Posted by Paul on September 12, 2017 at 10:32 AM
BREAKING NEWS! JJ Abrams will write and direct Star Wars Episode IX! StarWars.com has the full story! Chris Terrio will co-write.
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Heaven help us all!
So happy the Star Wars universe will feel tiny again.
Don’t upset the Disney Star Wars zealots please.
Hey, Return of the Jedi was my favorite, so this ought to be good! 😉
ROTJ is my favorite too, but it wasn’t great filmmaking, and I won’t ever try to convince anyone otherwise. I also acknowledge its flaws when someone presents them too me and understand if that prevents that person from enjoying the film. What makes them like or not like a movie is not for me to say. In my case, those criticisms of ROTJ don’t affect my enjoyment of the movie.
The above is a hint to the thin skinned TFA fans.
What if I told you I completely agree with you but still like TFA? 😉
I would say I can completely understand why you like TFA. As far as popcorn entertainment, it’s perfectly good fare. I hope you respect that I didn’t like it.
I honestly can see why people didn’t like it. I just like Star Wars, so I liked it, but I can full well admit it is a rehash of ANH. While ROTJ is my fav I hope that Ep IX isn’t a rehash of it.
The TFA haters are gonna go into rabid overdrive…love it!
But exponentially less than the blinded Disney Star Wars zealots who take it as a personal insult if you offer any criticism of the film!
There is a difference between criticism and blind hate for Disney.
There are things I don’t like about the film, but it’s overall a great film. Well received by critics and the audience, including most fans I know. It made a ton of money, and is objectively (and subjectively) better than all the prequels combined.
Millennials are unable to understand the definition of the word hate because if someone else doesn’t like what they like or think differently about something, it’s hate. That’s not hate. TFA was dreadful, one of the worst films ever made. I don’t care how well it did at the box office, or how incredible the reviews are from critics. It is a blockbuster film that sold out to the mainstream. It isn’t a continuation of the Star Wars story, but a pathetic copycat of it.
This is why it’s hard to take you seriously when you say “offer any criticism of the film!”…
“TFA was dreadful, one of the worst films ever made.”
That’s not criticism, that’s hate. You’re saying that one of the worst films ever made has a rotten tomatoes and audience rating around 90% and made $2 billion? Ya ok…
It’s not hate. It’s an opinion. You thinking it was the greatest thing ever is not love. It’s an opinion. I don’t go to sleep thinking passionately how much I dislike it. It doesn’t consume me. When the opportunity arises I express my OPINION.
Lots of people dislike Titanic and Avatar. I don’t, but it’s far from unheard of for people to criticize a movie with massive box office. And the “professional” critics are a joke. So using either of those things to claim a movie is “proven” to be good is complete garbage. Make a real argument or don’t bother trying.
Let’s remember, Independence Day was one of the biggest hits of all time and that movie is undeniably objectively bad. Movies with an acceptable brand name that feature lots of ‘splosions tend to be blockbusters.
Sure, but the 2 examples you mentioned have much lower audience scores. Titanic is 69% LOL. And while I’m not a huge fan of those movies either, I don’t think they are anywhere near “one of the worse films of all times.” They have their issues yes, but they are miles beyond the worst.
My point is his comment is extreme and doesn’t align with reality, so it’s pretty hard to take seriously. So yes, my “argument” is “real” lol.
I’ll take ROTS over TFA any day.
The critical praise is increasingly meaningless. It was a financial success. No one can doubt that. The reception of the film is 60/40 in favor in my sampling, but that’s not good. As far as great film, I won’t go there. I think there are objective things we can point to that make it average filmmaking at best.
TLJ won’t do as well as TFA. That’s just the nature of the middle chapter in a trilogy. But how far it falls from TFA’s performance will indicate whether TFA’s financial success was due to being well received or just being “new”.
Finally, Star Wars success is judged differently. It’s not just based on the immediate box office success, but also on the long term relevance. I contend TFA is a firework. Neat to look at, but quickly fading. I predict the PT will have longer lasting pop culture relevance.
People desperately wanted to see the OT characters back on the screen. TFA was guaranteed to make the box office it did on that alone unless they put a Pulp Fiction gimp scene in it or something like that.
Who cares about the critics? They’re like less than 200 people out of 10s of millions who see these movies. And they like garbage like Girl Ghostbusters.
Also, Episode 2 and 3 blow away TFA and TPM is probably better than it as well. TFA is big-budget cosplay Star Wars, not the real thing.
The prequels better? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Now that’s funny
I love your types, any criticism of anything you like is considered “Hate”. This constant condemnation of any disagreement is truly getting sickening.
Uh thanks? TFA is far from perfect (or OT-level) but, my comment was more on the inevitable deluge of TFA haters (who oddly can’t stop commenting about it despite disliking it…you would think if they truly disliked it, indifference would settle in at some point) that are going to get worked up and start spinning instant negativity.
You can have a degree of indifference toward TFA but still be emotionally invested in Episode IX.
Take that same approach to white politicians and white athletes.
What’s the point of liking something if you enjoy when the others don’t?
What will he rehash this time? They should have picked one of the Kasdans instead.
Episode IX will have no ending, just like LOST. LOL.
I guess we can hope that he turns TFA into a dream sequence or alternate reality.
Hey, maybe this dismal state of Star Wars is all a dream. Maybe I am not in this reality. Maybe George Lucas is finishing his story the way it was intended right now. Someone wake me up please?
Perhaps, if it is the will of the Whills, we will get a graphic novel of his story treatments in 20 years or so….
Wasn’t that more Lindelof’s doing?
It’s a joke.
Ah. Over my head then, like an airplane
JJ Abrams is the Rob Liefeld of Star Wars.
Rey is just A Force dream Luke had on dagobah
Best comment ive read all day
This is absolutely the worst possible news, not because I think he’s particularly terrible but because the fan outrage is going to be OFF THE SCALE.
I actually cant believe they went with JJ. I guess they don’t really pay much attention to internet comment sections at Lucasfilm.
Not really. TFA was well-received by the vast majority of critics and fans alike, with 92% and 89% scores on RottenTomatoes respectively. The people who really dislike the movie are just part of a very vocal minority.
Don’t get me wrong I agree with what you say. I just cant bare to imagine the negativity that’s going to result from this announcement – it spoils the fun of the build up to the new film
Eh… there was a lot of whining when he was announced for “Episode 7”, too.
Ya, JTA specifically seems to be a hot bed of these negative vocal minority. Every other site I visit seems relative proportional to its overall rating.
