian guards. Luke vs. Kylo was also super. I have never been a Luke fan, but liked him in TLJ. I suspect that’s mostly due to him being from the OT.

    • ARC-77

      I thought Holdo was great too. One of my favorite characters.

      • 6starwars

        Another great Star Destroyer scene. I loved the one in Rogue One, too.

        • Darth Maleval

          That explosion was very similar to the way Jango Fett’s bombs exploded in Attack of the Clones.

          • JediJones

            Those bombs are one of the reasons I will defend AOTC to my death. One of the most outstandingly conceived action sequences of all time.

  • CadeSky

    Here’s something I just thought about later on…as a SW Lego collector, I noticed that there is a new set for a “Sandspeeder.” The Snowspeeder is one of my top favorite SW vehicles, and this was basically the same but with a more “desert” color scheme. Is the Sandspeeder a Zuvio for this movie? I feel like that would have been cool, the Resistance dug up some old speeders. By the way, was there a Zuvio for this movie? I don’t think we got any promo pics/figures of things that weren’t in the movie besides this vehicle.

    • Superflukullus

      Sandspseder is from Battlefront II

      • CadeSky

        Thanks so much for the info. I was clueless. I just assumed it was a TLJ vehicle. Now I don’t have to feel ripped off lol.

  • ARC-77

    Now waiting for a SA 3.75 “Force Doppelganger Luke” figure.

    • RumSleg

      YES

    • Rivesjunctionite

      YES, please!

  • 6starwars

    Any theories as to why Luke was younger in appearance when his image fought Ren?

    • Darth Maleval

      Wasn’t he also using the blue lightsaber, which had been previously ripped in half. It was obviously a test for Kylo, which he epically failed. Also, he didn’t disturb the salt when he moved….it took Kylo a while to figure any of this out.

      • 6starwars

        Yes to both. Luke’s hair wasn’t gray and he was definitely more trim.

        • General Hux

          He appeared to be the same age as the last time Ben confronted him, Luke probably did that for a reason.

          • 6starwars

            Yes. Just trying to understand why, since he was speaking as the senior/mentor, much like Kenobi did with Vader.

          • Matthew Vandebogert

            i think it was Luke at the height of his power. like how hes seen in the force as a true Jedi. not the scraggly grumpy old man he had become in the physical world. including him with his blue lightsaber. its who he was always meant to be. who he truly was in the force after he finally learned the lesson Yoda taught him.

          • 6starwars

            I like that answer!

          • Vasco Madeira

            Calling for General Hug!? This movie shows that the people involved in making Star Wars are aware of the flaws some plot and character building had from TFA.

            RJ made a few montypithonesque humor moments showing that this Triology is buying built like an “exquisite corpse “ and I am liking it a lot!

            What do you think HUG?

      • Stereotypical Evil Archer

        I wish that after Kylo’s First few saber swings at Luke, that Luke would have drawn a second saber, with a red blade, Vader’s saber! And Luke simply says, “Balance,” with a smirk.

    • Captain Yorr

      maybe that’s how kylo saw him, the Last time they met in person He could have looked like that? just a guess

    • Stereotypical Evil Archer

      Because that is what Luke would have looked like the last time Kylo and Leia saw him.

    • More intimdating than his homeless look to Kylo Ren”

  • Jamal Kasem.

    Several things I took away from this great film:

    1. So happy what they did with reys parents and highlighted the idea that there was a star wars galaxy before the skywalkers and that not everything revolves around them. The force sensitive kid at the end was so nice to see. Sorry OT people the star wars universe is a lot larger then Darth Vader and and Luke Skywalker.

    2. Snokes demise was a tough one because his character had revealed so many interesting qualities and I was glad we got a look at how powerful he was in the force. Emperor Vitiate/Valkorion from the old republic game had a quick demise but lingered on as a haunting presence. It would be pretty nice to see snokes return as this same being to Kylo Ren. Snokes Identity is still very important because a powerful Dark Side force user like this just doesn’t come from anywhere.

    3. Yoda’s lesson with Luke was a long awaited moment. I hoped that there would be some form of a force ghost appearance in this movie and im hoping we get to see the Long awaited Visit from anakin in IX.

    4. What move does the resistance make? we are left with just a handful of people to call the resistance and the worst par is they have very little/no allies. Disney has said the IX would bring all the movies together and I hope hope hope that we make a return visit to Coruscant in IX.

    5. Going slightly off number 4 is the inclusion of more Urban Environments. Canto-Bight was such a nice addition to a trilogy that has many barren worlds and a galaxy that seems alot more empty. sorry OT people but lets face it could city was one of the favorite locations because it was urban and had a lot of life. something the prequels did very well. More Urban Locations Please!

    • CadeSky

      #5 I totally agree with. Canto Bight might have been a BIG detour from a storytelling perspective, but I am very glad to see a whole new environment. One reason I am such a SW addict is because it’s always growing.

  • Seronious

    This movie was much better than what I assumed it would be. Overall, this film is many many miles ahead of the Force Awakens. However, it leaves me concerned that JJ is about to take the reigns again. Rian Johnson took this in an interesting and new direction, but I don’t know if JJ is creative enough to end this trilogy and set it on an interesting path.

    • I think all the stupid ideas like flying Leia can be laid squarely at Abrams feet which is why I think the RJ trilogy will be superior to the ST.

      • Chimp Infinity

        How is Abrams’ responsible for flying Leia?

  • Truthbetold

    So Rian Johnson is supposed to create a whole new trilogy and this is the first of what he throws at us? I’m seriously afraid. And I thought Luke had a crash course in jedi training with yoda during ESB.. wow, Rey got nothing in the sense of training. Snoke had potential and there was a lot of build up to his character stemming from TFA, but they killed him off so quick we’ll never really know his origin. Phasma fighting Finn was something I was really looking forward to. Surely it would be a very tense, climactic moment. Nope, it was over with so quickly and easily they might as well have thrown her in the trash compactor again. The DJ guy was just an unlikely, unlikable and pointless addition to the cast. So much didn’t work in this movie and I hate to say that. I WANT to like this movie, but I can’t lie to myself… The two memorable parts I did enjoy were the praetorian guards going on the defensive against rey and kylo. The Canto Bight casino was also pretty new and interesting. All in all, I think AOTC is more watchable than this long winded movie..

    • Stereotypical Evil Archer

      Rey has the books. She knows what the Jedi did wrong. She has a more honest Jedi path before her.

      • Rey has the books. She knows what the Jedi did wrong.

        How?

  • CynF

    So having a little time to digest my viewing (Fan Event – good stuff, the extra content at the beginning was pretty fab) here’s my take on the new film and a preliminary ranking. I note preliminary as for both TFA and RO it took multiple viewings for me to figure out really where they sat.

    Right off the bat in the movie the crawl had me starting to question things. The Republic decimated? Didn’t the Resistance just blow up Starkiller Base? You’d think the FO would be the ones reeling but no. Somehow that base was made to seem like a minor inconvenience. Eventually though we did settle into the film – they didn’t really explain much about the tracking other than a quick gloss over the ‘why’ later. Taking on the Dreadnaught, loved it. Really loved the measures BB-8 took to effect repairs. That noted, didn’t realize his head could come completely off and still be functional – neat twist.
    Yoda’s cameo? Loved it. The interaction felt so ESB with a little of the RotJ twist to it. I noticed he was a bit ‘off’ from his last appearance, could be Yoda projecting the image he wants to which is a younger version of himself. That could also explain Luke’s projection appearing younger as well although Luke’s was a direct attempt to distract Ben.
    Porgs? Stupid cute. Lovvvvvved that scene at the fire with Chewie and them.
    Holdo – liked her, then hated her, then liked her again. Time will tell with that character but in the end she went out with a blaze of glory.
    Rey? Pretty solid in developing her character much more than before. Same for Ben – plenty of new folds but after the big fight against the new ERGs when he started talking about ruling I muttered under my breath “not another Anakin…”. Was hoping at that moment for him to come around and that would have made for a truly different Ep IX instead of what we’ll be dealing with. Definitely a creative opportunity completely missed. BTW, that ERG fight – pretty wicked.
    The new walkers – still not a fan but they shoot nicely.
    Poe – liking that character more and more.
    Leia? The only way I see them writing her out with any sense of continuity is a time jump between VIII and IX where they can write her off gracefully. Then again maybe we’ll have another bout of selective memory and say that she died on the spot in space in VIII and the rest was just some Force projection.
    Luke’s scene at the end? Megafeels. The twin suns, the music. OMG.
    DJ? Hated the character. Felt like he added nothing but a backstabbing twist.
    BTW, I did dig how Ben couldn’t pull the trigger to take out his Mom. 🙂

    So, all that said… current ranking:
    ESB, ANH/RO (loved that one -that- much), RotJ/RotS, TLJ, TFA, AotC, TPM. TLJ has a chance to move up a bit. Also TPM could possibly move into a tie with AotC at some point – time is changing my view on that movie a bit even with the horrid acting.

  • Incognitus

    I’m too shocked to actually process my feelings regarding Episode VIII

  • SlothFromHoth

    What the hell did I just watch?

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    A good mix of typical Star Wars tropes along with legitimate surprises and a wonderful Kurosawa homage. Can’t ask for much more than that.

  • darthvaderdisco

    Just got my thoughts together after taking an extended walk after the movie. I’ve never had to do that before after a SW movie, My first reaction is usually the one I end up on. The same is true in this case. Overall, this movie was a fantastic effort and destined to be in my top 3 when it ll shakes out.(multiple viewings will be neccessary to absorb it all.) There was so much going on pushing the narrative forward instead of just doing the same old stuff again. The battles were fantastic. There was a lot going on in every scene, and a good reason for most plot developments. Story lines that needed to wrap up got wrapped up. There was ghost Yoda and Porgs. Was it a perfect movie? My space-floating Leia detector says no. Was it great Star Wars? Absolutely.

    • Matthew Vandebogert

      i see im not the only 1 to go for a long walk afterwards 🙂

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Remember when Rey is on the rock and she sees darkness and the camera shows a buried skeleton of some creature? I hope that’s Jar Jar.

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Oddly a happy ending, despite almost everyone winding up dead.

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    How about those badass Knights of Ren! Oh, I guess they will be in Episode 9.

    • 6starwars

      Yeah, I kept waiting for them too. Episode IX should be about 30 minutes long, just enough time for Rey to turn Ren.

      • Stereotypical Evil Archer

        Ep 9: Rey and a ragtag group of inexperienced Jedi Knights Vs Kylo and the Knights of Ren.

        • 6starwars

          It’s sad that Leia won’t be around to rebuild the Rebellion and see the final victory, which we know will happen.

          • Stereotypical Evil Archer

            Yeah, that’s going to be hard to juggle. I think they need to jump ahead a couple years, say Leia was just killed by Kylo in the opening scroll. And we immediately see Kylo have a mental breakdown in the aftermath.

    • Superflukullus

      I believe the praetorians were knights of ren

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    When Kylo saber ignites that dude in the eye.

    • 6starwars

      I had already forgotten that awesome scene!

      • Stereotypical Evil Archer

        Yes, I’m gonna have to watch this again tomorrow afternoon after work.

  • zx_spectrum_30

    The headline is that TLJ massively exceeded my expectations. It’s comfortably ahead of Episodes 1,2 & 7 although some way behind the OT for me.

    Some points that stood out for me:

    * Opening crawl – very well done, felt like it was setting up a good story.

    * Opening battle – great set piece, and hadn’t expected it so soon. Some nice humour, although a little too “earthlike”.

    * Leia – for onvious reasons, didn’t expect this to be a Leia film, so good to see her front and centre and a genuine “ahhhhh”during the credits.

    * The Jedi “training” – nicely done, resisted the urge to remake Luke’s training. Not sure I loved the cave scene but didn’t hate it either.

    * Space Vegas – looked nice enough, found the whole thing pointless and just a bit of a filler. I know I’m OT but would it really have hurt just to have one or two familiar aliens? The new aliens are uninspiring and forgettable.

    * Too much BB8, one “save” would have done it. Also disappointing they now seem to have ditched astromechs and procol droids.

