Posted by Paul on September 12, 2017 at 5:01 PM
THERE IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE! StarWars.com has updated their original story to note that Episode IX will now be released in theaters December 20, 2019.
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It makes sense. Abrams was the one who lobbied for TFA to be pushed from May to December. He’s essentially starting over so more development time can’t hurt. And Star Wars has been very successful for Disney in December. I wouldn’t be surprised if the December release date was part of Abrams’ deal.
I wouldn’t be surprised either because Abrams is just that much of a clueless jackass.
Agreed wholeheartedly. As soon as he was announced as the director I expected that Ep 9 was going to be pushed back to December if not further.
I as well wouldn’t be surprised if that was one of the conditions for Abrams to take over.
Now I’m just waiting to see if Solo gets pushed back.
If they continue with the December dates in 2020 and 2021, Avatar will crush them.
Avatar did incredibly well in December. But I’m curious to see if lightning strikes twice. When all is said and done it will have been 11 years between the first film and second film, and I am curious to see if audiences return to the world Cameron created.
I’m not saying they will or they won’t, I’m just very curious to see how things play out.
Doesn’t Disney partly own Avatar now, since they made Pandora land in Disney World now? Like they swutched Marvel to May and Star Wars to December, I’m sure they don’t want two properties against each other.
Here I disagree. Wherever I read comments about Avatar, there seems to be very little interest in the sequels. Star Wars would and will destroy Avatar at the box office. Heck, nobody really cares about the original Avatar anymore. If you strip away the CGI gimmicks the movie is bland and silly.
If Ep VIII is not a disappointment then excitement and anticipation for Ep IX will destroy any Avatar sequel. I wouldn’t be surprised if the release date for Avatar II gets pushed back now too.
It’s not an issue of Ep. 9. This is 2020 and 2021 (and then a later year). So it’s the next Rogue One or Han Solo vs. Avatar. Very crushable.
Ah sorry, ok 🙂 Anthology movies are a different thing. Obi-Wan might create enough buzz but it’s always a bad idea to have two competing mega blockbusters released in the same week, you always lose money. They’d better find a release window without too much competition.
Wonder Woman 2 is coming out a week before Ep. 9 now. The suspense is whether WB flinches or believes there’s room for a superhero movie and Star Wars in the same month. Wonder Woman doesn’t have anywhere good to move that’s close though as Frozen 2 and another DC and Marvel movie are out in November. Also, a prime release date in May 2019 has now been opened.
You are right, Cameron will most certainly introduce some new gimmick with his movies. 3D without glasses? 😉 But still, there’s little excitement (as of now) for the sequels. Avatar doesn’t hold the cultural significance of Star Wars. In this regard Avatar is just a blip, an anecdote. I find Star Wars movies to be highly rewatchable, Avatar – not so much, haven’t seen it in years and I don’t miss it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if WB changed the release date for Wonder Woman 2. This movie would suffer greatly and WB would lose money. I guess they are all thrilled that Disney pushed back the release date for Ep IX.
I think this film will be a major rewrite too so a delay makes sense.
They seem dead set with the Solo date for some reason. If firing the directors that far into production doesn’t delay it, nothing will.
MIKE!!!!! Did you get a Hascon Rex yet?
Also you’re right they do seem dead set on keeping that date which surprises me, given how extensive the re-shoots have been so far. I wonder if everything else is too far along to pull back in terms of merchandising and promotion and the like.
I am cautiously optimistic for Solo based on what people have said of the script so I’d prefer sooner rather than later, but I’m worried they’ll pull a G.I. Joe 2 and a month before release just pull the plug and push it back and it just throws everything into a cocked hat. I also hope that they don’t pull a G.I. Joe 2 and make a bad movie LOL.
No, but I’m going to try to get one from Hasbrotoyshop when it goes up. And I never go for these exclusives.
Well it is Rex 🙂
Gives him more time to pick Zuvio off the cutting room floor.
Yes, perhaps we can finally get to the bottom of the Zuvio Chronicles.
what about the redbox release date
“I’d be happier with the dollar”
Another disaster for the toy line. Once again kids won’t be able to put their favorite characters on their Christmas list until a week before Christmas. Hasbro will have no idea ahead of Christmas who the “breakout” characters will be and who to produce more of. And they will only be able to produce Star Wars toys for about 5 months out of the year before demand disappears. Lucas had a genius merchandising formula worked out with the May release dates. Toys could be sold almost all year round, with just a brief period needed to clearance after Christmas. Kennedy and Abrams continue to show they lack the savvy to handle any and all planks of the Star Wars empire.
A new script has to be written, because what Trevorrow wrote will most certainly be discarded. This takes time. I’m ok with it. It’s better to push back the release date than to rush things. They have to get Ep IX right, give them all the time they need. George Lucas had three years between movies.
It’d be better to push it back to May 2020 unless they want to leave 100s of millions on the table.
This is always an option. Yes. I wouldn’t mind.
The more time, the better. I think one of the biggest issues with Star Wars right now is the rate at which they’re producing the movies. They’re rushing it. I think it has directly lead to a lot of the behind the scenes turnover and could lead to an overall feeling of oversaturation. Take a breath, give it time, and don’t rush.