So were Phantom Menace and Crystal Skull. We’ve all seen how bad the merchandise sales have been. The film was a forgettable popcorn flick that doesn’t inspire devotion or much admiration even among the people who claim to like it.
Disagree entirely. I think it’s a hotly divisive film, but those of us that love TFA and the new central characters do so with great ardor. We maybe don’t pack ourselves into homemade BB-8 hamster balls or buy three copies of every action figure, but we fiercely stand by the new themes, feel very grateful for a woman who is actively afraid of the Force and wants nothing more than a family as our lead protagonist, think Kylo Ren is the most fascinating approach to villainy possible in a post-Vader SW universe, and spend a lot of time and money shouting our support from the rafters. It’s a rich film that has supported years of intense discussion. It furnishes an excess of meaning. I get why people don’t like it–sorta–but it’s neither forgettable nor empty.
Of course not. Hollywood is no different than politicians. They don’t listen to the people. They tell the people what is good for them.
“Let them eat cake.”
As long as he brings back the Ewoks, I’m okay.
Yay, the trilogy will end with everything still being in his cursed mystery box to set up the next trilogy.
This is exactly my fear.
Agreed. I don’t want an entire new trilogy to focus on Rey, Kylo, Poe and Finn. They’re barely carrying their weight now. Rey is inexplicably too powerful, Finn is boring and Poe is underdeveloped at this point. Kylo killed Han Solo, so he has to go. If he gets redeemed ala Vader it’ll be even more of a rehash. Most of the terrible things Anakin did were either off-screen moments relayed in exposition or shown in the PT. The worst moment for me personally is when he kills the children. But it’s still just a movie and in the end I didn’t love those background actor kids like I love the character of Han Solo. Kylo needs to be destroyed. It also makes sense in-story. Snoke and Kylo believe that Vader lived an almost perfect life as a Sith and was weakened in one critical moment by his love for his son. But that’s what ultimately redeemed Vader. Kylo killed Han to prove to himself that he wouldn’t be weak in that way like Vader. Therefore, imo, he is beyond redemption.
Luke Skywalker is my boyhood hero. What I was hoping for with a new Star Wars trilogy was a final chapter to Luke’s story, setting up the possibility for new stories beyond. TFA jumped us ahead, skipping past a major, major moment in Luke’s story (the fall of Ben and the destruction of the Jedi Academy) and dropped us right into Rey’s story. I like Rey, but Luke’s full story is still more important to me.
Re: Kylo, I think they’re going to find a way to pseudo-redeem him. He feels the pull to the light. He’s going to “fall” to the light, even if he remains a pariah for his patricide. The thought has crossed my mind that Ben Solo is trying Luke Skywalker’s plan from Dark Empire – conquering the dark side from within. He needs to go to the dark side to get close to Snoke and learn how to destroy him. He knows he has to kill Han to prove his loyalty to Snoke. Puts another spin on his line “I know what I have to do. But I need your help.” (It’s still very twisted.)
Interesting theory. Luke was my boyhood hero too. I have grown up to admire actual people that aren’t fictional in life, but Luke is still a hero of mine. As much as a fictional character can be, anyway. I honestly don’t think Kylo is trying what Luke attempted in Dark Empire, but props for referencing that awesome comic. The new Disney canon has been mining the old EU for ideas, so it’s not an outrageous theory. Personally, I think Kylo needs to die. If for no other reason than to be different from Vader’s end.
I don’t think Kylo can die, because it would be such a deflating, ignominious end to the Skywalker legacy. Anakin was conceived by the Force, brought balance to the Force as the Chosen One with the help of his son, Luke. We have no good idea what happened to Luke in the last 30 years (did he grow more powerful than Anakin?). Leia seems to have never developed any Force powers, and with Fisher’s passing it seems unlikely that she will in The Last Jedi. (Before Fisher died, I was hoping for a stunning reveal in 8 or 9 that Leia has been hiding massive Force powers.) I doubt Luke has had any children, or will. So Kylo is the last of the Skywalker line. For him to die, taken out by a dark sider who doesn’t measure up to Palpatine or the other great Sith Lords (so far), and the Skywalker line to end, I just can’t see.
If he’s killed I would assume that Rey kills him. And we don’t know who she is yet. I definitely wouldn’t put it past Disney to make Rey some lost Skywalker. Then she’d carry the family legacy. 🙂
Gotta make those dollar bills!
Thank you for sharing this, best news all day!
Are you trolling, LOL?
The majority of people actually enjoyed TFA.
I know, too much poison Kool Aid drinking. But Danny, I thought, doesn’t like Episode VII.
Ya, because if we enjoyed it we must be drinking the Kool Aid. Nothing says quality opinion like bringing up Kool Aid…
You’re getting way too upset because someone else doesn’t like TFA.
Upset? Just disappointed in the unprofessionalism. But hey, it’s your site, have at it.
Aw, poor baby. Your feelings are hurt. Can I buy you an ice cream cone? With that make you feel value again?
Lol, your attempts to deflect are hilariously pathetic. They also continue to highlight that as an author of this site, you are resoundingly unprofessional.
But that seems to be the reputation you are looking for, so good job!
It’s his site, we’re not paying, so he gets to define professional.
I’d love to see the analysis for question #2 from the reader survey pop up before there’s a new director for the Obi-Wan movie though.
No, he doesn’t get to “define professional.” He just gets to decide whether or not he will be professional for his site. He literally attacks his own readers and makes blatantly childish claims/assumptions about them. This unprofessional behavior most especially in the comments section is part of what has given this site the negative reputation it has. So much so that other sites have blocked/banned people from talking about it.
Other sites have banned people from talking about the comments section of a Star Wars toy website?
I get along with anyone who isn’t a troll and continuously tells me what a terrible person I am. So, why are you still here? You don’t like me or this site, so why are you obsessively posting here? Move along, please.
Unprofessional? What’s that mean?
Isn’t there a protest at a university you should be at?
Watch out now. They liable to riot in your yard or tear down your mailbox. 😉
Isn’t there a new joke you two could come up with? Seems JJ has more originality than either of you two.
Unprofessionalism? That’s me. I am not wearing pants.
Al Gore invented pants
No he didn’t. He invented the internet. After that he invented the smartphone (while not wearing pants). Then he invented buying indulgences for his sins by having a larger carbon footprint than most people, but says he recycles things, so it’s okay. Otherwise, I wouldn’t mind getting in his pants. Oh, wait, I meant Tipper’s pants.
Make sure it is quality Kool Aid. Get the sugary stuff. The sugar free stuff is gross. (Just my opinion. I am sure some enjoy sugar-free soft drinks)
I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it either.