    * They killed Ackbar…those fools, they really did it! #RIPAdmiral

    * Death of Snoke was a real surprise and well done. Felt like they had taken the character as far as he needed to go, so brave to so it. Also pleased to see Phasma gone (probably) – character never really worked for me.

    * Rose’s character was much better than I was expecting. Likewise I thought the Porgs would be really anoying, but in the end they, and the caretakers, were a subtle injection of humour.

    * The whole chasing the Mon Cal ship (and where were all the Mon Cal) was just daft. Telling me the FO couldn’t have called in a couple more ships ahead of it?

    * The battle of salty-Hoth was underwhelming. Compare to the Battle of Hoth and it just seems a bit lightweight.

    * Yoda – nice, very nice.

    * Lovely twist with Luke force projecting and his end nicely done.

    A solid 8/10 for me.

    • JediJones

      These creatures must’ve came from the Harry Potter rejected concept art. Creature design is just one of those underrated things Lucas never got deserved credit for. At least not since the critics raved about the Cantina in ANH.

      • zx_spectrum_30

        100% – Lucas and his team created rich and deep environments full of creatures that looked alien but also like they belonged. Both TFA and TLJ have tried to capture that but missed the mark, perhaps trying too hard to be different.

        • JediJones

          Creatures were the only thing worse in this than in TFA. Except the Porgs which were fine, but in it much less than expected after all the merchandising. You can take any one of Lucas’ side creatures and make it the star of a B-movie creature feature. You could never get away with it with these new lame ones.

          • zx_spectrum_30

            I was dreading the Porgs butnactually think they were used really well, offering a side comic relief.

            Other than the little guy feeding coins into BB-8 I can’t visualise a single alien from the casino. Compare to the Cantina, Jabba’s palace or the Bounty Hunters where, as you say, you could pluck any one out and create their own story.

    • Better than TFA, AOTC, and TPM is a fair assesment.

  • Danny P.

    Only two complaints here, Snoke went down to easily and they wasted the chance to give us more Phasma. Aside from that I loved every minute of it.

  • dogbite

    I’m just gonna say this – maybe I’ll come back to it later to expand, maybe I won’t – but basically it comes down to this: I can’t decide if tonight what I saw was a great movie with some bad moments, or a bad movie with some great moments.

    Either way, it’s not a clear 100% across the board, & that’s bothering me. Must see again 😛

  • JediJones

    If we could plug Johnson’s dialogue into the prequels’ action scenes, we’d finally have the perfect follow up to the OT we always wanted.

  • JediJones

    Was this Yoda a puppet or CG? Clearly they tried to replicate ESB Yoda. Some of the poses and motions looked like direct screengrabs of ESB.

    • Both I think. The CG was some of the worst I ever seen but the puppet was one of the best.

    • CadeSky

      Yeah that was a little hard to figure out. It was a mixture, but I’d have to say that some of it was definitely a nice ESb replica puppet!

  • JediJones

    That heartfelt good-bye felt like a subtle lesbian reference between Leia and the purple-haired lady. Not a joke, that was shot and the dialogue delivered in way too romantic a fashion. Looks like Leia went a different direction after the break-up with Han.

  • bmales01

    i did not like that at all. the story was pointless and advanced nothing. the whole point is the spark of the Rebeliion? really? thats been the story since the beginning. we didnt need an entire movie dedicated to that point. it must the an allegory of trying to keep SW fandom alive.

    Canto Bight storyline was pointless and they didnt even come back with the codebreaker they were sent for. did they think their plan would still work?

    I was at least hoping it would expand the story of the Force and trying to find a grey area, rather than the extreme of either Jedi or Sith. That wasnt really explored much at all.

    At least Nien Nunb was shown in the end so I guess he survived.

    • dogbite

      Hahah the end sequence with the riff raff on Canto Bight almost had me sick to my stomach, felt like a cheap Duracell commercial XD

      Gotta get ‘em young, keep the Gravy Train rolling!

      “Look kids, it’s about you too now! Watch Star Wars, love Star Wars, talk about Star Wars, buy Star Wars!”

      I’m terrified the Johnson Trilogy is going to be some new Jedi academy, Maze Runner type schlock targeting the YA crowd…which I guess is fine, but I don’t want to have to make qualifiers when I say I like Star Wars movies 😉

    • Superflukullus

      I agree this movie feels like it just established more plot holes on top of TFAs. JJ is the wringers choice to direct Episode 9 he is infamous for only being able to start a story not end one.

    • CadeSky

      You can be happy that Nien made it out okay!!! Poor Ackbar though…

  • JediJones

    It was the best of the Disney Star Wars movies so far. It was a flawed but sincere and thoughtful effort. Mark Hamill was the standout. Based on this, his acting career never should’ve fizzled out. What was done with Luke here was infinitely more interesting than Han’s meaningless presence in TFA. The movie will earn some high marks from people because it ends on its strongest scene, one involving Luke. Johnson manages to paper over a good amount of the crapstorm he was handed with TFA but is hamstrung by other aspects of it.

    Separating Finn from Rey was a g0dsend given their wretchedly awful chemistry in TFA, where Rey looked like she was ready to file a sexual harassment suit against Finn as soon as he left her alone for a minute. Finn had much better chemistry with Rose. Rey also had good “rival” chemistry with Kylo. It was great to see Luke criticize Rey after every hero in TFA praised her as G0d’s gift to the universe for no reason. Thanks to that, she did not feel like a Mary Sue this time around. Poe was also given much more to do and more dramatic scenes to work with. He feels like a worthy addition to the Star Wars canon now, and should be turned into a more central character in the next movie.

    However, Rey was still not relatable like a lead character should be because Johnson failed to resolve ANY of the mystery of where Rey’s powers came from. Maybe he was ordered to leave that up to Jar Jar Abrams in part 9? Rey continues to be a blank slate of a character who we cannot figure out. No explanation was given as to how Phasma came back either. Johnson also was not able to fix the “original sin” of TFA which is that the most interesting part of the story, Luke training Leia’s child and his fall to the dark side, was left to be told only in truncated flashbacks. The flashbacks to that stuff in this movie feel utterly contrived with no sense of reality to them.

    Although the movie ends on a strong sequence, it has some misfires and sidetracks along the way. The casino planet was just a dead end for the plot. And it included forced subplots pushing politics and moralizing. This preachy, treacly stuff had no place in a Star Wars movie. This planet also highlighted just how awful the creature design has become without Lucas at the helm. Every one of Lucas’ creatures could be plucked out and given its own B-movie. The creatures here feel culled from the Harry Potter and LOTR reject piles. The creature design was the one aspect of this movie worse than TFA.

    Overall, the movie had better dialogue, better acting, more originality and less predictability than TFA. Johnson is clearly a much more intelligent human being than Jar Jar Abrams, who has done nothing in his career but plagiarize other people’s material. On some occasions though, Johnson tries too hard to “trick” the audience with the “twist” trend that’s been all the rage in Hollywood for the last decade. In order to surprise the audience here, characters make massive reversals in their behavior without always providing any explanation why. Someone wants to lock up Poe for mutiny and then later says he’s a great guy? WTF?

    I definitely appreciated that Johnson did NOT end the movie with another space battle. The ground battles are underrated in Star Wars. Here we get a pretty exciting one for the climax. But Johnson shows weakness as an action director at times. The battle with the Praetorian guards looked like a first failed rehearsal for one of those TPM “Jedi dance fight” scenes. The choreography there was cluttered and unconvincing. The only action scene that felt up to the level of a classic Star Wars set piece was the Falcon chase through the cavern during the climax.

    Johnson has a pretty fundamental problem here making the action as “fun” as it was in Lucas’ 6 movies, from the Death Star chasm swing to the Grievous wheel bike chase. Nothing much feels escapist in The Last Jedi. This feels like a weighty drama we’re supposed to navigate as an intellectual challenge. The Christopher Nolan influence is strong in this movie. Johnson darkens the mood by focusing too strongly on the rank and file soldiers and troopers in the movie. So instead of feeling exhilarated by an action scene where everyone gets blown up real good, you feel like you’re supposed to be shedding tears and scheduling a funeral service. That is the biggest way in which this movie departs from Lucas’ work and in my opinion it’s the most regrettable aspect of the movie. Star Wars movies are supposed to be about light, Saturday matinee entertainment at their core. This film opts out of the innocent charm of the series for something much more difficult, dreary and dark.

    • dogbite

      I liked the space seal milking, that was some grade A creature goodness

      • JediJones

        The Ahch-to creatures were better than the Canto Bight creatures for sure.

    • The humor was mostly crap though outside a few jokes. Where was Han’s funeral too?

  • Logan

    I’m on the west coast so my movie just ended a couple hours ago. I enjoyed it, it was much better than TFA in my opinion. I do think TLJ left a few unanswered questions and got lazy by answering those left in TFA. If you don’t read the books the question remains, Who is Snoke? We also waited 2 years to find out Rey’s parents are drunk scavengers. Really? This is the best they can do. Phasma’s character was never used to her full potential, a waste indeed. When I saw Luke standing in front of the “walkers” I was hoping he would pull a Dark Empire. That was too much to ask for and a wasted opportunity to give OT fans a little something. Overall I thought Rose was great, Finn wasn’t as annoying and more likeable, the battle scenes were awesome, and the Rey/Kylo team up was great. They made Snoke seem better than Palpatine but wasn’t used properly. His death would have been better off in the 3rd movie. It’ll be interesting to see what JJ does to finish this off. Overall it’s a very watchable and entertaining movie and well done.

    • JediJones

      Well, we waited three years to find out “the other” was Leia in 1983. LOL

      • Logan

        That’s because the movies were released 3 years apart before. The “other” turned out to be an important and beloved character. No one with know or give a crap about Rey’s parents because they are nobodies.

        • JediJones

          My only issue is that origin utterly fails to explain her magically appearing Force powers.

          • Logan

            That’s another unanswered question, thanks for reminding me. They also went away from the reincarnation of the chosen one plot. When she was in the cave at the island and asked who her parents were instead of seeing herself she should have seen Anakin and all the chosen ones from the past. That would have explained the reasoning for her powers.

          • JediJones

            That scene feels like a dead end like the whole animal rights campaign on Canto Bight.

          • Logan

            Lol. Yeah, it was a pointless scene. Bottom line, I feel that diehard Star Wars fans are never going to be content with the new films. Disney is steering away from any George Lucas ideas and being conservative with their decisions. I don’t think episode 9 will answer all questions and will leave many more unanswered.

          • Carbonite_Hydrates

            I’m not so sure Kylo Ren was telling Rey the truth.

            And what was the deal with Rey in the hall of mirrors?

          • Funtomaz

            Because the Force awakens! 😀 Even stable boys without any training can use Force pull… 🙂 I think this will be the central idea of the new trilogy… You no longer need to train for decades, you no longer need a master teaching you things, you don’t need to follow some ancient philosophy… everyone can have the Force if they happen to have the talent. And the Force is the only teacher you need, you discover everything yourself. Mind tricks, Force Pull, levitation etc. Instant gratification! A very 21st century idea 😀

          • Chezwa

            Basically Kylo and Rey are so powerful because no one else is using either side of The Force. If more people start using The Force their powers would decline.

    • Kylo is hardly the most reliable source of information.

      • Logan

        I hope your right. Why the hell was he so interested on a girl he didn’t know in TFA only to find out she’s of no importance because of who her parents are. If she was a Palpatine I would see how it would peak his interest.

  • JediJones

    Although this had more originality than TFA thanks to not aping the ANH climax, why are these movies still using so many recycled tropes? Did we need another “Sith boss” on a throne trying to tempt someone to the dark side with red guards around? They even re-used the Emperor theme for part of the scene.

    We get another old Jedi on a primitive planet who lives in a hut and is reluctant to train a new, young Jedi because he fears he/she will fall to the dark side and has too much “bad blood” in him/her. The whole wise master who won’t train a plucky kid but then gives in is a super tired cliche, seen in Karate Kid, Wonder Woman, etc.

    The Falcon flying through a narrow chasm in order to blow up TIE Fighters that stupidly follow it.