Copy pasting the script for Episode VI should not take that long.
I really, really don’t think they will go down this route. I might be mistaken. But I think (hope) that Ep VIII and IX will be their own thing and not just a reimagined ESB and ROTJ. No one, not even movie producers, can be that stupid. It worked once, it wouldn’t work twice.
The Star Tripe reboots say otherwise.
Remember, These are the same fans that said “things would get better” with AOTC after TPM. Remember all the talk of it being the next Empire? Then we saw the film.
Don’t remind me of “Into Darkness” 😀 This was the worst of corporate movie making.
And all the silly denials that Cumberbatch wouldn’t be Khan. At least Abrams admitted he was wrong when he kept denying it. I hope he learned from that experience!
Just in case a character called “Marty McShrivelhead” turns out to be Palpatine in Ep IX 😉
About AOTC, I like all Star Wars movies, not all of them the same, of course. I found, and still find, AOTC entertaining. Same with TPM and ROTS. Acting was clunky, sure. Some greenscreen effects look very artificial. I can’t help it, I just love Star Wars 😀
At least with Star Trek they can explain the redo’s and such with an alternate timeline. I’m okay with that. JJ didn’t really have that option with Star Wars, but seemed to kind of do it anyway.
3 Month’s of Writing is not enough, glad of this for the Story’s sake.
How hard is it for JJ to take the Return of the Jedi script and change a few character and planet names?
Starkiller Base II coming at you.
The only surprise in Episode IX will be if there is no Starkiller Base II.
I hope JJ learns how to write more scenes for R2-D2.
He already eloquently explained how “depressed” R2-D2 was that he had to go into sleep mode. LOL
JJ clearly has no love for R2-D2.
JJ: oh nah that’s not operational yet, see they’re not finished building the planet yet
Pablo Hildago: JJ you can’t really build a planet?!!?
PH: oh yea $$$$$
ugh. this is depressing. i need to go chug a 40.
Hey! On the Brightside, KK will fire him in a few months like the other three directors she had “creative differences” with.
You are a sexist for laughing at that btw!
It won’t happen. Abrams is Hollywood’s untouchable golden child. He’s the young prince. From day one we’ve been fed non-stop propaganda about how much of a genius he is despite him achieving nothing of any creative noteworthiness.
My screenname is now more relevant than ever! Fans thinking TLJ will be any different from TFA have obviously never seen Star Tripe Into Dumbness aka Wrath Of Khan 2.0.
JJ’s signed onto IX, not VIII.
Lame, tired attempt at snazzy dissing got even lamer.
She wouldn’t dare. JJ is untouchable, next to Joss Whedon, he’s the geek’s geek. Never going to happen. I’d love to see the pay day that JJ is getting. They’re backing a semi-truck filled with $100 bills up to his five car garage right now.
Whedon’s been disowned by the SJWs. That’s all it takes to put you in the cultural loser’s club.
ulitmate mainstream geek’s mainstream geek
Does any of this surprise anyone?
No, not at all. I’m just beginning to understand what people mean by the Disney Death Mark.
Although alot of today’s comments have me worried about the Episode IX toy line and how some key characters may not be available before the movie, I do love the fact I can share these movies with my daughters at Christmas time.
So, Kathleen Kennedy said in the article on SW. com earlier today that JJ did exactly what they wanted him to do. Perhaps in the overall scheme of things, it’s not entirely his fault, but the new Lucasfilm/Disney conglomerate? In reality, if it was KK that asked JJ to make the movie he did, in all honesty it was at least a good movie despite it being a remake of ep4.
I think what they wanted him to do was make a boatload of money. Which the brand name and Ford/Fisher/Hamill did for them, but Abrams seems to be given the credit for it.
JediJones exactly. Force Awakens got the huge opening gate because of a) new Star Wars film after a ten year drought
b) reunion of original cast of Hamill/Ford/Fisher/Mayhew
I think the after-market for TFA is already gone, whereas we’re still talking about the prequels and buying the merchandise.
Abrams is a hack. A total charlatan.
You still buy figures of Jar Jar? *winces* There is still a market for the Force Awakens – all the characters are going to be in two more movies, and we all just bought a bunch of new stuff like last Friday.
I haven’t bought any of the new characters, and the only new figure I got was Thrawn, and that was largely because I love the Legends books.
I’ve been buying the Sh Figuarts prequel stuff, and yes, I would definitely buy a Jar Jar Binks.
I was 8 years old in 1999 when The Phantom Menace came out. I liked Jar Jar then, and still do.
I won’t be watching either of the new trilogy movies. I saw TFA once, and that was enough for me.
I wanted to see a reunion between Luke, Han, and Leia, and I wanted to see Luke as a wise Jedi Master, and head of the new Jedi Order. I got none of those things.
To each their own, but I don’t think the TFA is “classic film” material…
TPM and TFA are the only two bad Star Wars films in my book. Both partly because they aped the original movie’s beats.
The after-market for TFA isnt gone. You might not be buying it, however its far from gone.
That TFA crap is polluting most stores in my area, at ridiculous discounts. No-one’s buying it here.
I don’t know what it’s like anywhere else.