I’m not gonna lie, I enjoyed TFA for what it was but it didn’t do anything for me. Not the type of movie that I’d watch over and over for years/decades to come. The OT did that for me, even the PT from a certain point of view. I just hope J.J. can deliver this time around.
I did too, but JJ is too concerned with his mystery box and surprising his audience. Problem is, that isn’t what Star Wars is about. Surprises do come since we follow the main character and know what they know, but JJ not only intentionally hides things, but he teases the audience with what we don’t know. Look at Rey’s identity–she knows who she is and even says it’s “top secret, apparently.”
Wow. This was actually predicted like last week
Just when I thought this news couldn’t get any worse I learn that Chris Terrio is co-writing – Chris Terrio who wrote BATMAN v SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE.
I feel a deep depression coming on…..
That’s the only good news. BVS challenged the audience’s assumptions about the characters and had originality and depth, the opposite of what Abrams usually does. Argo was also a great script and Justice League looks promising in the trailers.
Okay – imagine your intense dislike for TFA, and then multiply it by 10 and then quadruple it you might get close to how I feel about BvS. Only difference is I’m not constantly moaning on DC fan sites about how much I utterly despise BvS. I just choose to ignore it.
We’re not constantly moaning about it either, LOL. Just when it gets brought up in breaking news like this. 🙂
Yeah, I was not a fan either. I did not feel good after watching that movie. I felt good after seeing TFA, I don’t always feel good thinking about certain aspects of it since having seen it, but at least it accomplished it’s basic purpose of entertaining me. BvS did not.
Depth? You tease, surely?
Get ready for the naysayers and whiners :rollseyes:
I don’t really know how I feel about this. Second time is the charm?
Same here. I guess I’ll be excited or disappointed once I see how ep. 8 turns out.
Agree, let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves.
Are we still doing lens flare jokes or???
LOL! I was waiting for a comment like this!
Honestly I hope not. I find them as ridiculous as the next person but those jokes got old a long time ago.
This sequel trilogy is truly doomed.
Trying to remain positive……back In January ’16 he acknowledged the criticism of TFA:
“Oh, it’s a complete rip-off!
What was important for me was introducing brand new characters using relationships that were embracing the history that we know to tell a story that is new — to go backwards to go forwards.”
I can only hope he stays true to his word. I’m fine with TFA doing what it did but it would be unacceptable if it doesn’t go off on its own direction in the next two instalments.
This time EVERY character gets a RED ARM!
I chuckled pretty good at that!
And you get a red arm! And you get a red arm! And you get a red arm!! Everyone gets a red arm!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc7a5736f568e2d576c90e0e48e5346a68c348cbf4001bec0c53aed50084394c.jpg
There are two problems with the red arm; it is gone by the end of the film, and the comic they created to explain the backstory of it.
I know most people on this site hate TFA, but this is good news. Sure TFA played it safe, and doesn’t feel AT ALL like an original trilogy SW movie, but it was still a solid/good film that could have been MUCH worse. It was a pretty daunting task to reboot the series after the prequels, and considering he essentially had to create a new universe, he did a good job. Hopefully the second time around he feels freer to take risks.
loathe, dislike, despise, abhor. Not hate.
It’s okay to say it. I hate it. Unashamedly. It’s honestly not legitimate in my eyes.
Rogue One on the other hand… In my opinion one of the best of them all.
Hopefully your right. Perhaps this will be JJs opportunity to redeem himself in the minds of the keyboard warriors.
I liked TFA. Don’t let Paul’s hate define the ‘site’s’ hate 🙂
Unfortunately it comes across that way because he is sooooo vocal about it in the comments (and articles).
Get over it. Feelings get hurt in real life. Don’t believe your college when they tell you that you’ll live in a perfect safe space once you leave.
Lol Paul. I of all people have no problems getting my feelings hurt. College didn’t make me a softy, blah blah. I know it’s in your instinct to just label everyone who disagrees with you a softy millennial, that’s your way of deflecting from having a constructive comment.
It’s a fact that your comments have given this site a reputation for being obtusely negative about everything new in Star Wars. It’s something that people on other sites/forums discuss/mention often.
I’m just pointing out to Chuck that thats a thing and why people are mentioning that in their comments.
Nothing about “feelings hurt” here.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!! YOU describe everyone who disagrees with you a HATER! Try looking in the mirror!
Chuck is only kidding. I suppose you missed his smiley face?
I am entitled to my comments just as much as you’re entitled to your own.
Where did I call everyone who disagrees with me a hater? I’ve had many constructive conversations with people who don’t like TFA and there are totally valid criticisms. There are things I don’t like about it as well.
You are “entitled” to your opinion. And like I said, it’s your site, do what you want. I’m just pointing out why your site has gained such a reputation and why people are mentioning that to some of your fellow authors.
If you want JTA to be the “Info Wars” of the Star Wars fan sites, thats your right to do so.
Read the article. How is their any slant (from a JTA perspective) or anything? This is the comments section where ALL opinions are welcomed.
i take back everything i said before about Paul should stop infiltrating the comments. i need this today. please dive in.
I don’t know what this means, LOL.
its ok, i realized its not as fun when you dont come into the comment section, regardless of what i said in those surveys.
Yes, and as a badged JTA representative, your comments inform the audience’s perception of JTA as a whole. If you don’t understand that from a business stand point, then that’s your failure. Also your comments are so far beyond actual opinion. They’re just childish rants, and attacks, lol.
Sure, it’s all entertaining. But in that bad comedy kind of way. All fart and poop jokes.
You mean bad comedy like holding an American President’s severed head and then claiming “you” (the so-called comedian) is being picked on when things go bad.
You don’t get it, you must not get JTA.
Don’t know what Kathy Griffin’s BS has to do with any of this.
Oh I get JTA, it has become (or is) a sesspool of childish rants and baseless hate/angst. Constructive conversation is non-existent, and JTAs own authors troll the comments.
It’s why JTA has such a horrible reputation unfortunately. Oh well.
I don’t care what ANYONE thinks or says about us. We are killing it with our traffic and Alexa ranking. Besides, all of those trolls are always here. It’s HYSTERICAL. We are only thousands of places away (out of billions of ranked websites) from the Big Fish and they get most of their traffic from forums (which we don’t have).
Hey, that’s fine. That’s your choice. Info Wars gets a ton of traffic too. Doesn’t mean everything there isn’t complete hogwash. If you want to be the vacuum for the hate, good news, you are a success!
Vacuum for the hate. You are so misinformed. At least I didn’t say you suck.