    Another hive of scum and villainy filled with aliens. But this time they’re also “obviously” arms dealers and war profiteers so it’s okay to savagely murder them. And these dirty dealers are against animal rights too! Oh and I bet they “colluded” with the Trandoshans too.

    More hyperspace jumps and re-entries…way too many. More showdowns with Star Destroyers and suicide missions crashing into their decks.

    We’re also competing here with Star Trek: Into Darkness for the prize for the most destroyed spaceship that’s still capable of keeping plain clothes humans alive on it.

    I will give high praise to the showdown scene with Luke and Kylo in the dirt. That was breaking new ground for the series and worth the price of admission.

    • I still don’t get how Luke died. Guess I need to read the novelization.

      • JediJones

        I’m figuring the effort of using the new projection power was too much for his heart.

        • Good as any. I’m just glad Chewie actually got to do something this time around even if it was just fly the Falcon though Artoo got fridged again.

          • JediJones

            The sidelining of C-3PO and R2-D2 into meaningless cameos in the ST is just a crying shame.

          • Carrie Fisher was better in this but the flying scene is dumber than anything that’s ever happened in the worst EU novel/comic/video game. My Brother stormed out of theater over it and he’s just a casual fan.

          • JediJones

            The Carrie Poppins scene.

          • They ran out of SW films to rip off so they stole from GOTG2. Maybe seeing the rushes is what caused her to relapse? I can’t really blame her.

          • JediJones

            The only thing she never relapsed into was sobriety.

          • Kylo’s ugly mug did it.

          • JediJones

            Movies like this exist to teach us that ugly people are evil and cute people are good.

          • If not for Finn the hunchback.

      • Shoretrooper

        His death was so poorly handled. It was an after thought. It was a “wait. What?” moment. Not a “NOOOOOOOOOOO” moment like Han’s death.

        • JediJones

          But Han died as a loser. Luke went out like Logan did, as a hero who achieved something with his death,

          • Carbonite_Hydrates

            And does anyone here think Luke is actually gone?

        • I still liked it better than Han’s but I felt more for the R1 deaths than either. At least he faded away and could come back as a force ghost I hope.

      • Carbonite_Hydrates

        Yeah that’s a head scratcher? Was he hurt? Did he just become one with the Force? Did he totally exert himself?

    • Carbonite_Hydrates

      At least we got a different outcome with the Sith on the Throne. This is the first time we’ve seen the apprentice successfully replace his master to lead the forces of evil.

      And while, yes, that is recycled. It opens the door to explore totally new ground in Episode 9.

  • Shoretrooper

    Why didn’t Luke have the green lightsaber on Crait? We’d literally seen the blue lightsaber get destroyed literally moments before. Seeing it somehow perfectly reformed and back on his belt made me instantly think “this is either the worst continuity error ever or this isn’t real”.

    • JediJones

      Did he lose greenie in the Kylo night attack flashback fight?

      • Shoretrooper

        One of MANY unanswered questions….

    • I liked we got see him with both though it sucks he never had an in person reunion with Luke but at least we got to hear the great Brother/Sister theme again.

    • Funtomaz

      I think that’s easy to answer… Projection Luke was his idealized image. Younger, better clothes and he obviously, despite his earlier reaction, has an emotional attachment to his very first lightsaber. So he chose to project it, instead of the green one. The green one is tainted anyway, it was the weapon he ignited to kill Kylo until he immediately decided otherwise. And this is his one big regret that sends him on his path. I wouldn’t be surprised if the green lightsaber was destroyed or discarded.

      • Matthew Vandebogert

        yeah its nort a continuity issue at all. it was intentional for him to have His lightsaber. It was lost and refound. the broken saber was still with Rey. now we will see Rey have to make her own saber in IX.

        • Funtomaz

          She’ll repair Luke’s saber, my guess at least

          • Matthew Vandebogert

            i hope so. i know there is this overehelming “Kill the past” going on but sometimes tge old ways are still the best. and keeping Anakins saber is a good thing. i think there is more to Reys lineage than 2 pieces of trash that sold her for money.

      • Tyler Frechette

        I like your explanation about the blue vs green lightsaber. I was very confused to see that he wasn’t fighting with his green one. I didn’t know if this was sloppy storytelling or intentional. Still don’t.

  • Shoretrooper

    The Finn death fake out was so cheap. I actually got interested when I thought they were going to kill him – THAT would have been “daring” or “risky” (not all these other things people are claiming). The musical, acting and story cues were all there. Finn had nothing more to live for at that moment. His death would have made sense in the story. Instead it was just a cheap fake out moment of false crisis.

    • JediJones

      I was SO happy he was going to die and not be in part 9. So sad he lived.

  • Kinetic_Koala

    Unpopular opinion, but I REALLY loved Phasma after all that the comic series and novel did for her. And people clapped upon her badass entrance in the movie. And then… she goes out like a punk.

    I do not think for one second that we’re done with Luke, or that he’s truly dead. Excited to see more of Renperor.

    • It does beg the question if he is so powerful then how did he ever lose to Rey in TFA.

      I really expect to kiss her in the elevator too.

      • JediJones

        You can’t do that any more in the age of sexual misconduct.

    • CadeSky

      I have the same unpopular opinion as you. The novel was really good I thought. Very sad that Phasma was treated really no better than she had been in TFA. Really a missed opportunity.

  • JediJones

    Did we really need the whole “hope” trope recycled from Rogue One all the way up to the awkward ending? Sorry, Hollywood, Obama’s ancient history now.

  • Shoretrooper

    Canto Bight is one of the worst things I’ve ever seen.
    The alien designs were all awful, like a bad episode of Doctor Who.
    Why was everyone dressed in Tuxedos?
    The guy with the rose badge looked like he was straight out of Casablanca, not Star Wars .
    Why was Finn so distracted and gleeful at being in a casino? He was on an imperative mission, the consequences of failure would mean the death of all his friends. He didn’t have time to be distracted by bright colours and loud noises.
    I am dumbfounded that he said “you know what, it was worth it” after they failed to recruit DJ and just had the falthier chase. WAS IT WORTH IT? YOU FAILED AND ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE NOW GOING TO DIE BUT IT’S OK BECAUSE YOU GOT TO RIDE A SPACE HORSE AND SMASH A FEW TABLES AND BREAK A FEW WINDOWS.
    The stable boys and the Fern Gully horse trainer were so cringe. I can’t believe they chose to end on a meta cheesy moment of the kid sweeping and then holding the broom like a lightsaber. They had a perfectly framed shot, Carrie Fisher dead centre that they left before that unnecessary epilogue – that should have been the last thing we see in The Last Jedi: Carrie Fisher at the heart of it all. Not a cliche.

    • Yeah the aliens were probably the worst in this film. Not a single memorable one.

    • zx_spectrum_30

      The whole Space Vegas bit was pointless imo, could have cut it completely and the film would lose nothing (Rose could must be an awesome codebreaker)

    • CadeSky

      Whether it worked for the story too well or not, I like the idea of Canto Bight as a location. It’s something a little different, and that’s what I continue to love about SW movies. You’re right though, definitely a Doctor Who vibe from that place and the aliens.

  • Superflukullus

    Paul hasn’t posted his opinions yet so either he loves it or hates it.

    • JediJones

      That or something in between.

      • Superflukullus

        TLJ is the only Star Wars movie that I think will be either you love it or hate it. I’m seeing it a second time tomorrow before I solidify if I saw a good movie with really bad parts or a bad movie with some excellent parts.

        • Nah, It’s mediocore SW like TPM not great SW like Empire/R1 or awful like AOTC/TFA which is probably the best we can hope for from the house of mose.

          • Superflukullus

            Looking at the audience score on RT and IMDB it seems to be a movie that’s splitting people in terms of opinions. You either love it or hate it. It seems that theirs no middle ground. Luke was blatantly disrespected in this movie though.

    • Mlox

      I don’t think that even has to be a question.

      He will hate it. He has already hated it, before it even premiered.

      I’m sure in a few hours he will come on here and tell me or others, “You don’t know my mind!!” But we kind of do already. All his comments point to it. The obvious is he hates the ST, thinks R1 is the best SW film we’re going to get from Disney, the Prequels are now great, and he’ll probably believe this film is packed full of snowflake, SJW fanfiction. Nothing is ever going to steer that behemoth of an opinion in a different direction, no matter what TLJ was going to be.

  • JediJones

    So how many Praetorians were in the film and of which costume designs? Which figures are needed to replicate the Throne Room fight?

    • I don’t get why they fought rather than run afterward but it’s my favorite action scene in the ST though that’s not saying much considering what Abrams will do to IX.

    • The visual guide says there are 8 which consist of 4 unique designs who then have a pair.
      It seemed in the film there were four meh ones and four powerful ones.

      • CadeSky

        I haven’t figured out what that 4th design is yet. Visual Dictionary comes in today…does it show the other design?

  • Shoretrooper

    The status quo of the galaxy makes no sense.
    In The Force Awakens the First Order were amassing in secret and hadn’t revealed themselves to the galaxy, yet somehow there was a ‘resistance’ movement opposed to them.
    In The Last Jedi the First Order are somehow a dominant power, controlling the galaxy through military rule (how or when did that happen since TLJ is literally hours after TFA and Star killer base has only just blown up – the First Order should be reeling. How have they established military rule?), and the ‘resistance’ is now a ‘rebellion’ (despite the fact this is the moment the title ‘resistance’ would actually work) but now at the end only has ten members and no allies? (Since no-one answered the call)
    What the heck is going on?
    At least the status quo in the prequels was explained and made sense.

    • Have you read Bloodline yet? Makes a bit more sense. I wish the author did some ghost work on the ST.

      • Shoretrooper

        Not yet… don’t really want to have to do homework before watching a film…

        Is it worth reading?

        • My favorite in the new canon though that’s not saying much. Really explains the political situation after Jedi and where the First Order came from.

        • Brux Macoy

          A film must be judged for what it is. If it needs of comic books of novels to explain stuff, then it has writing issues.

    • Carbonite_Hydrates

      My guess is the First Order had amassed a sizable fleet and armies which were less than or equal to the New Republic’s military forces.

      In the power vacuum created after Star Killer Base destroyed the Republic Fleet, the untouched First Order military was able to rush in and takeover systems unchecked.

      • Shoretrooper

        Impressive if they can do that in a matter of hours. Unlikely given the incompetence of their leadership.

        But then again the resistance are even more incompetent so if that’s the only thing standing in the First Orders way it’s hardly a challenge…

        • Carbonite_Hydrates

          It’s so hard to tell what the scale of anything is in these movies or how much time has passed.

          In this movie was saw a rebel fleet made up of three ships. And one First Order Fleet. We also don’t know how big the New Republic was compared to what we saw in the Prequels.

          • Shoretrooper

            Agreed. And that’s my problem with the sequel trilogy: we shouldn’t be using the phrases “hard to tell” or “don’t know” about the basic concepts of the sides we’re supposed to be (not) rooting for.

    • CadeSky

      Yeah, you’re pointing out some very valid concerns here. It’s very strange to me to think that all of this happens IMMEDIATELY following the events of TFA. The other trilogies made it clear that time had passed and that there were many adventures had along the way. This makes the scope so much smaller, actually.

      Also, makes Finn’s injury in TFA so cheap. Looked like he was killed, but in the first few minutes of TLJ he’s running around the ship again.

  • Carbonite_Hydrates

    So who are the Knights of Ren?

    • El_tito

      Snoke, Rey’s family (don’t buy the story given), so many questions

    • JediJones

      They, uh, couldn’t come because they were sleeping…or drunk.

    • I can’t think or say the name “Kylo Ren” without thinking of Ren and Stimpy.