The brand and the names were the main drives behind the TFA marketing phenomenon, but the movie itself, as bad as it is, was the perfect film for the perfect time: it was an intergenerational thing unlike anything we’ll see in a long time, regarding the franchise. It was like going to a Rogers Waters concert with your son for the first time. It was a marketing bonanza, the perfect money storm.
JJ’s movie was the perfect upbeat, easy, familiar popcorn film everyone needed to channel these particular circumstances. Unlike the prequels, it was extremely faithful (may be too faithful) to the source material, presenting well known visuals and sounds.
But that was then, now is different. The general public has been fed, Star Wars is just another franchise along many others, if Disney wants to keep it relevant, they need something more innovative.
If that’s not the case, I don’t know who will be the next buyer of the franchise, but I’m sure the operation will be done in pesos.
You just became my super amigo… No but seriously, that is a spot on comment.
Thank you friend.
I don’t doubt that. They could probably have picked any director and we all would have gone to see it (although picking JJ made sure a bazillion other people ex star trek fans would come see this too). I honestly do hope that ep8 is better, and that they decide not to go with another remake for ep9.
I suppose that the production company has a lot to say about the general direction of a movie. Something like “we want a movie like ANH”. Then they hire someone who makes that general outline reality.
Lucas’ foolproof merchandising plan when the movies came out in May:
March through May: Sell sneak preview toys to fans based on the hype
June through September: Use the movie to sell toys during the months when toys don’t sell very well on their own
October through December: Produce more of the known bestsellers for Christmas and use the DVD release to promote all the toys
January through February: Clearance unsold products to make way for the next run
Rinse and repeat for a solid 10 months of sales each year.
Disney’s December release strategy effectively chops 6 months of the year off when they have no way to promote Star Wars toys. And that’s why we’re seeing the backed up product at retail and can’t find any new releases between Christmas and Force Friday in September. How’s that 6″ Darth Revan and 3.75″ Ponda Baba wave working out for you?
It really is all about the toys in the end with them isn’t it? I wouldn’t have a problem with that if they were of the quality we got from 2006-2012 instead of this bootleg crap we been getting for the past 5 years.
Well, at least your username is relevant again 😉
Ha! No joke I just typed that above seconds ago before seeing this comment. Just when I wanted to change JJ to KK but I can’t fit that many words into a screenname for some reason.
Well said and especially well said because it’s in a language that Disney should understand. The whole merchandising of the film is cut into a much shorter time period. With May release, they have a second push for Christmas. With a Christmas release, you end up with wave 4 that doesn’t show up because retail sees SW as over at that point of the year.
Geez, that Trevorrow guy must have made a real mess of things if they are starting over from scratch.
Why can’t it be the other way around? Maybe he wanted to keep his own vision intact and Lucasfilm wouldn’t allow it. Props to him if he stood tall in the hurricane against the powers that be.
I think that’s part of it, he dug in and Lucasfilm didn’t like that. One man’s vision in another mans mess.
This entire debacle is incredibly disheartening. I was never going to see The Last Jedi without reading full spoilers and reviews before hand (considering how screwed over and disappointed I was with TFA). Honestly, I left the cinema feeling crushed and heartbroken.
Now? I’m done with this trilogy. None of it interests me, and I’m very despondent about the whole thing.
I’m going to hold back and hope the Han Solo movie is good, in the same way that I felt Rogue One was an awesome film.
But seriously, JJ Abrams is a talentless, clueless bell-end, and hearing his name in connection with Star Wars makes me feel quite sick to be honest.
From one ‘Matt’ to another, I support this message.
It is feeling like Disney never really had a story to tell. It seems they are just winging it. New Star Wars without a concrete plan. I don’t get it.
Dude, I’m just frustrated on every level. I think they have a plan…. sort of, but it’s just not original or interesting. What’s happening is alm9st like the name of what TPM was initially rumoured to be: ‘dark horizons’. If you followed marvel comics in the few years after that acquisition, you knew a dark cloud was coming to star wars and it would gobble up ftesh, creative thinking and change it for the worse… and it has. At least from my perspective.
Enjoy what you can, though! I’m pretty much done, and it sucks to say that.
I’m totally cool with another December release date. I have gotten used to it and rather like it now. I’m not thrilled with Abrams returning, though. He had already said he was done with Star Wars, so they must’ve offered him a hefty sum to return. I wish they would have gone with someone new to the saga to keep things fresh just like they did with the OT.
I do wonder how much Carrie’s passing influenced the changes. It was clear Lucasfilm didn’t want her in the film in any way, so I’m curious to know if Trevorrow was pushing for them to CGI her or something. Maybe one day we will know more.
Abrams also said he regretted not being able to do Episode 8. Now I wonder if we’ll get the kind of awkward writing that happens in comic books. Like when the original creator of the Hobgoblin quit the Amazing Spider-Man series before revealing his identity. Then the new writer changed his identity to a different character entirely. Then some years later the original writer came back, said that writer’s reveal was just a hoax concocted by the REAL Hobgoblin, the guy who he originally intended him to be. The kind of writer wars that go on when no one with a consistent vision is running the store.
I pity the poor, sad soul who is “writing” the “Making Of…” book.