Misinformed? lol, ok. It’s the reputation for this site on every other fan site. My information comes directly from fans outside this site. People have even confirmed the same sentiment within the comments on this article. But I guess that makes me “misinformed?” lol
Who is the BIG FISH?
EW and the like?
Lots of people like TFA lots don’t. Lots of people like Katy Perry lots don’t. So lots like JTA lots don’t. So you don’t like JTA, no biggie. Doesn’t mean it or it’s creators or fans is terrible.
Concur. This is why I dodge this site for the most part. I’m all for criticism of TFA and debate it often with friends and strangers that don’t like it. The tone here, though, is just rancid, and the analysis is incredibly weak. Arguments for WHAT the new trilogy is up to are washed out in a tide of ‘I’m entitled to not like it,’ making any conversation about the film’s narrative choices impossible. Further, the tone here has become a beacon for barely disguised reactionary Trumpism that regards every question about representation in casting as another shrill missive from some imagined progressive HQ of feral unshaved lesbians hell-bent on ruining the treehouse. I don’t mind some hot sauce in the banter, but a lot of attitude masquerades as logic here, making worthwhile conversation difficult-to-impossible.
I was relieved to find on most other sites that my disappointment is not uncommon.
Blah, blah, blah…. What you really mean is….
“I am on JTA 24/7 but remain silent until I have an opportunity to join the pack of attacking Paul for having an opinion different than mine so I can attack too. Forget about all of the original content they bring, I am just going to tear him and the site down and forget the good they do.”
No, dude, what we mean is that you’re a whiny child that we can’t engage–and we’ve tried. You just dropped your patented move again: leapt to all manner of assumptions that this is another culture-war cliche, and then swatted a comment away with your all-purpose dismissiveness stick.
I’ve also been vocal about the very solid collecting news your site delivers. It’s pretty clearly the best of the bunch, both for industry reports and for tips to grab hard-to-find stuff. But I’m almost never here, despite your towering self-regard, because you’re not fun. You treat every Hasbro decision that doesn’t conform to your ideal for the industry as if they’ve personally pissed in your Cheerios and kicked your grandma’s chair over–but whenever someone in the comments section expresses even half of your near-constant outrage about something potentially more significant, you dismiss them as needing to ‘grow up.’ Then you salt on everyone in the current trilogy, especially anyone that makes any statement about female or POC representation–which would be fine on its own, dude, but after dropping a headline with a political opinion, you promptly dismiss any other responses to that opinion on grounds that you don’t like people polluting your precious SW with political opinions. Which essentially is the behaviour of soapbox prophets. This approach carries over into the comments section, where a lot of people trot out very strong cultural statements, and then deride anyone who has a differing view as being a snowflake who thinks their toy hobby has to be political, oh wow, what sniveling college children.
Echo chamber, bro. It’s just sad, is all. Kinda sours a really good collector’s site.
You’re delusional. I have a great relationship with Hasbro. Try reading the reviews. I have literally choked Hasbro staff up with my glowing reviews and they have thanked me profusely for both good and bad reviews. They love our strong positive glowing feedback and direct criticism. If they can handle, then so should you.
You’re just like all the other trolls. You twist my words, my attitudes, my feelings and claim to know that status of my mind and heart. You have an attitude with my delivery, and I am not changing that now.
Your politically focused slams are so RIDICULOUS I can’t even respond. I loathe politics and don’t subscribe to either end of the political spectrum, but I would rather be set on fire than hear any social justice warrior argument ruin a precious hobby such as Star Wars.
A bit harsh – you’re correct that the ‘Mark Hamill expressing politics post’ was a case of staggering hypocrisy, but Paul does engage fully with readers who disagree with him, as long as they are polite. Which I’ve learned to be.
I wish I could agree; I’d prefer to talk with people that *don’t* agree with me about the subjects the new trilogy tends to kick up. But manners only work when either all parties adhere to them, or there’s such vertical status at play that the underlings had best be polite regardless of the behaviour of their superiors. I see no evidence of the former and have no interest in abiding the latter.
To be fair I think PH has made concessions and listened to some of the criticism in recent months – bringing this new contributor Colin on board to cover some of the new media seemed to be a positive step. And most importantly, the RDRs are free of the vitriol we might see in the comments section. He’s not just indulging in a blanket coverge of hate as far as the editorial content is concerned – that Info Wars comparison was totally unfair. I have made similar observations in the past but on reflection I’ve been guilty of jumping to conclusions. I’ve read a lot of infuriating comments in the discussions that can be interpreted as alt-right-esque but I’ve also seen how I come across as an SJW through my Disqus comments and that’s not me at all. I think people get baited into making controversial comments when they feel like they are having their voices silenced, and people are regularly telling PH to stop having an opinion on his own site.
I give you credit for your admission.
I’ll give him credit for the completely useless and amazingly stupid contradicting tangent he went on. I’m really shocked at how many people wasted their time responding to his projections.
I will also give him credit along with the other pussycat for being the typical Trump deranged liberals that have to vent about Trump when he is not even part of the conversation. These people have seriously lost it and have not recovered.
A valuable observation. Nobody likes feeling silenced, and nobody can fairly expect the silenced to comport themselves with great dignity as they elbow room back out for themselves.
I think a frequent problem that leads to battles on this site is that the rules for engagement aren’t clear or consistent, and I think this comes from the top. PH really likes to sling the sauce around in the comments, and even in the more political headlines, but gets caustic, mocking and/or unfoundedly dismissive fast when faced with any but the most polite opposition. He makes a lot of assumptions about his foes’ stances and dismisses them with political buzzwords favored by the right, but then decries the politicization of the site and hobby. I think this then emboldens foes of his ‘side’ to get similarly saucy–a retort that is met not with jocular ribbing, but caustic attacks (that also often have that alt-right flavour you mentioned). PH declares his protection for all opinions, but in practice it rarely functions that way.
I think this is solvable. If PH wants to crow his views like it’s a barroom, that’s fine; barrooms are fun. But then he needs to keep it consistent and joyful. Part of what makes the garrulous barroom vibe work is the post-battle hug-out, which is easier to do when snide name-calling and unexamined hypocrisy are kept in check.
You’re the one bringing up ”buzzwords for the right; alt-right”. What does that have to do? What is ”alt-right” anyway? Is that like Hillary blaming her loss on misogyny? I do not like politicians
Maybe you’ll remember some of the name-calling, snowflake-attacking tactics on display here once you finish your (no doubt challenging) transformation from a heavy metal werewolf back into a man.
Bro. Stop while you’re ahead. You’re coming off as triggered as they come.