  • dogbite

    Here are a couple things I maybe noticed, will verify on repeat viewings…

    1) Rey in the weird Force mirror thing, she sees two silhouettes, one short, female on the right, tall male on left, come together into one, the shape of Kylo Ren/Darth Vader’s helmet(?) where her own reflection should be. Also, why would Kylo Ren be honest with Rey about her parents? She’s clearly insecure or not sure what to believe, he will manipulate her as he sees fit (“You’re nobody to anyone but me”, etc)

    2) Is Snoke dead? I thought I saw movement in the face, maybe the eyes or the mouth, when Hux first enters the chamber (also how brutal the death for that one poor Praetorian caught in the token throne room fan style ventilation shaft, red chunks for everyone hurray!), but I can’t tell if it was like a sorta subtle “Hah! See, he isn’t really dead…” or more a post mortem twitch to drive the point home that yep, he really dead. I like the idea of the dark stumbling upon the ability to persist in some sort of grotesque undeath, just as the light has found their niche with the force ghost thing, they both become larger than their previous schools of thought would have allowed for. Maybe Luke & Snoke’s “death” was about this bigger picture playground.

    • CadeSky

      Yeah, something was weird about the mirror scene, unless it’s just RJ messing with us. I feel that the story of Rey’s parentage is going to have some “adjustments in IX.”

  • Captain America Trooper

    Need confirmation, did that kid at the end force pull that broom?

    • Darren Robinson

      yes

      • Captain America Trooper

        The Force is awakening all over the place! Luke had to be haunted by a ghost before he could use the Force. Force millenials.

  • Captain America Trooper

    Rian totally punted the Death of Carrie Fisher to JJ.

  • Caius

    Cool and shocking was the death of Snoke but such an easy out to not have to explain any back story of him. Was just starting to like him till he split. Too bad. Also think they should have let Leia die in space. That was a silly and unrealistic scene and she really had little purpose after that. A lot of rehashing of dialogue we’ve heard before. Enjoyed the movie. Visually lots of eye candy but too simple/ obvious a story. Fun but only sligjtly more memorable than TFA. Oh and adios Phasma. Thank the maker.

  • Captain America Trooper

    Yay! A new use for my BMF’s escape pod!

  • David Pilnacek

    I have seen it twice now and for some reason I absolutely loved the movie the second time around. Strange, the first viewing I was overwhelmed by the twists and turns and had a hard time processing the movie. Great movie

  • holy Q

    You know what, I have so many things in mind, it would take hours to write them down now, so I just keep it short and tell all those people who actually liked the film, or at least left the cinema with a postive feeling, I really really envy you. I wish the movie had the same, or a similar effect for me. But sadly it is the first time I felt personally offended by disney / the movie and people can officially call me „hater“ now, because right now I just simply hate all those missed opportunities and flaws the movie has. At least I realized what a positive impact Harrison Ford had on episode 7, this time not even Luke could save it, especially not this Luke (not about acting, Hamill did well). I am going back to work now and trying to calm down…

  • Stefanie Buchmann

    Are you kidding me Disney? I was ready to walk out. The worst ever. Rian Johnson and Disney have no idea what Star Wars is to the fans, let alone the characters created by George Lucas. Every scene in the movie had to be a mockery ? Really? Every scene had to be a comedy ? It is pretty obvious that this movie clears the way for Abrams to destroy the Star wars brand further as done with Star Trek. Star Wars was degraded to another mediocre fast paced movie with no story to sell more socks and toothbrushes. Now that all the old characters have been wiped out the anticipation for Episode 9 is ZERO! Episode 9 will be the real test when it comes to money made through the movie, to see how good it is that you have created. Episode 8 again uses Episode V and Episode 9 will have the story of Episode 6 reshot, to make it look new. That was not anythnig fans wanted to see. Those with a simple mind or those seeing their first movie might like it, in the grand scale of things you will loose more and more long time die hard fans. This movie was a kick in the nuts for them. Johnson cleared the way to wipe everything out so Abrams could start his next generation Star Wars crap. Kennedy, Johnson, Abrams, Disney, you have destroyed the Star Wars Magic for the sake of making another dollar which you would have made anyways, but now you betrayed the fans, the story, the future of Star Wars.

  • Mbraze

    I’ve never woken up the morning after a film feeling as bummed out and, well, sad about a film as I have about The Last Jedi.

    It’s becoming apparent to me that The Sequels are going in a direction that I can’t get on board with. I’m really glad people are loving them (I mean, I know people hate them but I love the prequels), so I won’t shout them down for liking them.

    For me, the biggest issue was the constant lowbrow slapstick “Marvel film” style comedy. I think pretty much every main speaking character in this film ends up on the floor after slipping over, being thrown by something, or blasted back from something – and most of them are played for laughs. We get beaten over the head with visual gags, or the same punchline about 3 times in a row when just once is fine – pretty much each moment undercuts any moment of emotional weight – that’s the biggest problem with this film for me. Sure, the prequels had some missed humour (and toilet humour which I can’t stand), but they didn’t try it every ten minutes.

    Storywise, I was never going to be invested that strongly after all my issues with TFA, the Resistance/First Order/Republic dynamic STILL doesn’t make any sense, and they left it in even more of a mess, I have no interest in following it. So, the Resistance can now fit their entire forces into the Falcon. We were left with the stable boy imagery supporting the new Rebellion yet NO ONE CAME TO HELP THEM AT CRAIT AFTER HEARING THEIR MESSAGE.

    The lack of backstory for Snoke was hugely disappointing. Yes, The Emperor didn’t have much, but he was an entity referred to in the original. We know The Empire is in charge, he’s the big bad at the top. The problem with Snoke is that we don’t know where he’s been while The Empire was in charge – we don’t know what he’s been doing as he’s clearly supposed to be older and more powerful than the Emperor – how did he corrupt Kylo? Why does every character seemingly know who/what he is yet we don’t – that’s bad writing.

    The film seemed like it was trying really hard to correct/address/discard a lot of TFA setups, which missed the mark, felt really at odds – this isn’t going to be a cohesive trilogy.

    I feel like I’m just going to be labelled a “hater” – I went into this film excited and really wanting to love it, but I was left cold and sad, rather than the anger I felt at TFA.

    Fingers crossed for Solo. Probably won’t want to do the midnight showing for IX.

    There was a lot to unpack on top of those observations, so briefly:

    The Good:

    Kelly Marie Tran/Rose – GREAT character – I went into this worried about all her pegwarming merchandise but she was the standout. So natural, so relatable – made Daisy Ridley seem wooden and disconnected by comparison.

    Laura Dern/Holdo – great character – the moment she tore the Mega Destroyer apart was AMAZING.

    Poe – actually had something to do this film, really like him.

    Kylo – still think he’s great and compelling.

    Praetorian guards – cool design, great fight.

    DJ – scene chewing character but not slapstick like the rest of the humour.

    Phasma’s death. Enough said.

    Porgs. They were fine.

    The bad:

    Goofy Luke – I could deal with him being jaded and disconnected from the force, but man, he wasn’t good in my eyes.
    Leia flying in space – I’m sorry, but way to undercut a moving bit of music with ridiculous imagery.
    The flashbacks with Kylo/Luke, poorly framed and not well written.

    The ugly:

    Hux – turned into a weird crybaby.
    Snoke – WHO IS HE WHAT IS HE WHY IS HERE WHERE HAS HE BEEN – Now we’ll never know, it’s not satisfying.
    Maz Kata playing playstation VR.
    EVERYTHING on Canto Bight – what a waste of time and resources.
    Bad alien designs. Terrible alien designs.
    Slapstick everything.
    Luke using the blue lightsaber after it exploded. WHY?

    The utterly devastating:
    Admiral Ackbar’s offscreen death.

    The “Meh”:
    Luke’s death was so underwhelming and random, and seemed like such an afterthought. Disappointing way for him to go. I just felt nothing. At least seeing Han get killed ripped my heart in two and made me shed a tear in the cinema.

    I’m really bummed out by this.

    • Steve Barmash

      I do agree with the slapstick part, very annoying and took away from the movie…

      Luke had the lightsaber because he wasn’t actually there. You will notice his feet don’t make the same red marks on the salt like Kylo either, a giveaway that he is doing it with his Mind

  • Darren Robinson

    I have seen the movie twice and enjoyed it so much more the 2nd time around. There are so many shocks and twists, yes some of the humour is bad and yes Hux is just a slapstick character now. The overall power of the story wins through and they have been brave enough to change the rule book. Overall the acting is great, the lines are not too wooden. Kylo and Rey are brilliant, Leia steals every scene, the Porgs are spot on and Yoda works a treat.

    After my first viewing i was thinking 7 out of 10 but now it is 8.5-9 out of 10.

    • grugz

      tbh hux was a bit of a cartoon in TFA as well,his hitler spitty rant was slightly cringey he comes off as a spoiled brat who THINKS he’s in charge and more important than he actually is. I will have to make time to see it again in the cinema soon.

    • David Pilnacek

      I was the same, the first time I saw it, I was numb trying to process what I had just seen. But the second time around I was thrilled and excited. Loved the movie especially in IMAX. Great score by mr Williams

  • grugz

    I think “the force awakens” wasn’t just referring to rey, I believe it was an awakening of the grey force rey saw in herself not exclusively good or evil. the stable boy had the force as well so t’internet will be going crazy predicting if he is jar jar and asokha’s love child. I think its setting up the new wave of films.

  • Captain America Trooper

    After watching the movie, what toy do you most want to buy and which do you regret buying.
    Want= Gamestop’s Snokes 6″ throne room figure
    Regret= Hot Wheels Resistance Bomber. What an awful ship, and so damn slow!

    • Jerry’s Finger

      I want SA middle aged badass Jedi Luke!!!

      • Captain America Trooper

        So say we all!

    • Funtomaz

      Projection Luke is a must have!
      Canto Bight police looks interesting.
      We will not get Vice Admiral Holdo, but I’d like a figure nevertheless.

      I think figures of DJ and Snoke might become peg warmers. And Phasma? Hasbro might as well put her in a landfill by themselves!

    • Indiana Skywalker

      Want= N/A
      Regret= Paige and DJ
      New= Lactating Sea Cow (must have a function similar to the Jabba Glob figure from the TPM line)…I kid…Vice Admiral Holdo.

      • Captain America Trooper

        So gross, hahaha!

    • CadeSky

      Want: more Praetorians. Wish there was one with the electro-whip weapon.
      Another want: the Tie Silencer (but I know this is being held ransom as a Christmas present lol)
      Regret: I don’t regret a thing. If I had bought a Snoke figure, I would definitely be regretting.
      New: I would like another Canto Bight police officer, with the cape that wasn’t included with the one that came out already.
      Another new: Holdo!!!! Please!
      Another new: Projection Luke, definitely

      • Chezwa

        The Amazon Praetorian 6 inch comes with the electro whip, sadly its made rigid/straight. In the 3.75 scale the praetorian that comes in the Toys R Us exclusive 2 pack Force Link thing, and on that one its at least molded curved

        • CadeSky

          Jeez, I feel stupid now because I have the Amazon Guard and have him displayed with the other weapon. I forgot that he came with two! But yeah, it’s not really that cool as just another staff. Hmm I will never get that Force Link pack (already have one). Oh well. Thanks for the info!

        • Funtomaz

          SHF Preatorian is the action figure of your choice for non rigid electro whip 🙂

    • Matthew Vandebogert

      i really really really want Projection Luke!

    • Rivesjunctionite

      This may be incredibly stupid, but I want a two-pack of BB-8 and the drunk alien who tried to play him like a slot machine. And a green milk sea cow. And obviously SA Force Projection Luke.
      Ironically, I completed my TLJ collection the day before I saw the movie. I didn’t miss anything I wanted.

      • CadeSky

        No judgment whatsoever, but I absolutely don’t want a sea cow lol.

        When RJ said there was a 3 hour cut of the movie and mentioned that a lot of good stuff had to get cut out…well, I was wondering why exactly the sea cow remained. I guess it does show just how desperate Luke has become, and how limited his resources are on Ach-To.

        • Rivesjunctionite

          If they make a sea cow, it needs to squirt water out its udder.

          • Funtomaz

            Nerf Cow? 😀

          • Rivesjunctionite

            Now you’re thinking. It could shoot water out its udders and nerf darts out its mouth!

          • CadeSky

            Haha wasn’t there a slime squirting Jabba that came out for TPM? Include a little jug of green milk with the sea cow for extra play features.