Oh, Disney knows how to bury the embarrassing details. Still waiting for the Ed Norton cut of Incredible Hulk.
I guess I’m naive and still have the heart of a 12 year old in my 49 year old body but the level of cynicism and pessimism with this news of JJ is astounding. I have no qualms about people and their right to having an opinion, but the outright hate and disgust in some of these comments is such a turn off. In case you all forgot, there was a STAR WARS drought after 1983. Took till 1999 to get the prequels.
Not too many have fond memories of those films.
We thought STAR WARS was ending on a low note of ROTS.
But no! Disney buys Lucasfilm and 10 years after ROTS we get the original cast together again in TFA. We get to see Han and Leia, Chewie, R2-D2 and C3PO and a tiny bit of old man Jedi Luke plus we get BB-8 who became an instant classic character in my book.
TFA becomes the highest grossing film in North American history.
Even with all the criticism of it borrowing heavily from ANH, it is overall very well received.
But in the age of the internet and armchair quarterbacks, no one is satisfied.
It is just so disheartening to read some of these comments on a movie that hasn’t even been written yet. We are all here because we love STAR WARS and the toys.
I know some of you will come up with some snarky replies to this, and I really don’t care.
Yeah, Know what else made a ton of money?
Fast And Furious
Fifty Shades Of BS
They might not be your cup of tea but thousands of people like them. Does that make them any better or worse for it?
So Star Wars fandom is now reduced to counting up how many millions of people like something and everyone being expected to conform to the masses?
Interesting that’s what you took from my comment. Let me make it clearer for you, people experience things differently, what you may not like someone else will, now some may turn their nose up at franchises like 50 shades, f&f but the proof is in the numbers and the franchises continuing concludes they are deemed a success, people like them. Who is to tell what people must and mustn’t like and why should they be chasized for it?
Hitler was successfully elected by the people. People like you who think a story should end at “success” are part of the problem.
Ease up. mic windu is a good guy.
I didn’t see the full comment, and I’m sure Mic is, but if someone responded to me with “boy” like the guy who posted above you did… I wouldn’t respond too nicely.
your age is showing, calm down….boy.
Never seen any of those movies or their sequels!
I’m with you, well said
Uh, so it’s okay for you to be negative on the prequels but we can’t be negative on the sequels? AOTC and ROTS were thoroughly enjoyable, satisfying movies for me. They felt like TRUE Star Wars, not sloppy Star Wars seconds like both Diznee movies so far. And based on the stellar merchandise sales during that time, PLENTY of people had fond memories of the prequels.
Basically, like most TFA defenders, you act like a sheep. You say the movie was “well-received,” “well-reviewed” and grossed a lot of money and that’s your entire defense for liking it. You’re mind-controlled by the critics and the Disney hype machine that pays for good media coverage.
It is so disheartening to see you bash the prequels which gave us the origin of Vader and Boba Fett and also featured Yoda, Obi-Wan, C-3PO, R2-D2, Tusken Raiders, Jabba, Uncle Owen, Aunt Beru, etc.
Uhhh….you and Paul need to calm down. You’re doing the extreme cynical bashing here I’d say:
You said, “It is so disheartening to see you cynically bash the prequels” when his only criticism of the prequels was literally:
“Not too many have fond memories of those films.
We thought STAR WARS was ending on a low note of ROTS.”
That’s it. That’s not harsh at all. It’s a subtle reminder that some people did not find those movies to their liking. That’s a pretty bland statement. And then you come out guns-a-blazin’ with such vitriol as:
“like most TFA defenders, you act like a sheep…You’re mind-controlled by the critics and the Disney hype machine that pays for good media coverage.”
That’s just pure name-calling and hate, without any argument or evidence to back any counterclaim of the original statement.
Calm down, man.
This comment is intended for everyone to read and not aimed at any one person in particular. I’ve said this more than a handful of times on these threads and in these comments.
Star Wars is Star Wars, I am here because I love it all. I love the movies, I love both the current and EU books, I love the toys, I love The Clone Wars, I love Rebels. One of my favourite SW movies of all time is Attack Of The Clones. I prefer Rogue One to Empire Strikes back. My least favourite SW film is Return Of The Jedi. Go on and shoot me. I don’t care how much a movie makes at the box office or what the critics or my peers say. If I like something then no one is got to tell me any different. People are going to be happy, people are going to be sad. We don’t all have to like the same thing. Don’t force your opinions on other people. Respect people’s likes and dislikes.
Debate don’t hate.
His post was a fundamentally hypocritical argument. He criticized Star Wars movies while criticizing other people for criticizing Star Wars movies. I attacked his failed argument, not his opinion nor him. Your post isn’t adding anything relevant to the discussion.
But you did attack him, not as much as the argument. You called him a “sheep” and “mind-controlled by the critics and the Disney hype machine.” That’s pretty personal.
In doing that, I’m asking for a better argument as to why TFA was good that says more than “it made a buncha money” and it was “well-received.” That’s a little mocking to show the fallacy of the argument.
What an excuse. That’s a very poor way to ask for a better argument. It’s just name calling, which I find most people do when they don’t have a better argument or any evidence. Basically, when they can’t come up with a well-thought case. Regardless, you admitted you personally attacked him, not his argument. You claim to have done it for a “reason” but it’s still poor conduct. Mocking this person doesn’t show the fallacy of his opinion, it shows the weakness of your reasoning.