Ahh, nice, and the name calling begins. Not sure what a heavy metal werewolf is. Is that part of the ”buzzwords for the right” or the ”alt-right” terminology you referred to earlier? By the way stick and stones may hurt my bones but names will never hurt me.
Does that mean I can call you a fuzzball?
Lol. Or a walking carpet.
Dude! Chill! No one is calling anybody names (well, except you with the ‘crybaby’ bon mot, but no big thang.) Your Disqus handle is the title of a Metallica song about turning into a bloody werewolf. If we can’t laugh at ourselves a little on a site for adults who play with toys, we’re all hanged.
What I was suggesting is that your memory of PH’s alt-right buzzword deployment seems fuzzy. Werewolf transformations can do that to a guy. I’m sympathizing with you, Dude, but feel free to take offense.
Hahahah. Crybaby- yes I did. Remember I’ve gone No-More-Mr. Niceguy. I am not familiar with bloody werewolves except I did see the American Werewolf in London movie. I didn’t even know Metallica is still around. Your words: once you finish your (no doubt challenging)……. So obviously that was meant as an insult. And then you use the tactic of “can’t laugh at ourselves…..” I get how people use that sort of thing as you just did. That would be like me saying your mom doesn’t mind my werewolf transformations. Just kidding. But see, I didn’t say that. But I could have. Thank you for allowing me to ”feel free to take offense.” What a relief.
“Chill!” Where’s the anger, hatred, hostility? Certainly not from me. Yet.
He’s history. I was sick of his lies and false accusations just because he’s a flaming liberal. Wait until he enters the real world. He won’t be able to cope.
How do I upvote this 100 times?
Thanks for the backup, Geoff.
I can ban you and then you won’t be able to up-vote it at all. I am not changing who I am, so go away if you don’t like it.
Conversely, Paul: Why do you feel the need to attack TFA at every turn? Are your feelings hurt? Get over it like you tell everyone else to.
Oh, and shut up with the Trumpism crap. He is our president. Get over it. She lost the election! Time to move on. One day you’ll wake up and grow up.
Please no politics on JTA. It’s awful enough everywhere else. 🙁
Actually I can get on board with that and would like to apologize for dragging the word ‘Trumpism’ into the fray. I think there’s no way around discussing some political trends–what is art, if it doesn’t live in its time–but it needn’t, and shouldn’t, turn into another tired retread of the presidency.
Ahh yes, JTA, “a beacon for barely disguised reactionary Trumpism ” as he calls it. Nailed it. Look, I am using words!
Then go away? How’s that?
Make America Great Again! Triggered?
You two above, are crybabies.
I had a long well thought out (at least for me) reply prepared. I knew someone else would have the conciseness I lacked. Well done.
I’ve tried politeness, reasoning, fairness, calmness, and it hasn’t been working. So I went with the no-more-Mr.-Niceguy route.
Dude if you think this is bad, don’t come where I tend to hang my hat normally these days: chan boards. You’d be broken within minutes.
oh snap, college didnt make him no softy!
What does this even mean? I’m quite sure my college said no such things.
I don’t hate anything. I am just smart enough to realize what a dreadful film TFA is.
You’re entitled to your opinion.
Having an opinion doesn’t make you smart (or dumb).
You know when people say “hate” they really just mean “strongly dislike” right? S it actually physiologically possible to truly hates film? We all know you gave no hate in your heart, but you say the same thing every time someone says you hate something. 🙂 Just substitute hate for strongly dislike.
See Star Trek Into Darkness. That will answer your question.
You had to remind me why I was so apprehensive about JJ and the new SW. I liked the first Star Trek movie, but the second it was an atrocious attempt to remaking the Wrath of Khan for fan service when it wasn’t even necessary.
That’s the reason why JJ should stay away from SW. I think he did OK on TFA, but I don’t want to push my luck a second time.
No, he didn’t do a good job. He did an AWFUL job. He created horrible new characters with no resonance, put forth a recycled visual design, failed to advance the story in any exciting or interesting way, didn’t create any memorable dialogue and killed off a classic OT character before he was able to reunite with the other OT stars or do anything meaningful in the story.
Are you going to see Episode IX? Will you buy a ticket? Will you buy toys for it?
We’ll all buy the toys. It’s part of the sickness. 🙂
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I think you’re in the minority. Even though it may not resonate with us the way the OT did, it has certainly found an audience, and box office/ blu ray sales back that up. I don’t disagree with all of your points, but in terms of a recycled visual design I think he had to show a natural progression from the OT as the First Order was based off the Empire, so with the exception of Starkiller Base (which was dumb), it makes sense that designs would be recycled and evolve. Also, I’m pretty sure it has been reported that Harrison Ford would only sign on if they killed off Han Solo- something he wanted in ROTJ.
I think Ford signed on without the specific provision that Han would die, but Abrams and Kasdan realized fairly early on that the character had no point in being there unless something big happened with him, which was his death while trying to convince Ben to come back from the dark side. From a character/plot stand point I think it was the right decision to kill Han. I am even willing to make the case that you could have killed him in ROTJ and it would have been okay.
NO! Just no! Have you seen Into Dumbness? It’s a complete ripoff of Trek 2 which disproves your theory.
The universe was already created. JJ just changed the names and made it visually less…Star Wars.
Suspect the new ESB aka TLJ will be the best of the bunch. Bring GL back for one more.
Mark Hamill gets zero lines again!
I thought Luke was getting killed off in TLJ….
Nah… Han (TFA), then Leia (TLJ), THEN Luke (Ep.IX)
This made me sad….
Yeah… but we keep Chewie forever, now.
He who was first will now be last.
Nah. Han (TFA) then Leia (TLJ), THEN Admiral Ackbar (Ep. IX)
You shoosh, right now!
Okay okay. THEN Supreme Admiral Ackbar! Give the fish a promotion before he gets reeled in by that big hook in the sky.
Ackbar is Snoke! Or Ackabar is Rey’s father!
Wow… now things are looking much more interesting for IX
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO(INSERT FIRST HALF OF ROTJ HERE)OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO(INSERT LENS FLARE HERE)OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO(INSERT LENS FLARE HERE)OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO(INSERT LENS FLARE HERE)OOOOOOOOO(INSERT SECOND HALF OF ROTJ HERE)OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(INSERT INCOMPLETE PLOT ‘TWISTS’ HERE)
It will be a remake of The Force Awakens.
No point in even seeing the TLJ now. I already know the plot of IX now.
I think you already know the plot of TLJ too…
Lol! Sad part is it could be
LOL!! I would pay to see that hahaha
Don’t care how much TLJ sucks, It’s now officially the best episode of the trilogy.