          • Rivesjunctionite

            Yes, exactly! That was the TPM line. Great precedent.

      • Matthew Vandebogert

        yeah a BB-8 and that alien would be a cool 2 pack.

    • Darth_Rizzen

      Want: The SH Figuarts versions of TLJ Luke and Rey (not really toys, but hey.)

      Regret: Snoke and four bloody SH Figuarts Praetorians. I KNEW I should have waited until after the movie! ???? Throne is OK though. I guess I’ll have Kylo sitting on it now.

      New: a 6″ Hux, so Kylo can have someone to wipe the floor with.

      • Captain America Trooper

        Knew that you would want some SH Figuarts.

        • Darth_Rizzen

          I actually felt paint for the one that got creatively stabbed in the eye. Ow…

    • safari4ad

      Holdo, crystal foxes, middle aged Luke, the rest of the Praetorian Guards with the different weapons

      • Captain America Trooper

        CRYSTAL FOXES, WORD!

  • Matt

    The movie left me reeling. All of my expectations were dashed. As opposed to having “SPOILERS” listed as the topic title, it should be replaced with “QUESTIONS.” The only real spoilers in the film are the ones involving people who died. But those “big” deaths are all easily disputable. Snoke went down way too quick. And Luke? If you’re gonna die, die in a fight! Maybe that’s just me clinging to some sort of ideal. But like a lot of you said, this really opens up the possibilities to episode 9.

    I did have an epiphany a few hours after seeing the film, that Kylo is the protagonist in episode 8. Rey definelty took the spot in 7. I’m betting that episode 9 will unite them in a way that none of us can imagine. With Snoke and Luke gone, there’s has to be a greater good/evil in the film that carries them onward.

    • Funtomaz

      Kylo is definitely the focus this time. And he’s much more interesting as a character than Rey, because he has so much internal conflict. Let’s hope JJ doesn’t make him THE villain in Ep IX. I also think that Kylo/Rey may represent the new way the Force is approached, no more separate “dark” and “light” side. They will find what that mosaic on Ahch-To showed, a balance.

  • Blizzard Force

    Loved it absolutely loved it. However much I would have loved to have seen a confident non projected luke taking on kylo Ren ( although what we got was still amazing) I totally get why they took this route.
    The film was funny, exciting and looked amazing.
    It’s interesting how much was tossed away – snoke, phasma, akbar! Knights of Ren nowhere to be seen, Maz rellegated to a tiny scene.

  • Jimmy Griffin

    Paul? Buddy? Want to talk about it?

    • Rivesjunctionite

      I would be shocked if he liked it. Genuinely shocked. It seems like every complaint he had from TFA was just magnified 10x in this one. Jokes weren’t funny, porgs were annoying, BB-8 was completely unrealistic, Poe is incompetent, Leia is Space Supergirl, Rey is even more of a Mary Sue, Kylo is as annoying as ever, and Finn/Rose were pointless. And they ripped off ESB and ROTJ constantly. AND the movie seemed to say that our generation that loved the way things used to be should just die and clear the way for the young kids.
      But I could be wrong. I’m not Kylo Ren. I can’t read minds 😉

    • Johnnie Sky_Walker

      Maybe he destroyed the cinema and now he’s in jail

      • CadeSky

        Oof hope not!

    • CadeSky

      The more time that goes by, the more we just want to know!!

  • Coleman Miller

    I’d rather watch Attack of the Clones on a 24 hour loop. The original trilogy had been ruined as have the Jedi & Luke Skywalker.

    But look, I know some people will like it, that’s fine. Not going to troll anyone over that.

    • JohnMorog

      You’re weird..

      • Coleman Miller

        I’m not weird. My parents had me tested.

        • I used to think I was weird but it turned out I was bit dyslexic so I was actually WIRED. Wired for sound in fact, which is a good thing because the Edgar Winter CD I bought from eBay arrived today and along with this premium German beer I can enjoy some entertainment without the disappointment of another heaping helpin’ of Disney’s hospitality! Then again, maybe I am weird. Still, the spoilers have confirmed my suspicious and the $10 I’ll save can buy some Chinese take-out tomorrow instead. I’ll trade General Hux for General Tso anytime!

  • Wayne Collins

    I absolutely hated it. Loved Rogue One, was ok with E7, I can even live with the prequels, but this IMO was a steaming pile of crap.

    Come back George Lucas. All is forgiven.

    What role or difference did Rose, Dj, Finn, Poe, Leia, Phamsa, those Porgs or Luke for that matter make to the story line. Take any of those characters out of it, and the end result was the same. They had no purpose to the story line.

    The only plus points was the building of the Rey and Kylo characters.

    What they done with Luke was plain stupid. No wonder Mark Hamill had an issue with it.

    Way to much comedy in it. The Poe/Hux scene was cringe worthy. Rian Johnson may just have alienated half of the Star Wars fan base with this mess.

    Basically it was two hours of “catch the pigeon”. Very very poor writing.

    All that was missing was Micky Mouse putting on his top hat and tails, and doing a musical number with the Porgs! Episode 8 was almost a parody and send up of Star Wars.

    • JohnMorog

      You’re weird.

    • This made me laugh so hard: “All that was missing was Micky Mouse putting on his top hat and tails, and doing a musical number with the Porgs! Episode 8 was almost a parody and send up of Star Wars.”

    • thelastwookie

      You might be right.

  • Indiana Skywalker

    Rather than discussing the numerous aspects that I was not fond of, I will instead state some of the aspects that I found enjoyable….so in my opinion:

    -Poe was given an adequate amount of screen time and character development
    -Seeing Carrie Fisher with Mark Hamill on screen again was moving
    -Laura Dern performed admirably
    -The Porg scene by the camp site was humorous
    -The mention of Darth Sidious and the hubris of The Jedi Order by Luke had promise
    -The lighsaber duel against the Praetorian Guards was visually interesting
    -Yoda appearing to Luke was surprising
    -The “Flock Of Seagulls”/80’s music video effects moment with Rey was pleasingly nostalgic for me as a fan of those early videos
    -Witnessing Leia using The Force (however awkward) was fun
    -Rey’s parentage was addressed (although not quite what I had in mind)
    -Seeing Luke holding the legendary ROTJ lightsaber again was nice

    I believe that is the extent of them at this time.

  • JohnMorog

    You’re weird if you didn’t/don’t like this movie.

    • Rivesjunctionite

      Yep. Breathtaking.

    • ExarKun777

      Well, I guess I live in Weirdville now.

      • JohnMorog

        No, you can live with everyone else, you just have to wear a sign around your neck that says you’re weird because you didn’t like TLJ.

        • ExarKun777

          Naaa, I’m fine in my old town, thanks hehehe.

  • Tyler Frechette

    I’m going to see it for the 2nd time tonight. But let me just say a few things.

    1. The only “ESB rehash” scenes are the gigantic Star Destroyer (Snoke’s, reminiscent of then Executor), the battle of Crait (like Hoth in SOME ways but still feels fresh), and Luke training Rey (still different enough to not be like Dagobah).
    2. Hux is no Tarkin/Veers, and Phasma is equally lame in this movie as she was in TFA. She’s no Boba.
    3. The whole “chasing down the Resistance Fleet” thing didn’t really make sense to me. I get that the FO fighters would stick close to their ships. But why not jump to light speed to the flanks, and then jump to light speed in front of them, to cut them off and decimate them, rather than wait until they run out of fuel? Doesn’t seem very sensible or effective, and I feel like it doesn’t take Thrawn to figure that out.
    4. Luke taking the incredible barrage of all that firepower was just… Wow. I did like his showdown with Kylo. And I expected him to die… but not quite the way he did. It wasn’t pretty mind-blowing. And beautiful.
    5. I fully expected Kylo and Rey to team up to take on Snoke, but I did NOT expect Snoke to die. And I have to wonder if he is really dead. See: Darth Maul.
    6. I expected Kylo to turn. Never thought for a minute Rey would turn. She’s the new hero, that would just be too much. But I thought they would take Snoke on togethe in 9, not that Kylo would become the ultimate baddie. Very interesting.
    7. I think Finn being saved at the last moment… didn’t help his character. I would have liked him more if he had made that ultimate sacrifice, since two movies in a row now, he is a coward…

    • Funtomaz

      Maybe hyperspace jumps can’t be fine tuned to only jump a couple of miles? But the whole “our ships are slower in sublight” was awfully convenient.

      After some thinking… the Holdo maneouver creates a serious logic problem for the entire saga. If you can hyperjump into solid objects and destroy them… why did no one do that with the various Death Stars? Just line up some ship, put it on autopilot or have some droid fly that thing and all your worries are gone!
      Holdo most certainly didn’t have a sudden insight into hyperspace flight mechanics, it must have been a known fact that you need a clear path to hyperjump?

      Also: how could Han Solo go into hyperspace from the hangar of his cargo ship in TFA? Why wasn’t the Falcon destroyed? Why wasn’t the cargo ship destroyed?

      I wish they hadn’t done this. It creates more problems than it solves.

      • Matthew Vandebogert

        that ship would still be tiny compared to the Death Star so maybe it would have taken the entire fleet to destroy 1. and maybe it wouldnt completely destroy the DS. the ship was torn apart but there were still 2 halves of the ship. it wasnt obliterated. so a waste of resources for a hit or miss chance? idk just seems the rebellion had a limited number of large cruisers. As far as Han jumping out of the freighter the doors were open so he didnt jump through a solid object.

        • Funtomaz

          Aim at the center of the Death Star, take out the reactor etc – no more superlaser. You don’t need to destroy the whole structure.
          Or just aim at the superlaser dish. The Death Star is such an easy target for kamikaze tactics.

          • Matthew Vandebogert

            its the size of a moon. to for sure hit the reactor core enough to destroy it completely, look at the size of the ship used in TLJ, she didnr get very far distance wise b4 her complete destruction. it also just tore through a narrow path. so while its possible to do its not a very smart plan. the reactor core was deep inside the death star. so w hat would happen to a ship trying to jump into hyperspace? i dont think it wouod get far enough inside b4 it would be destroyed. be like hitting a wall. just diesnt seem to be an effective plan. could it work? maybe. be interesting to study the physics involved.

      • Tyler Frechette

        Completely agree. Cool scene but it opened up a can of worms.

    • Matthew Vandebogert

      Luke was projecting himself as he “should be” the blue lightsaber was his original saber. it wasnt real. it was part of the projection. Rey still had the physical broken saber.

      • Tyler Frechette

        No I understand it wasn’t the physical saber. I’m saying that doesn’t explain why it wasn’t his green one.

  • HothHan

    I got home and put The Phantom Menace on to remind me why I love Star Wars…so that what I though of this film.

    • ExarKun777

      Agree. These new films do not feel like Star Wars to me (Except Rogue One in some parts).

  • Rivesjunctionite

    Can we at least get some love for the BMF escape pod?

    • HothHan

      Ok that was cool.

  • RumSleg

    I so badly wanted Ben to come back to the light in this one, and I was very disappointed that he didn’t. Luke’s passing and Ben’s staying dark are my two biggest disappointments with the story (not necessarily the same as saying whether it was a good story or not). But after sleeping on it, I recognize that Ben had to stay dark at least until 9, or else there would be no villain for the last movie.

    • Rivesjunctionite

      There would still be the might of the FO. They basically run the galaxy now.

      • RumSleg

        True, but they’d be kind of a faceless might. The Rebels could fight Hux and seek military victories, but where would the personal battles for Rey and Ben come from?

  • If you’re interested, I posted my own first impressions HERE:
    http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/2017-12-15-first-impression-opinion-last-jedi/

    • RumSleg

      Finally! 🙂

  • stephen bamford

    5/10 for me.
    Help us Dave Filoni your our only hope

    • Robert Froelich

      Dave Filoni has created the best, most “Star Wars” feeling content of anyone for the past 10 years. Not all of of Clone Wars or Rebels was great- but so much of it rose to a level of greatness we haven’t seen from the past two movies. Rogue One gives me high hopes that the non-skywalker saga will be pretty good too – here’s to hoping Solo isn’t a train wreck.