Yeah I don’t agree with his argument either, I respect and admire George Lucas, and if it wasn’t for him then none of us would be here. He is entitled this his opinion though, as are we all.
I’m totally with you. I am a Star Wars fan, period. If I wasn’t having a good time I wouldn’t be sticking around. Maybe I’ve liked some things a little more than others, but overall it’s still one of my favorite things of all time. 🙂
Here’s what I said in my original post about the prequels:
-Not too many have fond memories of those films.-
Now please explain how what I said is “bashing” them?
You can’t because I didn’t bash them. I said in the most polite way I could that many fans were let down with them.
I suggest you remove the Rancor sized chip from your shoulder.
I say, give JJ the benefit of the doubt for now. I don’t know if I’m just a minority but I like ALL Star Wars movies, some more than others, but I dislike none of them. I can enjoy the prequels for what they are, and I watch them every few months and I’m always entertained. I can enjoy TFA when I stop thinking about ANH. Even as some kind of reimagined ANH it’s still Star Wars.
I’m hopeful for Ep VIII and Ep IX will build on it, so let’s wait and see. JJ has his shortcomings but I was actually quite surprised when I saw that he hasn’t really directed that many Hollywood movies, he was/is mostly a TV guy. So in a way, I hope he was on a learning curve with Star Trek and possibly even TFA and will find a more unique setting for Ep IX.
There is not a single thing about The Force Awakens that makes me think of A New Hope. Nothing. And I am being serious. You can create parallels and pick out similarities between hundreds of other films. The same is now happening between The Last Jedi and Empire Stikes Back. If you look for something hard enough you will find it.
Final thought: In a film based upon good and evil, isn’t everything else a remake?
LOL, a poor teenager on Tatoo-er, desert planet meets a droid working for the heroic military, gets caught up in an action scene with evil troopers pursuing said droid and escapes in the Millennium Falcon. Gets a lightsaber out of a trunk from a wise old figure. Invades a metallic star base which destroys planets and is then itself destroyed by a team of X-Wings.
Teenage Hobbit from the back end of nowhere gets caught up in an action scene, taken on an adventure with a wise old wizard and given an ancient artifact before meeting a rag tag band of ‘rebels’ along the way who need to save the land from an all powerful evil enemy…
Droid, Death Star, X-Wings, dead mentor?
There are many types of droids, BB-8 was a whole new design that we hadn’t seen before. He wasn’t carrying a message from a Princess in distress. I didn’t see a Death Star, only in ANH, ROTJ, briefly in AOTC (in design form) ROTS (in construction) and in RO. TFA had a planet with a giant weapon built into its core, something completely new. X-Wing upgrades were a given – its Star Wars, we’ve seen the evolution of many craft throughout the movies. It was expected that an X-Wing of some form would make an appearance in the events following ROTJ. Still don’t see it.
LOL, you lost me at “completely new.”
It was an evolution of an idea that has been developed throughout the sagas history. It’s poetic in a way that it has followed through the story, from conception in AOTC, development in ROTS and RO, to being the primary threat in ANH. We see it’s advancement in ROTJ and final realisation in TFA.
In my opinion there a quite a few similarities between TFA and ANH, they have been pointed out, so no need to repeat them all here.
Yes, of course there are only so many stories you can tell, there are only that many elements you can choose from. But TFA almost exclusively limited itself to elements seen in ANH. I think most people agree on that.
I can still enjoy TFA for what it is, but innovative and creative it is not.
Let’s put it another way… if another studio had released a movie called “The Power Awakens” with the exact same story and characters as TFA – you can bet that Lucasfilm/Disney would have sued them for plagiarism.
“There is not a single thing about The Force Awakens that makes me think of A New Hope.”
Seriously? I’m no TFA hater and can see a lot of good stuff in it, but droid carrying missing plans, planet killing base blowing stuff up and then a small target on it being it’s weakness, etc, etc, etc. Really don’t have to look hard to see those parallels, they slap you right across the face.
Actually, Abrams himself publicly admitted during an interview at the Tribeca film festival (April 2016) that TFA was an ANH remake.
And quite frankly, the “Another Death Star?!” exclamation during the the Rebel Resistance briefing on Yavin IV D’Qar was pretty much the character voicing the audience’s opinion. ?
As for TLJ, there are some similarities with ESB in the designs and certain locations, no doubt, but we can’t say anything about the plot. Not until December anyway. I do hope that TLJ will not be just an ESB rehash.
While I definitely thought of ANH and the parallels while watching TFA, I do think there is a level of “look for something hard enough and you’ll find it.” I think some people have already made up their mind that TLJ will be a “rehash” of TESB and they’ll specifically look for parallels.
What were you on when you watched it?
Again my friend, we think alike
I’m the same way. I like and enjoy every Star Wars movie, some just much more than others. AOTC remains my least favorite Star Wars film but I still enjoy watching it.
Yep, I feel the same.
Didn’t Lucas want to fire Marquand at some point during the making of Jedi? He couldn’t do it because he lacked the charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent to take over a film of that scope.