Brilliant! And probably true. What is meesa sayin”? Of course it’ll be true!
Yes most likely!
EP9: Return of the Jedi Turtle Nuns
Ugh. Terrible news. Most overrated director in history. At least Chris Terrio is a great writer. Just look at the depth and complexity in Batman V Superman vs. a shallow film like TFA or an MCU film. But doesn’t seem like a good fit considering Abrams’ near total inability to put an original, complex or challenging concept into a movie. Abrams is the poster boy for putting out a cheap, formula product for the emptyheaded masses to gobble up.
Question. If you had a choice JJ or Trevorro? Who would you prefer????
Trevorrow obviously. Jurassic World was excellent, far better than anything Abrams has ever done. I objected to Abrams as soon as he was hired for TFA and I was proven right. The movie sucked.
At least you have Indiana Jones 5 to look forward too.
Maybe write Lucasfilm a handwritten letter so they can really hear you.
How is Lucasfilm going to make it with a white male lead?
I’d rather write Disney since Lucasfilm can’t fire its own CEO.
They just dropped the boys. So it’s now for 10-year olds.
Alas I dont’ think it’s for you anymore.
It’s utterly impossible to do that. The OT was as close as you can get to appealing to girls without turning off boys. Girls are mostly not interested in this kind of material. SJWs are in love with the idea of taking it away from boys though, even though they know girls don’t want it.
I like that it’s not the same thing again. We already have Luke and Anakin. So having Rey is refreshing. The focus of this trilogy could turn more towards Kylo Ren – which is also refreshing. He’s like Darth Vader before he was in the suite. Lots of story potential there.
He’s like Darth Vader before he was in the suite….. yep I can not help but feel JJ’s didsain for the PT was his driving force here and show his ego at thinking he could remake the story of Anakin but better.
Not better. Different. Ben Solo / Kylo Ren has the most potential to really shake up where this story is going. He wants to be Anakin / Vader, but it seems like he doesn’t the same level of innate talent. And he’s tempted to not be part of the dark side.
I’m so curious about what Snoke is teaching and what his affiliation is with the force.
Kylo is a whiner.
Star Wars is for everyone. That doesn’t mean the sexes or colors of the characters need to be reversed to do this, but it’s for everyone. If you’re a fan, you like it whether or not there is a white male lead. I am not a fan of Disney Star Wars, but I am a fan of Star Wars.
JJ without a doubt, Jurassic World was a piece of crap.
Yes. Depth and complexity in BvS:
“Wait, you’re mom is Martha too???? BEST FRIENDS!”
The fact that you think that was the logic behind that scene shows the depth and complexity of the movie was above and beyond your capacity for thought.
Wow. Alright…. I’ll go back to listening to my Twin Peaks recap podcast so I can get back to something a little shallower since I can’t comprehend things.
But really, I know that maybe wasn’t the intent of the logic of the scene, but that is how it played out on screen. Overall that was painful movie to watch. It managed to somehow feel both dragged out and rushed at the same time.
Additionally, Star Wars isn’t meant to be some overly deep thing. Its fun, space wizard escapism. I would say that is what JJ excels at, escapism.
It’s the depth in the OT that made it what it is. It most certainly is much more than shallow escapism.
I watched BVS 5 or 6 times so far and never experienced any pain. It’s a beautifully shot film with incredibly thought-provoking and deep concepts and characterization. It’s the most adult superhero film ever made next to Watchmen.
Wow, that sounds like torture, but to each their own. I barely made it through the first watch.
And yea the OT has some depth. I’m not saying there is zero depth there. But in the end it is a classic good vs. evil heroes journey.
Say what you will about Lost, but I don’t think you can say there is no depth going on there.
The confusion I have is people both complaining that TFA is a beat for beat remake of ANH, but also claiming that ANH has more depth. You can’t really have both. Though to be fair, ANH clearly has the least depth of the OT films (at least in my opinion). I’d say ANH and TFA are defintiely on a similar level when it comes to that. We needed to be introduced to these new characters much like we did in ANH. I full expect TLJ and E9 to up the ante in the depth department like ESB and ROTJ did.
Like it or not, TFA did need to on some level be a reboot to help wash away the sins of the prequels and get both a new and (most of) the old generation excited about it.
That isn’t necessary.
“Depth and complexity in Batman vs. Superman”
Is that sarcasm?
Seriously though, this really sucks!… Even if TLJ is by chance amazing, I still have no hype or interest for IX…
I agree. I’m completely heartbroken by this announcement.
We’ve heard of the Mystery Box to set up JJ’s movies. Get ready for the Resolution Chest to wrap up this trilogy.
Spielberg for Episode 10!!!!
I knew they were going to HAVE to make a move real soon, shooting is supposed to start in Jan. and they need a Story still. I bet Larry Kasdan will also return to co-write. I certainly hope so. WIth JJ pretty much having conceived this Star Wars Universe now, it was the best move they could have done with where they are at with the really tight Window of only a couple Month’s to write the Story.
Nevermind about Kasdan. I actually read the Article and see Terrio is co-writing.
For now. Plenty of time for another bunch of writers to cycle in and out before 2019.
Probably lol. One thing ep IX will have to do for me is justify why we jumped into the Story now, instead of say when Han and Leia had Ben, and Luke formed a new Jedi Academy. What event’s would be bigger than that? However ep IX wrap’s up the Story, it will have to be alot bigger in scope than those moment’s between ROTJ and TFA. Episode IX is going to have to have a HUGE “payoff” in the end to justify us being here.
I’m with you. The obvious but unsatisfying answer is that this trilogy is Rey’s story. It was very disorienting for me to be dropped right into what felt very much like the middle of a more important story (Ben’s fall) at the start of TFA, and I think that’s why my first reaction after seeing TFA was pretty negative. I like Rey, but she’s not my boyhood hero like Luke Skywalker, and it’s still much more important to me to learn what happened with his Jedi Academy than what happens to Rey. I suspect that feels like a much more important story to the original Star Wars generation than Rey’s rise.
Yeah, i agree this is Rey’s Story, and in the end she will be whatever the evolution of the Force is in this Trilogy. Because of how big those past event’s are, it tell’s me this Story will kind of go beyond just Jedi and Sith, and what we have known before. I always thought that, then when the Trailer came out and the “The Jedi must end” line came about, it really led me to believe were going into sort of a “Bendu” territory.
But with them pumping out a Movie a Year, i could see us visiting a time period in between ROTJ and TFA. The Battle Of Jakku would be a prime canidate in a “Rogue One” kind of way.