      Okay Disney- time to sign up Dave Filoni to creating his own trilogy. If anyone could handle and Old Republic trilogy- he certainly could. Dave if you are reading this – any chance I can score even a two second cameo as an aging Jedi Master?

  • RoguePilot1

    I consider myself a die-hard fan having grown up with the trilogy. I have always loved the original trilogy and it will always occupy a special place in my heart no matter how many other SW films come out. That being said, I am a fan of the other movies like the prequels and rogue one and I liked TFA. But, when I walked out of the theater yesterday after seeing TLJ, I had mixed emotions. I too felt there was too much comedy in the film. Luke never really joked in the movies before and now it appeared as if he was practicing his stand up routine. The whole Leia using the force in space was terrible. Being blown out into space and still surviving is so far a stretch of the imagination it actually bothered me. Captain Phasma was so under-utilized yet again it was almost a waste to have her in the movie. Luke dying in the end does not make any sense. He used his abilities to appear somewhere across the galaxy and it tired him out so much that he died from it??? At least Yoda was over 800 years old and Obi-Wan sacrificed himself at the hands of a lightsaber but Luke died from what…exhaustion??? I liked the Porgs believe it or not and I liked Carrie’s performance. And someone supposedely so powerful as Snoke gets killed that easily and that quickly. And who is Snoke? Where did he come from? No backstory??? Something as to who he is and where did he come from? It’s a shame we won’t ever get to see her in another film again. Overall, I enjoyed the film but it wasn’t my favorite and I kind of walked out feeling a bit disappointed. I am going to see it again in IMAX tomorrow so maybe it will sway my opinion slightly but there is no getting over how some of the issues I raised about can be overlooked…at least for me. I will be a Star Wars die-hard fan until I die, and there will apparently be enough movies to perhaps last until that time since this is Disney’s new cash cow, but I hope the movies going forward live up to what I remember SW to be and that they don’t “water down” the franchise. When Lucas created SW, he did so from a vision of passion and to tell a story based on mythology and creativity…I hate to think, although it is likely, that Disney is simply making SW movies to recoup the billions they spent on the franchise and now on 20th Century pictures, and don’t have the drive or passion that Lucas had in 1977.

  • ExarKun777

    I liked it as a stand alone film, it has nice scenes and battles. But I did not like it as part of Star Wars. Too many bad jokes overshadow the good moments, and I was hopping Luke will have a fight with someone (vs Kylo,Rey, whoever) but did not happen, he stayed on his island for the eternity (yes, I’m not counting his projection power). Well done film, but I’m not taking it in account as an Episode of the saga (alongside TFA) .

    • RumSleg

      I wanted to see Luke fight with a lightsaber again, too. So, so badly. Projecting a vision of yourself that can’t be cut with a saber, and with a saber that can’t cut anything, doesn’t count for me. 🙁

  • Funtomaz

    Oh my… only 62% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes. That’s almost as low as TPM or AOTC. I wonder if there’ll be a fan backlash and if bad word of mouth by those who hated it might hurt box office.

    • Don’t worry, they’ll get SJW groups to organize and give the film high remarks. And these scores will come from people who never see the film. They have keep a film that prides itself in inclusiveness high in the scoring!

    • Where can I see this information online?

      • Funtomaz

        Just go to Rotten Tomatoes and click on The Last Jedi. They have the Tomatometer for the critics and then there’s the audience score. And now it’s down to 60%…. on its way to least liked Star Wars movie ever?

    • CynF

      Wow, the vitriol being heaped on the movie is something to see at that site. You can see the folks who are having trouble just looking at this movie through a less nostalgic lens. Sure there are holes or issues but the number of 1/2 star reviews with nothing but hate are a bit surprising.

  • Hazzbro Jonez

    i love the iron coming down onto the FO uniforms like a ship landing gag. that reminded me of a muppets joke for some reason. this movie was too funny tho. i don’t really watch these films for the jokes nor was it humor that attracted me to this franchise

  • The Newt

    Long time lurker, very rarely posting on here.

    I’m glad you enjoyed the film Paul but a bit surprised. I’m a SW fan whose first experience was TPM but this started my love affair with the films and I have time for the prequels as well as the unbeatable OT.

    The Force Awakens was obviously a copy and for that reason it was the weakest of all the films. HOWEVER, I had a lot of questions coming into TLJ which I was intrigued to find out about, such as: who is Snoke and how did he influence the rise of the First Order? What is Rey’s lineage? How will Phasma return and become relevant?

    Every major question was answered in such a horribly disappointing, anticlimactic way. Snoke’s initial involvement led you to believe he was going to be a real threat…but he was weak in the end and cast aside. What a waste of a (now) irrelevant character. Don’t even get me started on Phasma because she was clearly included just to see cool merchandise.

    As much as The Force Awakens was a poor rip off, it set this film up for potentially huge plot twists and answers to our questions which would have vindicated a weak first film. But instead we got an 80s slap stick comedy (seriously, all it was missing at times were comedic sound effects) with utterly bizarre scenes like Leia’s Superman-esque revival.

    There were countless ex machina moments where solutions were introduced that made NO SENSE. Weak story writing like that isn’t what I associate with these fantastic films.

    Similar to your comment on animal rights stuff being added in…did we really need the lecture on capitalism too? How all those wealthy people were terrible…come on Disney this is escapism not a lecture.

    The biggest issue for me is that SW has always been ‘believable’. It tried to appear serious and real, but this film added in so many jokes that I couldn’t escape into the film and ‘believe’ it.

    I’m glad others enjoyed it but this has killed my enthusiasm for any SW in the next few years if Johnson wants to take it in this direction 🙁

    • holy Q

      great comment, sad but true, thx for posting.

    • I don’t disagree with anything you wrote. I have resigned myself to the fact that Disney is no longer making Star Wars movies for people like me. After The Farce Awakens, I was ready to give it up. That’s how terrible that film is to me. I think because it’s so bad it has hurt the direction TLJ could have gone. But as I pointed out in my review, there were major strides taken to make these characters more relatable and interesting. I think the film has major issues, but I just think that’s what we have to expect with Disney trying to develop a property they know nothing about.

      • The Newt

        I understand a lot of people (like yourself) hold the opposite view to me, in that TLJ is a better attempt than TFA. Here’s my main gripe…Lucas always said SW was made for 12 year olds but all ages loved it. I felt like this film was really targeted at people 12 years old or younger, without any real features which bridged all ages. All that made me feel excluded from the magic of SW for the first time in my life.

        Thanks for replying, it’s nice to hear the thoughts of a fellow avid fan. Maybe it is time to accept these films aren’t made for us anymore and learn to embrace the crumbs of excellence we’re given, like Rogue One.

  • JediJones

    A Rose by any other name would still have eaten too many cheeseburgers.

  • JediJones

    The idea that a large Imperial ship or base can’t defend against small fighters, even though they’re extremely vulnerable to them…does not compute. Especially after the Empire should’ve learned their lesson after ANH.

  • Arm3nch Tripplehorn

    Ackbar deserved to have Amilyn Hold’s death, he was a hero and he didn’t deserve to die like that.
    Though I’ve liked Amilyn Holdo.

  • Darth_Rizzen

    “This is not going to go the way you think”

    This tagline from the trailer is a perfect description for the events of the actual film. ????

    I came in fearing yet another bland rehash of ESB, ending on a “oh, come ON! ????” cliffhanger in a recycled ROTJ Emperor’s throne room, in yet another Death Star.

    And yes, most of these things happened. And more. SO much more.

    What I liked:
    * Rebooting the reboot!
    I just couldn’t help thinking that Rian Johnson took a long, hard look at TFA and the criticism people aimed at it, and decided to clean up J.J. Abrams’ mess as impishly as possible. ????
    Captain Phasma goes down in a somewhat more dignified way than down a garbage chute, of course (despite Chrome Dome), but I think it’s safe to assume that this generally useless and incompetent character won’t be coming back. My only regret is that Gwendoline Christie didn’t get to do anything much in the end. Pity.

    Snoke the Powerful turned out to be half the Sith that the Emperor was… Rian Johnson must really have despised that second rate Palpatine to make him repeat the Emperor’s words almost to the letter, only to off him in such a slapstick way. Excellent! ????

    * Luke: he’s no Obi-Wan, he’s no Yoda, he’s at the end of his (crude matter) road and yet… He’s just Luke. A well meaning hero, incredibly powerful (that finale!!!), but still unsure of his path, doubtful of his abilities, and haunted by the perspective of giving in to the Dark Side. Just as he chose to believe in Anakin when everyone told him there was only Darth Vader, he chose to step away from the brink and spare his nephew.
    The consequences were horrible to him and the galaxy at large. It may seem weird that he would cut himself off from the Force. But I can buy this. In the context of the film, it works. And the on-screen chemistry with Leia was priceless.
    The twin suns setting and Luke becoming one with the Force did bring a tear to my eye.

    * Leia: tired, disgusted, sad to see good people go, but her resolve is still intact. And while the space flight scene was clumsily handled, it also showed that while she never got to become a Jedi, she has learned some rather spectacular tricks. I wonder what will happen since our favourite Princess makes it… But Carrie Fisher did not, sadly. ☹

    * Rey: The writers did not explain how she became the absurd SuperRey… Instead, they brought back Rey of Nowhere. And for that, I am grateful. Just a girl trying to get a grip of what’s going on, somewhat afraid of something inside, half dormant, very powerful and disturbingly connected to the Dark Side of the Force. Her power, and her difficulty to understand it, reminds me more of the “Phoenix Force” than just “the Force”.
    Her vision in the magic tree strange cave was something new. Neither a warning nor an attempt to scare, but something of an allegory… Time? Cycles eternally retold? The inescapability of fate? Very interesting indeed.

    * Rose: sold as the “comic relief” character, she’s anything but that. After TPM that introduced the reality of slavery under an indifferent Republic, and Rogue One that showed the life of average people crushed under the Empire’s boot, Rose tells us how some kids born without a fair chance heard the stories of the brave Rebels and chose to stand under their corporate/First Order oppressors. The little guys just might be that “spark” that will light the fire of revolt. Not super warriors, not brash pilots, not mighty heroes.
    I loved her story, determination and never-say-die attitude. And the fact that she’s schocked some sense into that FN-2187 coward… ???? I’d love to see more of her.

    * Kylo Ren: still angry, still prone to violent outbursts, still conflicted… But he’s also the most successful Dark Side apprentice since 10BBY!
    It’s as if Rian Johnson tried to imagine what would have happened if Anakin Skywalker had won on Mustafar.

    * The “Resistance” is no more. Long live the Rebellion! It’s just a name… But a name that carries meaning. To us the viewers, and to the people of the Galaxy.

    * Poe: the one-dimensional brash pilot learns the meaning of living to fight another day, and not sacrificing his teammates for a blaze of glory. Good!

    * Finn: he was more subdued and less obnoxious this time. I liked the scene where DJ explains to him how the galaxy functions… And demolishes some of his illusions. Good call!

    What I didn’t like:
    * The First Order: elevating incompetence, complacency and sheer stupidity to an art form. ????

    * Where did they get all those ships?!? TFA established them as a regional power that couldn’t afford wasting resources, and now they have ships and resources that dwarf the Empire’s (a resurgent class cruiser is much larger than an ISD), and can apparently shrug off the loss of Death Star 3.0, a dreadnought and Snoke’s flagship.

    * J.J. Abrams will direct Episode 9.

    * We still don’t know how Rey suddenly became SuperRey… But the writers did recognise the issue and tried to address it without utterly and completely retconning TFA. Not 100% convincing, but I’m willing to give them a pass.

    * J.J. Abrams will direct Episode 9.

    * The Canto Bight subplot was great as a universe building detour… But just served no purpose in the end except delivering the Rebellion’s escape plan to the First Order.
    Also, apart from the drunken slot machine addict, I can’t remember any of the patrons…

    * Ackbar unceremoniously offed. Just like that. The Mon Cal veteran deserved better.

    * J.J. Abrams will direct Episode 9.

    There would be so much more to discuss (Admiral Holdo, the pervading sense of loss and disappearance of the past that courses through the movie) but this is really really way, way, way too long.