KK has charisma, uniqueness, nerve, and talent by the boatload, I promise you. She took a bunch of crappy pew-pew, and aliens, and she made it into Rogue One. That turned out to be a pretty good little movie.
The story is Lucas fired Marquand and finished filming the movie himself but, I think what actually happened is Marquand quit after shooting, leaving the editing to Lucas, which was what Lucas preferred supposedly. Wait-why are we talking about Richard Marquand?
Colin Trevorrow.. In Jurassic World you may have brought us a new lease of life, but in the directors chair of Star Wars, you are sadly now extinct. Now, sashay away..
Kathleen Kennedy’s Pod Race!
Start your engines! (May the best Wookie Win)
He could always get back to that Flight of the Navigator reboot.
Rogue One was more sloppy Star Wars seconds. Truly uninspired, literally splicing in footage from ANH at points. And such awful, dull characters.
KK is a hack who has never proven the ability to produce anything. That is precisely why she is now relying on hiring “old hand” directors. She has utterly failed to mentor these fresher talents in the job because she HAS no talent herself. Everything she produced of any success had a Spielberg, Marshall, Shyamalan, etc. doing the actual creative work. She just made sure the checkbook was balanced and the coffee was hot.
To be fair, it’s not Kathleen Kennedy’s job to be creative.
Her job is to hire the right people and to make sure there’s enough money and that deadlines are met and that a movie stays within its budget limit and the production runs smoothly.
The creative part is in the hands of the script writer, the director and when it comes to visuals the production and costume designer, with the director having final say in most of these things.
A producer picks the script they like, they have final say on who directs and writes a movie. They may give general outlines as to what kind of movie they want (i.e. I want a Han Solo movie not to be a screwball comedy, I don’t want a movie with only Wookies in it without subtitles).
Now if she’s the right person to select scripts and the creative people who make the movie… RO was a success, and Kennedy had to meddle quite a bit with that movie’s production. TFA, as much criticized as it is by some (rightfully so), was a huge financial success. We’ll see how Ep VIII turns out and we’ll also see if her decision to hire Ron Howard to salvage the Solo movie was right. It is, of course, interesting that there have been production problems with a lot of the new Star Wars movies. She hired all these people she later fired. This is totally on her. When so many movies have production woes it could be the producer’s fault for hiring the wrong people.
If the Solo movie fails, that’s on her, because it is ultimately her who selects what movies get made and who makes these movies. But the creative process itself, that’s nothing she really has anything to do with.
Let’s say that I give you credit for your “positive” points on KK… she has yet to show that she can manage directing talent effectively in this environment. That’s kinda a big thing for today and future SW ventures.
Why do people keep touting that TFA was the highest grossing film in US history as if that makes it popular or good. The anticipation of any SW movie would generate a huge amount of money. Add the power of Disney and them having the dollars to open it in every theatre everywhere then one can see why it grossed so much. It also stayed in theatres for an extended amount of time. Based on what I have read by critics and fans it was not very well received. Based on the amount of TFA product still sitting on store shelves, again it seems it was not very well received. SW movies usually have a good buzz about them for some time after their release. TFA pretty much fizzled and was forgotten by the time the next big film came out. Everyone easily moved on. I have huge fond memories of the prequel movies and feel they surpass TFA in every way possible. To be clear I like ALL SW movies! The last two were just not up to par and were very weak in story. I personally don’t care who directs as long as the product is entertaining. JJ had his chance and flubbed it. Why should he deserve another one?
But then again why shouldn’t he? He may have ‘flubbed it’ in your view, but in another’s point of view they might be happy with the news that he has been re-hired. I personally would rather him helm the film then Trevorrow as I think he did a good job with The Force Awakens. I was also a fan of Lost and his take on Star Trek.
Thank you for saying this.
Get this guy a cigar!!!!! Or a marble statue!
So my reply is… why can’t others have a differing opinion whether it is soft or harsh?
I’m happy that you like it, but for myself personally, I can stand what Disney and KK are doing and have done to Star Wars.
Now, speaking only for what’s happened in the two Disney Wars movies so far starting with TFA… that movie is utter garbage. My personal opinion of course. You have an ESTABLISHED product, with an army of fans waiting years (just like you mentioned) for something new and fresh. An “Awakening” if you will!
What did we get? A production that was slick and presentable, but an almost note for note rip-off of THE Star Wars. Was THAT necessary? Was that what you or the Disney Wars supporters were hoping to receive? From my POV it was more insulting than if the movie was just legitimately bad. Yes, I find it worse than TPM and AOTC. By a long shot. At least TRY to make something new and fresh. Don’t give me Star Wars 1977… sorry, 2015, and play it off like it was the beginning of something new. It wasn’t and didn’t.
R1? Now.. the cracks in KK’s armour are REALLY starting to show. Without all of the Star Wars fan pandering in the last 3rd of the movie, it would unequivocally have been bashed by fans and non-fans alike. The Star Wars community was given a big, fat pacifier, and many bought it… but not all. The uneven flow, unlikable characters, and clear change in tone (for both characters and story) makes it a mess as a whole. I did enjoy the 3rd act (yes, it did even pacify me for parts), but that doesn’t make it a complete quality movie or even close.