I have no doubt we’ll get a movie or multiple books/comics covering Ben’s fall sooner or later.
From 1983 to 2015, Luke, Leia and Han’s story felt complete. We got further stories (e.g. the post-ROTJ EU novels and comics), but the new material added to the overall stories without creating holes in their timelines. Then TFA told a story that implied a big, gaping holes in their timelines. Suddenly we *knew* that we didn’t know everything important there was to know about our heroes. That has been a weird adjustment for me. I want to know everything there is to know about Luke, and it bugs me that I can’t know, and that the story will likely just be trickled out over the next decade.
The “best”? Did you see The Force Awakens?
Oh, i have brought up the problem’s i had with “The Force Awakens”, i don’t hate on the Movie though. A few “tweak’s” here and there it could of been alot better. Having Starkiller take out the Star in a System instead of the Planet’s. No stupid “Han Solo” from Maz when he walk’s in her Castle. And a different Shot to start to the Movie, i would of shown a HUGE Star Destroyer, bigger than any we have seen before, instead of the “underneath” view we got. A shot that would make the 1st Order seem more “fierce” in Space, to go along with how viscious they slaughter the Villager’s.
But with only a couple Month’s to write a Star Wars Movie before shooting start’s, to bring in a new Writer/Director now would be a mess. I’m sure JJ already has most of the Story worked out, or at least know’s the Story “reveals” the Movie must hit. He just has to get the Character’s to the places that he already know’s they are going. Someone new would be starting from scratch. So yes, in this circumstance of a 3 Month writing period, i really think JJ is the best choice.
Kasdan had no new ideas. His goal was to recycle every crappy idea Lucas rejected in the ’80s.
But who is doing the music for this?
John Williams. Haven’t heard otherwise for the Saga films.
Not to be a jinx or a downer, but I bet he passes on before the film gets to that point. He’s very old.
Maybe he can put a few melodies to paper first.
We can certainly hope. By far one if not the greatest composer of our day.
Our day and any other day.
Ahhh.. jeez. :-/
Is it wrong that I ran straight here after the announcement just to see Paul’s reaction? 😉
Uh-oh. Is this why I feel like I am always being stalked on the web? 🙂
Not just the web
Oh crap. I thought you were permanently gone. 🙁
Nah, I’m like herpes when you have a job interview 🙂
I don’t know what that means.
Ugh, dont you work in healthcare? You should have some health literacy.
I don’t deal with other humans.
Sounds like something a crazy cat lady would say.
It shows 🙂
Wait. What does that make me?
That’s probably best.
Dang!I hear my students in the classroom. Time for class. I’d much rather stay here and trade witty repartee
That’s an interesting simile to use…
Can you put up the obligatory gif of Grandpa Abe walking in and out of the brothel please.
I was just about to post that!
Whoa, look at Hux here correctly using “simile.” Impressive. Most impressive.
There is more drama in these forums with all the bellyaching and crying than the actual films.
First thing I thought of 🙂
Well at least we got rogue one. Maybe the next trilogy will be worth watching
Eh I honestly don’t think Rogue One was that great. The third act was really good, but the first two thirds of the movie were just absolutely rushed and lazy. And something that really turned me off with the movie is that it wasn’t fun and exciting. It’s not a horrible movie (I liked parts of it), but it just felt empty at times. Force Awakens did everything I wanted it to, and I couldn’t be happier with this announcement.
I agree with you on Rogue One completely and disagree with you on TFA completely.
RO’s weakness are the uninspiring main characters. I don’t care for any of them. I cared much more for Baze and Chirrut and even Bodhi. But Jyn and Cassian? Boring.
Oh look, a bunch of people whining about a movie that hasn’t even been written or directed yet.
The SJWs do it all the time. They just got an actor fired from the as-yet-unmade Hellboy movie by doing it. It can be effective.
Build the wall.
I’ll just keep watching the OT and Rogue One. I have 4 movies I can be passionate about. I’m sure there are plenty of other people to buy the toys and movie tickets from the sequel trilogy.
Obviously 9 is going to feel rushed and claustrophobic but on the positive side, we will get to see equivalents of Jabba and Sarlacc, a Death Star 4, Han Solo 2 being unfrozen from something that could be carbonite, and obviously the redemption of the bad guy at the end 🙂
I’m just glad we’re getting new Star Wars movies.
You’re so right!
That kind of thinking won’t catch on in this fandom lol. Why look forward to something when you can irrationally hate on it?
Doesn’t this happen in any concentrated forum for a hobby?
I don’t know. I don’t go to any other concentrated forum for a hobby.
Yes there are people like that in every forum for every hobby. But I think it’s always been particularly noticeable in the Star Wars fandom. It’s a huge franchise so naturally you are going to get some undesirable people that hate on almost everything that isn’t the original trilogy (or at least everything that wasn’t touched by Lucas).
Some people seem to deprive more joy out of disliking something and trying to convince others they should dislike it too than simply enjoying the fact we get new movies and merch to buy.
We got three movies and that’s all we should ever, ever have, ever. Boohoo.
it’s okay, I agree with you.
Yeah, Rogue One wasn’t a steaming pile of poo. Hopefully Episode VII will deliver. But I AM concerned about Episode IX now. JJ should never touch SW again.
Despite TFA’s weaknesses, I have faith in Abrams. Even for all of its flaws, TFA was never going to appease everyone. I would not have wanted to have been responsible for co-writing and directing the 1st sequel in 32 years to the most beloved sci-fi franchise of all time. I’m optimistic with that overwhelming pressure behind him, IX will be solid and entertaining.
Well, based on TFA I would disagree, but hopefully he will prove me wrong. I will remain guarded however.
That I can totally understand.
Agree with this! What still surprise me is all the general hate towards George Lucas related to the PT, but now there is a mediocre acceptance from the masses related to TFA and its dreadful history. What happened with all of those making campaigns against George Lucas? Why so silent now? Star Wars is now diluted for all tastes, how sad.
Never touch Star Wars or Star Trek this one man for myself, has nearly destroyed my 2 most cherished franchises
I don’t really like the new Trek movies. But: JJ’s movies brought Star Trek back from the dead. Let’s be honest, most Star Trek movies are bad. The last few TNG movies were embarrassing. Enterprise, while not as bad as many claim it to be, didn’t really break new ground and only found its voice when it was too late, unfortunately. So Star Trek was utterly dead when JJ made the first reboot movie, for which he didn’t write the script btw.
Star Wars was also in danger of becoming irrelevant. TFA was a rehash, yes, but it managed to put the movie franchise back on the map. TFA is the most successful movie (not adjusted for inflation) in the USA ever. This was not an easy task.