    So…

    TL, DR This was the make or break episode for me. It’s a make!

    I really liked it, I’ll definitely watche it again (and again). The good far exceeded the bad and the meh for me.

    Merci, monsieur Johnson. La Force est avec vous!

    • hammyhamster

      OK… I was 50% right. You enjoyed it and I hated it more than I thought possible.

      It must be a Canadian / French way of looking at Star Wars. Must be! 😉

      • Darth_Rizzen

        I guess! ????

      • shane

        To me it’s down there with TPM and AOTCs. In fact it maybe the worst Star Wars ever to be honest. I can’t decide if it’s a 6 or 7 on my scale of 1-10. Probably a 6. But not 7.5 as I am continually getting more ticked off thinking about it. Do you give it a 5 or what ? And I’m lost n this gigantic thread.

        • hammyhamster

          Too bad you can’t see my true feeling review… It’s actually in the post Paul put up about his thoughts, not this one 🙂 There was nothing I liked about TLJ. I’m pretty sure that TFA will finish above it for me, and you know I can’t stand that movie.

          BUT check out the recent article about “fake reviews”. I posted something recently (so go to new comments) with two videos in it. One where ET Canada spoke positively about it after the screening (relatively), and then one video done a few days ago where they just trashed it. Pretty much what they guy said during the trashing video is what I felt.

          It’s the worst Star Wars movie and I don’t care about the next one at all. Sucks…

    • Funtomaz

      Something tells me you are not looking forward to JJ Abrams directing Episode IX….

      • Darth_Rizzen

        What could possibly give you this impression? I have no idea… ????

        You actually read all the way down here?! Unglaublich! ????

  • Paul Berry

    It often takes me a while to process a Star Wars film and exactly what I feel about them, not something I have with other films and tv shows its just the weight of expectation and my closeness to the subject matter makes it hard to go in blind.
    My initial first impression was mostly positive and I think it just fell slightly short of being one of the greats. It was Mark Hamill’s film and he carried the film beautifully, I really bought into this jaded world weary Luke and his nomadic existence. The Ach to scenes were beautifully shot and by far the best parts of the movie. Daisy Ridley also grew on me after coming over very green in The Force Awakens. John Boyega I thought was a bit wasted in this film and I dont think his dynamic with Rose was fleshed out enough. In fact all the new characters were somewhat superfluous particularly Benico Del Toro’s DJ. R2 and 3PO also seem to getting more and more irrelevant to this new trilogy and were little more than set dressing, Yoda seemed off whether it was from years of watching a CGI version but this new puppet didnt look quite right.
    The film managed to feature plenty of surprises and bold choices and will they wont they get out of that, at one point I was pretty sure both Leia and Finn were a gonna. The use of Fisher was slightly odd given her absence for a lot of the movie, and although they couldnt have known what was going to happen I wonder if her role was minimised for some reason and Holdo brought in as a substitute. Although the space scene would have provided a get out for them I was glad the character didnt go in this way and sadly we arent going to get any pay off for the force powers thing which presumably they would have come back to in 9.
    I liked Snoke’s scenes a lot and killing him off unexpectedly was a bold move albeit robbing the trilogy of a strong character. Adam Driver’s Kylo continued to impress but I was less than impressed by Domnhall Gleeson’s pantomime performance as Hux, as Hux’s part seems to be getting bigger and looks to continue into the next film I would have thought a more layered approach to the character would have been appropriate. The Hux scenes remind me of the movie’s biggest problems in my opinion and one that undermines The Last Jedi in many places too much contrived humour.
    For me the lighter side of Star Wars has always been charm rather than slapstick comedy and the movie had quite a few moments of charm I even thought the Porgs were okay. No it was the slapstick combined with that post modern smart alecy style of dialogue that spoiled the movie in a few places. It was almost as if Disney have a wall chart detailing the amount of comedy moments required dare anyone start taking the movie too seriously. Too much of the humour felt innappropraite and shoe horned in. The Canto Bight sequences were easily the weakest in the film and after some of the beautifully shot stuff on Ach To, the CGI chase felt like we had jumped into another lesser movie.
    The more I think of the movie the more it reminds me of some of the early modern Battlestar Galactica episodes with a fleet on the run constantly trying to outrun an oppressive power. The tension towards the end was gripping and but I think it could have been even more palpable if the movie hadnt been so concerned with lightning up. At one point I thought we were going to get a Sixth Sense style revelation that Luke had been a force ghost all along, but the idea he had been manifesting his spirit all the way from Ach To worked well, as he slipped away into The Force it brought Lukes story full circle in a satisfying way.
    At various points in the last fifteen minutes I expected the camera to iris out into the end titles and the ending was not quite what I was expecting but intriguing all the same. Is the mop haired kid going to be a featured character in nine or just represenative of the rise of the Jedi and the Rebellion?
    Episode 9 represents an open canvas although it feels a bit as if the story isnt advanced enough for nine to round everything off satisfactorily. I had similar issue with the prequels where the end of two I thought was more where we should have been at the end of one and then three had too much to cram in. I think nine also needs to continue to push the boundarys to justify this trilogys existence, this one pushed it a little bit but were still basically getting a reworked version of the same basic premise as the original trilogy. I’m not quite sure where they could go at this point, but I think some thing other than The First Order is needed to shake things up.
    All in all though I think The Last jedi had a lot going for it and I’ll probably become more forgiving of the flaws on subsequent viewings.

  • LimeGreenandTangerine

    I hated it. Yes, they did lots of things that were different and unexpected, but I don’t go to movies to be shocked by crazy plot twists for the sake of them. It’s just so tonally off, worse than TFA even. All the humor made me feel like I was watching an MCU entry. I guess that’s what people like these days, but it’s not for me.

    I really liked Rose as a character, and her and Finn’s storyline. I was kind of surprised that so many others didn’t. Wish we had gotten to see her interact with her sister before she bit the dust, or for her sister to speak, even.

  • Language please

  • One of the very few things I liked about TFA was that there was ample screen time for Chewbacca. How does Chewie fare in the new film? No one’s mentioned much of him so far. It sounds like he’s being upstaged by those little mutant penguin looking things. I cannot and will not spend money or more importantly time to sit through this movie to find out if Chewie makes it or not but I hope the character was treated with some degree of dignity. Yes, my favorite SW character of them all is Chewbacca.

    • Funtomaz

      A spoiler for you: Chewie has less than a handful of very short scenes:

      1. Bashing in Luke’s door and a short exchange with him
      2. Roasting a Porg and then not eating it because of Porgs
      3. He pilots the Falcon during the end battle but is seen very briefly only

      All in all I’d say it’s about 5 minutes of screen time for him.

  • Darth Maleval

    This might be a silly question, but is it possible that the ship Holdo flew into hyperspace survived? Don’t know all the physics involved, but at that speed I was wondering if it just blew to bits or sliced right through the other ship (like firing a bullet through an object, for example).

    • Jack’s Raging Bile Duct

      I would imagine it was scattered into atoms. Han alludes to what will happen if you are not careful flying through hyperspace in ANH. I’m pretty sure it’s a neat way to end up dead.

      • Gloriouscollector

        Yup R.I.P. Amilyn Holdo.

  • Gloriouscollector

    I think Abrams wanted Johnson not to use the Knights of Ren, I think they will probably have a bigger role to play in Episode 9.

    • darthmadonna

      I was thinking about this. It makes sense. TLJ answered a lot but not everything as it shouldn’t . I too would like to know more about these knights. Now that Kylo is the Supreme Leader he is going to need some minions. IMO perfect opening for the Knights of Ren.

    • darthmo

      They need to appear in Ep9. I hope Kylo goes full Vader wannabe amor surrounded by his Knights of Ren taking positions of leadership like a medieval round table of sorts.

  • Gloriouscollector

    Also this trilogy seems to have very simple stories to tell, makes sense since this is the sequel trilogy. The original trilogy is known for that.

  • Jaxx Saber

    My Supreme Leader Snoke tattoo is absolutely not ever going to be cool.
    Bad decision on my part.

  • Paxsondm

    The DJ code breaker even has a scar on his face that’s the exact angle and in the exact spot as the edge of boba fetts visor on his helmet!

    • Paxsondm

      Maz refers to him as a great pilot and heavenly with a blaster

  • As an unapologetic Captain Phasma fanboy, I feel like Charlie Brown getting the football taken away after being assured by Lucy otherwise lol. Its a longshot I know but maybe she survived.
    Also, wouldve like to have seen some Lando fan service.

    • Darth Maleval

      I think it is entirely possible that she survived. She fell into or through fire, doesn’t mean she died. Her armor was made or chrome (possible chromium), if so it has a high resistance to fire/melting. Totally plausible I would think.

  • Han solo’s flying gloves

    The cringy comedy moments ruined it for me, especially the opening scene! Emotional scenes were then comedy then back to serious,very annoying for me.Luke meeting Leia after all that time only to say ‘ive changed my hair’ please….
    Didn’t feel ‘star wars’ at all.
    Kylo ren with his shirt off give me a break..Star wars was one of the last bastions to not need sexual scenes of sorts to sell it.Just a love story with emotion I suppose.
    I thought Adam driver’s delivery of kylo was superb surprisingly & mark hammil saved it being below a 5 /10 for me.
    Maybe I am an old fart hung up on OT, But I loved rogue one & Edwards knew Vader was the ultimate draw of a classic character.These classic characters were not handled with care imo.But at least I know where I sit in the star wars universe now!
    Not against new films in any way,But this effort really disappointed me.
    RIP Admiral Ackbar………No more traps gutted.

    • Blair Pettis

      I don’t understand the criticism re the inclusion of humor. The original trilogy had plenty of light and/or humorous moments.

      “Laugh it up, Fuzzball!”

      • Han solo’s flying gloves

        I agree the OT had humour,But it was in the right places and did not seem forced or in for the sake of it.It felt like I was watching a MCU film you know?
        I was waiting for iron man to pop up and crack a joke lol…

      • darthmadonna

        “Walking carpet”

    • Pete

      “one of the last bastions to not need sexual scenes of sorts to sell it”? I guess you missed the part where Lucas put Princess Leia into a metal bikini (that got a photo spread in Rolling Stone mind you) and was permanently ingrained into the minds of prepubescent boys everywhere and continues to be an example of “sexy sci-fi costume” 34 years later.

    • Selective memory with that sexual scene observation thing? One of most iconic bikinis came from Star Wars and for better or worse cemented Carrie as sex symbol in her own right…and lets not forget that fetish-y leather get up on Padme in AotC.

  • I didn’t think it was terrible, but I have no idea how Rian Johnson could claim he grew up with the Original Trilogy. I actually wonder if he has actually seen the original films. He is only 6 months older than me and handled the characters like a novice would.