I don’t like writing big essays, but there is a legitimate reason for the push back for this franchise right now, but again, I’m glad that you have enjoyed this transition so far.
*I didn’t even mention how I despised the handling of the OG characters and how I felt that their characters were disrespected, but that, and more frustrated comments directed at KK will come at a later date 😉
Agree with all of these comments. Well written and express many of my thoughts and opinions about the new films.
The thing is… I’m tired being frustrated by the direction of where this franchise is now and is going. That frustration leads to apathy, which of course leads to lost sales. That’s the only thing a company like Disney “hears”, and I expect that “noise” to get louder. Touching on that…TLJ stuff sure does seem easy to find now.
But I think more than anything else I’m tired with Disney as a whole. Their political and marketing objectives have ripped out the heart of marvel comics, Star Wars is clearly on the same path and ESPN… don’t even get me started on that side of their business.
The funny thing is; I really do like change and progression. I WANT a fresh take on work (and I think that’s one of the main reasons R1 disappointed me as much as it did). IT COULD’VE been something new and unique… but then Disney had to be Disney and brought it back down to the same formulaic product. They just couldn’t “let go” and let the director have his vision realized.
For both our sakes, I do hope that we get something we like, starting with TLJ, but I’m honestly not investing in pre-ordering tickets or buying figures “sight unseen” prior to seeing the movie because I expect to be disappointed… and I don’t that that’s a good thing.
No plan. There was NEVER a real plan. Disney just bought the SW brand and decided to go with the safest route and have been winging it from the start. Again……no plan.
The whole “heart of a 12 year old in a 40 year old body” shtick seems a bit cynical when you then go on to slight another part of the saga. You’re doing the thing that you’re criticizing people for doing.
Really? Tell me EXACTLY what I said which constitutes slighting another part of the saga?
You referred to ROTS as a “low point” ffs. Where was “the 12 year old” for ROTS? If you are going to make a plea for fans to have a better attitude about the sequel movies, perhaps taking a jab at other parts of the saga isnt the best way of going about it.
Sir, my plea for fans to have a better attitude is NOT about their opinions, it’s about the WAY they state their opinions. I’ll say it yet again. It’s fine if someone doesn’t like something or someone. I am totally on board to post it or shout it from the rooftops, but say it like with dignity and not like a ranting idiot.
Oh ok, I see. So complaining about TFA/JJ is undignified ranting but complaining about the prequels is legit opinion. Ive read most of the comments in this post and the so-called vitriolic ranting about TFA/JJ is pretty tame and civil *opinion* – no different than yours about the prequels.
Oh and by the way, I stand corrected. AOTC was the low point. Then TPM and then ROTS.
rusty_t. Totally Agree !!!
It’s just a discussion, It shouldn’t have any affect on your emotions. Let me tell you where I stand. It was better to have never made TFA than to release it as what it was. I couldn’t feel any more honestly than that. I feel others do too. It’s where the root of these discussions come from. I would rather watch the Ewoks films over TFA.
In short, don’t take it personally. We’re all happy you like the new films
My issue isn’t with people having opinions, or anyone’s right to say what they want, how they want and when they want. My issue is with the pettiness and vitriol that some people bring to this site take conversations that could be respectful, down into the mud. We can all have differing opinions without having to call each other names, spew insults to directors, companies who make toys and films. It’s not that difficult to talk respectfully to someone and also have a completely differing opinion.
Agreed, 100%. Seen a lot of venom being spilled. It’s possible though that this kinda stuff is being mistranslated since we can’t hear one another’s actual voices. Just a possibility. I’m probably being optimistic.
I’ve never asked your opinion of REBELs. But I can imagine what it is and I’m probably right.
“we get the original cast together again in TFA”. Yes, but Han dies, Leia barely had screen time and Luke did not say a word. And adding to that there was no scene with the three together. I understand the joy of having more Star Wars, but this type of scripts are frustrating for my taste.
No snarky replies here but what is frustrating is Disney didn’t seem to have a solid plan. It’s like they are just winging it which is unexeptable. SW needs a big plan and the new EU or Canon doesn’t cut it either as far as I’m concerned.
That moment when you wished JJ and KK would rearrange into JK, JK…
Five months ago, Sony scheduled the Masters of the Universe movie for December 18th, 2019.
*waves hand* THIS WON’T BE THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK
I’m actually not disappointed by this news, personally I like JJ and most his work. That being said, I still am not a fan of TFA. I think TFA looked and sounded AMAZING, I’m just not a fan of the narrative. I’m a fan of the previously disbanded expanded universe. No it was not perfect, yes there were many inconsistencies but for many years, those are the stories that kept Star Wars going. I was very disappointed when Disney did what they did. I understand why they did it, I just don’t agree (but that hardly matters). As a result, Disney took an already existing story and changed it to a story that I don’t much like. I have dozens of reason why I dislike TFA but I am still hopeful that KK and JA are going to surprise me with TLJ and ultimately IX. I will remain positive for now, we’ll see after TLJ comes out.
This deal is getting worse all the time.
Uh huh, yep. I really wish I had something to say. It is what it is now, no turning back.