    • volkerc

      Everybody is entitled to his opinion. I’m not voicing mine to convince others. For me there is no Star Wars feeling. Episodes 1-6 had credibility. By credibility I mean that when watching a movie the directors job is to tell a story that I can believe, aside from the fact that there is no sound in space, a lightsabers blade would be infinite, and so on. But a director and the story and the actors job is to try make me believe what I see could be real. That level of convincing the viewer has been achieved in all previous movies. Even in TFA to some extend. Not in TLJ. First of all Wars are not funny, death is not funny. Star Wars is a movie/Saga that includes war and death and the story about the Skywalker family, good and evil, so what posessed Johnson to make fun of everything. Hux, a walking clown, how many walkers firing at once on Luke, not leaving a crater, Bb8 shooting coins, Finn walking around with leaking hoses, nobody cares, Poe greeting Bb8 like a puppy, and so on. Where is the magic? It’s gone, when Yoda showed up setting the tree on fire babbling like a lunatic, that destroyed the character. Johnson destroyed all the old characters. No real drama, no emotions just Three stooges comedy. Carrie Fisher didn’t deserve this, neither did Mark Hamill. In the old days when Yoda spoke about the force, you listened in aw, now I just wanted him to shut up. When Luke addressed Rey and said, what did you think I would swing my lightsaber against all of them? That was addressed to the audience. I don’t even wanna how many thought when they heard that, heck yeah, would have been at least a better story. They have no clue what they did with this movie, still tapping on their shoulders thinking they did a good job, because they only look at the money coming in. The masses make up for it, which is also shy they don’t care about collectors anymore. 10 Kids and parents eventually buying some figures make up for collectors lost. When collectors tell me they are done after seeing this movie only buying on clearance or not at all than the movie has caused damage which Disney is not seeing because in the grand scale of things they have money rolling back in, but it could be much more. They are just not capable of doing the right thing, and now it’s too late. Since 2013 i noticed a change and I have been told that the collecting numbers suffer. Take for example the value 6 inch figures . 4 in rogue one packaging have been released, Darth Vader, Death Trooper, Rey, Kylo. Guess who you can find as left overs at the stores? Plenty of Reys, some Kylos, and Finns because he shipped with the assortment in Tfa box. So the new stuff has problems selling, the same goes for Tfa stuff, they couldn’t give it away. This time Hasbro was smart and most of the toys were released ahead of the movie. We will see where all this leads to, but one is certain Johnson damaged something for me that was a part of my life for 4 decades by damaging the characters that started with the OT. If the leftovers in stores are an indication of what to expect for Episode 9 opening weekend, then have fun Disney. A lot of the hype for the new movies came from the fact that the “old” actors would be back, they kept the hype up by pushing Mark Hamills main acting into TLJ , well no more old crew, now what should I be excited about for 9? Rey killing Kylo? Who cares? Finn making out with Rose? Poe marrying Bb8? Chewbacca stealing the Falcon with a Porg as new co-pilot and running off? Snokes dead, Phasmas dead, Ackbars dead, Laura Dern who’s acting was also terrible, dead. With Rogue One it was a necessity to have all heroes die, just oart of the laid out story by Lucas, a lot of spies died for the plans. Anyways, to those who like it enjoy. Looking at rotten tomatoes gives a good impression how people think. I was really hoping this movie would turn things around, but no. Luke could have turned to the dark side avenging Han, killing Kylo that would have been something, but a fleet that gets shot out of space like sitting ducks, lame.

  • Shannon Vokes

    I feel everyone is to hard on these movies. Its pretty much a guarantee that no Star Wars movie will live up to the OT nor will every fan boy care for them. I happen to like both Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. I like it because they were good stories with a real Star Wars feel. I like them because they pay homage to the old, while ushering in the new, and I really like it because my kids and nephew are now as die hard fans as I have been all my life. These are kids that were my age when I saw the original trilogy. Sure Force Awakens is a direct rip off of New Hope, but what is wrong with that. They took a concept that they knew worked and tweaked it for a new generation. I mean come on… The original movie is 40 years old. It doesn’t matter how gritty or how different they tried to make these movies, they would have never lived up to a bunch of peoples expectations. Acting as though the original trilogy is the holy word or something is ridiculous. Has everyone forgot about Ewok’s? Some of the dialog alone is bad enough to make people cringe in the OT. With the exception of Super woman making a cameo appearance in space, I liked pretty much everything else about the last Jedi. I look forward to seeing how Abrams wraps it all up.

    • Stefanie Buchmann

      WRONG! Rogue One already lived up to the OT.

  • rebelsfangirl

    I saw it last night, later than I wanted. I thought it was amazing, I think possibly it has supplanted ESB as my favourite Star Wars film. As much as I loved TFA I had nowhere near the same emotional investment in that as I did in TLJ, it just hooked me in. Some highlights in roughly chronological order:

    -Paige Tico. Wow. Powerful storytelling and character in, what, a minute or two of screentime? Wonderful, powerful scenes. You see her devotion and strength and belief with barely a word spoken
    -Poe being held accountable for the losses he suffered, not having the all too common ends justify the means heroics.
    -Leia. Just a magnificent performance by Carrie Fisher, which makes it even more bittersweet. I know some people didn’t like the force floating scene but I liked it, I mean she is a Skywalker, the idea her strength of will and Skywalker connection to the Force could proper her to safety makes perfect sense to me. The Mary Poppins visual I was a little less keen on, but everyone in my cinema audible gasped and cheered when it happened.
    -Rose Tico: Wonderfully written, beautifully acted. What a fantastic addition to Star Wars. Like her sister, so strong, but vulnerable, brave and bold and so full of belief that the universe could be better. I absolutely love her, and Kelly Marie Tran is just gift.
    -Finn, seeing him grow from a frightened defecting ex-child soldier to a calm, brave soldier over the last two films was inspiring, and his fight with Phasma had my heart in my mouth.
    -Canto Bight. I really liked the moral nuance this added to the galaxy, taking it beyond simple good vs bad, without taking the moral ambiguity too far either. Good, understated storytelling.
    -The confrontation in Snokes throne room. Tense, powerful and with an unexpected outcome to say the least. Those people who think Rey and Kylo are going to get together in the next film are delusional.
    -The Battle of Crait, so intense, so emotional. Luke turning up was incredible, Rose risking her life to save thin was beautiful, the whole darned thing was an emotional rollercoaster
    -Rey. Great acting, a great arc carrying on from TFA with her still struggling to find her place in the universe. Lovely perfromances from Daisy and Mark together too.
    -Porgs. I was worried they would be overdone, and some people might have thought so but not me. Cute and some welcome comic relief in a very emotional film.
    -Luke. What a perfect “end” to his story (we know he will be back as a force ghost in IX). After saving the galaxy once, he helps reignite the spark that will save it again, and in doing so came to terms with his own failure to revive the Jedi.

    I do think certain plot points, especially Luke, will be divisive and fair enough, not everyone is going to like that. But I felt they build wonderfully on the foundation laid by TFA and the notion that the heroes of the past aren’t necessarily the heroes of today.

    I started crying at the dedication to Carrie Fisher, too.

    Minor nitpicks:
    -I was sorry to see Tallie die, Star Wars really has it in for female pilots. Give them a name and there is about a 95% chance they die. It would have been nice for them to establish her as a kind of Wedge type support character, seeing as they couldn’t get Jess Pava back.
    -Phasma. Honestly that was such a classic villain ending, falling through the flames, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if she ends up returning in IX with the left side of her face burned. If not, then really she was quitewasted. I could forgive it in TFA, she was a last minute addition, but to get a couple of minutes in TLJ and then be killed off would be a joke. Gwendoline Christie deserves better.

    • Stefanie Buchmann

      Can I have some of what you’re smoking? Might help me forget this terrible movie.

      • rebelsfangirl

        Sure, it’s called “grow up and realize taste is subjective and just because I like/dislike something doesn’t mean others are wrong if they dislike/liked it”.

        • I completely agree with you! 🙂

          • rebelsfangirl

            Smart. :p Hehe.

    • darthmadonna

      I really liked it also and after seeing it I told my bestie , the way I could describe it was I would put it in the same box as Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith.
      But most of the things you enjoyed are right in line with my thoughts.

    • Darth Maleval

      Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the movie. A lot of people don’t feel the same way, but I’ll be one to say I really enjoyed the movie!
      I also think that Phasma will be back, all she did was fall into some fire (wearing an entire suit of chrome armor). She’ll be fine.
      I’m also really curious as to how they will write off Leia in Episode IX.

  • darthtrajk 666

    There was some great moments in the movie, the planets, the space battle sequences but they got Luke wrong in my opinion. I agree with the forming of the temple and that he would have issues training some new students, but they should have tied in the Solo twins and other Jedi instead of creating Ben Solo and Rey for this story beat. The EU stuff with Luke is what I see to have occurred with him not this. These movie makers focus more on money making and politics than just making a damn cool story. I really wanted to see Luke just show up and fight Snoke and I didn’t get it. It would have been awesome to see him take down that old bastard. It is also going to be cool to see that they are going into a different direction now instead of the same story beats. The galaxy is wide open now and that should make for good stories. My story would be a bunch of force users struggling to unite in the name of Luke and the Jedi to take down First Order installations across the galaxy. Throw in some dark side users or Sith who unite with the underworld for control as well and just go from there. They have so much stuff to use from the games, comics, novels, ETC that they are not mining for usage in this universe. Lucas himself said there was treasure trove of stuff they can use. Just goes to show what happens when corporate takes over, they have no idea what they are doing.

  • Even if its just a static piece, I would like to see the vulpix cast in translucent plastic with embedded sparkles (or something)
    And is it just me or did Luke’s outfit on Crait remind you of the comic pack uncle Owen action figure?

    • darthmadonna

      Yeah I figure the Vulptex is small and could be tough to produce. So yeah it would be cool if they went static at least make a couple in different poses and in the clear glittery plastic like you mentioned. I would like to see some more Porgs , a little nest with chicks. They can use them accesories with the figures. Ooh I want to put a little nest in my BMF. lol

      About Luke I thought saw a dark tunic under his robes that got me thinking was it a piece of his ROTJ outfit

  • safari4ad

    All of these!! But especially Holdo and the Vulptexes (Vulpti?). A fathier and a SA box set of all the Praetorian Guards would be up there too.

    • darthmadonna

      I am really thinking about Phasma with that cracked helmet, reminiscent Vader’s mask after his fight with Ahsoka in Rebels. Then I think about Hasbro’s Dagobah Vader and the Force Unleashed Vader. Phasma would be cool like that and throw in her staff.

  • It was everything I wanted TFA to be as it was totally different direction and unique sense of vision, distinct from Lucas. the only thing I wonder going forward is if will seem too out of place seeing as how the chair is going back to JJ for EP9.
    I didnt like the pay off for some characters like Phasma or Snoke, but Adm. Holdo is one of my favorite ancillary characters from the new trilogy so far, despite essentially being a one off character. If you are going to do one-off characters thats the way to do them. her death and overall presence had more of an impact on me than Snoke and Phasma combined.

  • darthmo

    I really enjoyed this film overall. What irked me was Del Toro putting on a stammer, it constantly threw me out of the picture focus-wise. Plus I felt his casting and Laura Dern were too overpowering for the simple roles they had. But the rest of the film I can live with even some of the leaps of suspended disbelief plot-wise and for me it was a massive leap forward from TFA.
    I just don’t know how JJ can wrap this new saga up successfully following TLJ, I think his style won’t sit well following this film.

  • Philbrick

    General gripes, comments and observations:

    Kind of disappointed at how short-lived, unknown and uninteresting Snoke’s role in this leg of the trilogy seems to have been…but his death freakin’ cool!

    I still think Kylo is just an angsty punk, a wannabe…he just doesn’t strike me as a serious bad guy. He’s trying too hard and failing, he just needs a wedgie. I wish Luke hadn’t admitted to hesitating, so that maybe we could’ve had a real villain instead of an emo kid with daddy issues.

    I LOVED that Yoda showed up to chew Luke’s butt about being a senile old hermit, and the laugh/dance thing he did after lighting the tree on fire was probably my favourite scene in the entire film.

    Leia’s space flying sequence was kind of stupid. Luke dying didn’t surprise or upset me…I long suspected he was on his way out, given his lack of a role in TFA. Rose was a great cohort for Finn. Porgs weren’t that bad. I want a vultpex. DJ was a turd of a character. Glad Phasma is gone, she sucked too. Wish we had learned more about Rey, but I’m pleased she’s coming more into her role and abilities as a Jedi.

    I dislike how social justice warriors have hijacked most film discussion and are attempting to use the film (or inferences they drew from it) to push some sort of agenda.

    • “I dislike how social justice warriors have hijacked most film discussion
      and are attempting to use the film (or inferences they drew from it) to
      push some sort of agenda.”

      That’s their lot in life, and we’ve been made to suffer for it.

    • Also, can you provide me links where these horrid people are doing this? I am curious? Isn’t it sad they wake up day after day looking for the devil in everything?

      • Philbrick

        There’s several articles floating around. I googled Last Jedi SJW, found quite a bit. Hot topics were “toxic masculinity” and “mansplaining”. I’ve heard those buzzwords thrown about, but had to research what they meant in SJW parlance, and how SW is apparently full of both.

        It is indeed sad. It would be a pathetic existence to be that miserable and bitter all the time.

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