They’ll probably give JJ the final cut of The Last Jedi just to expand the MYSTERY BOX!
Sounds good to me!
I wonder if they keep moving Star Wars to be the December to remember event…oh wait that might be Lexus…. seriously I would prefer they go back to May releases. I think they can get more seasons of the toys to market.
The december schedule with the secrecy, Christmas, and the New Years along with the weather and school I think it makes better sense for a Summer theatrical release followed by home video and last big push for toys & merch at Christmas. I guess I could compare it to Summer release means all night love making as opposed to December release being a wham bam quickie.
Yes, but sometimes those “wham bam quickies” are worth a lot more money.
That’s mere days before my birthday. Time to start organizing my 46th birthday party!
Mine is 16th.Im partying out. I was just telling someone coolest people on earth are born in september.
So… It’s Abrams. I can’t say I’m overjoyed…
The December release date has become the norm lately, no real surprise as far as I’m concerned.
A lot is riding on TLJ now. If the movie goes for an original, thought provoking, exciting new story rather than just a subpar ESB remake, Abrams will not be able to go down the quicker, easier, more seductive path he took with TFA or Star Trek: Into Darkness. Hopefully.
My wish list: please, please, please, no “mystery box” nonsense (“Lost” is over, get used to it), no cutting characters at the last second (remember a certain constable), no characters turning from nobodies into full-fledged superheroes overnight (OK for X-Men, not OK for Star Wars). And go easy on the lens flare, yes?
You keep preaching Darth, and I’ll cross my fingers. Lol. He’s not a stupid man, but he’s gonna have to step it up far beyond TFAs. I hope he realizes this.
J.J. did come up with BB-8 on a napkin so that was good.
Plus he also made a real effort to get practical effects back into STAR WARS.
Lots of creatures who weren’t CGI but rubber suits and masks.
He gets a lot of praise from me for that. The “real” affect was nice and enjoyable to have again.
Thanks Paul for the Update. Just wrote the release date on my reminder board.
See, just another reason why I come here. 🙂
I killed off two more trolls. I am not wasting anymore time. If you don’t like us, move along.I won’t put up with disrespect anymore. I ain’t playing going forward.
I’m fine with the news; JJ Abrams knows how to make an entertaining film. I enjoyed TFA as a film; it’s the sheer level of rehashing/ ripping that I have an issue with.
I think JJ Abrams is a pretty competent director of actors and action. I trust him a lot less on the script. And I really dislike the whole “Mystery Box” thing by this point, since I believe that it tends to build something up that might not be worth it. For instance, when the reveal, and this is just my guess here, that Rey is Luke’s secret daughter comes out, some people will be very disappointed since that has seemed obvious from the beginning. Did we need said Mystery Box? Did we need the TFA marketing Mystery Box of “Why isn’t Luke in the trailers?” since it was just revealed in the first line of the opening scroll?
Agree with all of this!
The whole ” who is Rey ” thing was not exciting and mysterious, it was annoying at best. And we still probably won’t get GOOD answers.
It frustrated me since I’m looking for this to be the Skywalker family story. So I’d like her to be a Skywalker. If she isn’t Han and Leia’s daughter, that leaves Luke. And that means Luke probably didn’t know he has a daughter. Thats all I want. Just that. 🙂
And then we have Kathleen Kennedy saying early on the it IS about the Skywalker family. But they consider Kylo Ren the one to continue that dynamic. Yep, frustrating. I like Kylo but that isn’t enough to carry the Skywalker torch, and he is a villain that shouldn’t ever be redeemed. So I don’t see the point LF is trying to make.
I respect those that truly liked TFA. But my opinion is that it is not an obligation to like a lot everything made that has a label with “Star Wars”. Where is our capacity for analysis? Where is our capacity for appreciation? If we don’t allow ourselves to dislike or criticize some things some times, then how can we distinguish a truly master film, book, paint, etc? (and I mean a master piece in a personal perspective, it does not matter if others disagree, but to consider all things made equally good is a bland vision in my opinion).
I liked the prequels, but many of my friends dislike Episode I and II, they have valid reasons and explained their opinion, I respect that and I’ll not try to change their mind by force. It’s valid to like a film and to not like it too, but what is frustrating is the response from some people: “it’s Star Wars, turn off your mind, eat your pop corn and shut up”.
He has his solid points whether he is likable or not.
No i like him, I just didn’t agree with him that much. He’s alright.
As a life long “old school” Star Wars fan, I am for one excited about JJ being back at the helm of Star Wars. Personally, I’ve liked all of the Star Wars films, from ANH through RO (including TFA). And if someone doesn’t like TFA or RO (or even JJ Abrams or Disney) that’s fine too. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
What I have a problem with is the hypocrisy of the TFO/RO/Disney/JJ Abrams “haters”. They hate on the latest films, yet say nothing but good things about the Prequel films and Lucas directing them. However, these are the same people who ten years ago hated the Prequels and Lucas. Ten years before that, they hated on the Special Editions (“Lucas ruined my childhood!”).
There are people that dislike the prequels that also dislike TFA and there are people that loved the prequels and dislike TFA. Nobody changed their opinion.
This will begin to make things right…. BS Lor San Tekka!
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