I sincerely hope that now, that Star Wars is an established movie franchise again, Ep VIII and IX won’t repeat the mistakes of Ep VII. The people involved are not idiots. I reserve final judgment until TLJ opens in December. We’ll know a lot more then.
Yup. Into Darkness was as shameless a copy if Wrath of Kahn as TFA was of ANH. The guy lacks originality of any kind.
JJ had the most input on Into Darkness and that was a shameless rehash of Wrath of Kahn. Worse of a copy than TFA was of ANH. Just because he got people to watch Trek again doesn’t mean the movies are any bear as good as the original 6(five of tgem, anyway). First Contact was a better film than any of the three new ones. The other TNG films were weak, but Nemesis was ok. About the quality that we got with Beyond.
As I said, I don’t really like the new Trek movies, 3 was ok(ish), 1 was dumb, 2 was annoying and an insult. First Contact is the best TNG movie, Nemesis, in my opinion was a disaster, and it put an end to the movie franchise for years.
I am also very wary about Star Trek Discovery, I will give it a chance. But I fear the worst. Anyway, JJs movies breathed new life into the franchise, but Star Trek has always been best on TV, the movies were nice additions to the franchise but never essential.
Btw. even though reviews were bad, I quite liked the “Orville”, I guess this will be a better Star Trek show than Discovery 😀
In my opinion the only Trek movies true to the show were The Motion Picture and The Undiscovered Country and to some extent The Voyage Home. All other movies are James Bond type super villain movies which has nothing to do with Star Trek really. Khan was brilliant, the rest not so much.
The Orville has better effects than Discovery and they have like half the budget. Not to mention it resembles Trek even more.
I really like the Motion Picture. Most people don’t. I think it’s just like an episode of classic Trek.
One may not like all the Star Trek movies but at least each story was original unto itself. I personally like them all for what they bring to the overall story. Star Trek did not really need a reboot as the franchise is always putting out films and one would have expected this to continue with or without JJ. I will give him this, his movies LOOK good, but are such obvious copies lacking any attempt at doing something novel. “TFA is most successful movie in the USA ever,” that has got to also be the biggest misnomer in the USA ever. You say the people involved are not idiots, I want to agree with you on this but you saw TFA right? you don’t want mistakes repeated and yet here they are hiring JJ again. Mistake #1 was just repeated.
I was a Star Trek fan before I was a Star Wars fan 😀 I am still a Star Trek fan. And yes, even the bad Star Trek movies have some redeeming qualities and always tried to retain some of the spirit of the shows. Which is something that is mostly missing from the reboots. And I’m afraid it will also be absent in Discovery.
My hope is that JJ and the producers are not imbeciles who would remake ROTJ or make EP VIII and IX as similar to the OT as TFA was to ANH. I can get behind the reasoning for reimagining ANH into TFA, it’s lazy, it’s a cop out, but I can understand why one would choose to go that route. But all the other movies should be more original. We’ll know more in December. If Ep VIII follows ESB then the whole sequel trilogy will always be a silly joke.
i hope Discovery will be good. I am really looking forward to a new series. (where does it fit in the timeline?) I have enjoyed all the series thus far including Enterprise, which i was sad to see cancelled. I agree with you that TFA kinda needed to be what it was in order to get the new gen interested but that needs to be the end of similarities. It all hinges on this next film. What direction will it allow EP IX to take. I want to assume JJ is not an imbecile its just that he has shown to be more of a mimicker than creative.
Discovery is set 10 years before TOS. Which is the main source of most of its problems. Why do the Klingons look so different? Why does the show look more like the Abrams-verse movies than classic Trek even though the producers say it’s set in the original universe?
I’m afraid the show will fail 🙁
I know most reviews were bad, but I really liked “The Orville”. Maybe Seth MacFarlane’s show will be the Star Trek show we want. It is Star Trek in anything but name with some additional (crude) jokes – but if the show gets time to develop its own tone it might be quite a pleasant thing to watch every week. I’m looking forward to the next episode.
I find it unbelievable that he was even allowed to work on Trek and SW. I didn’t completely hate the first Trek and I thought Beyond was ok. Another take on the mad Starfleet captain, but entertaining enough. Into Darkness was outright plagiarism.
I knew you’d be happy
Yes. It’s easy to loose sight of that. And not just new Star Wars movies. These films are being given the biggest budget possible within reason with the people making them doing their best to make them good.
I’ve fine with a movie every year. There’s this old school thinking that if there was a Star Wars movie every 3 years, they’d somehow be better…more special, and the prequels disproved that. It’s better churn out a hit or miss film, than a long wait for something that could be just as disappointing as a yearly release. And I’m not getting any younger.
So now we get disposable Marvel crap instead, Such an improvement!
There were some nice touches in TFA – hopefully given the time available and feedback on the more negative aspects of Episode VII we’ll see a stronger, less rushed, story.
hopefully less carbon paper too.
Argh. Disappointing. I hope he can learn to wrap up a story in a satisfying manner.
Hopefully Lando will get some much needed inclusion and action in 9. I will forgive them if they do for bringing back JJ.
Yes, we need Lando to come back. Even if it’s just a cameo.
Makes sense, unlike Trevorrow he is at least has a proven record and shown he can work for Lucasfilm and not let his ego get in the way.
I strongly disagree on the ego part but he is a great choice for Disney as he is a “team player” and will remake what ever they ask. 🙂
I’m not saying he doesn’t have an ego, I’m just saying he is capable of keeping it in check and doing what Lucasfilm want, unlike Trevorrow and the ex-Han Solo directors.
JJ’s not great at answers or closure. Just saying.
that is his schtick. He claims it is an artistic choice to keep the viewer involved and guessing. It keeps us complaining and ruminating over it that is for sure.
Let’s be honest – the real downside of Abrams coming back is it’s going to screw with the TOYS again!
It seems JJ and his secrecy were a big part of why Hasbro couldn’t prepare well for TFA, which led to Zuvio and no Jedi Luke and no General Leia and Han Solo being held back for a third wave that became hard to find and a bunch of vehicles that were never in the movie, etc. etc. etc.
YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! Rumsleg for the win
Man, thats a good point. I hope not.
Eh, I think that was mostly due to it being the first movie. Now that we know which old characters are back and in what capacity, there won’t be as many secrets.
I’ve got to push back on this a little bit. Everybody in the world knew that Luke would be back. Why couldn’t Hasbro have been given a preview of his TFA outfit so they would have time to make a Luke Skywalker action figure?
I can understand where you are coming from on that, but I think they wanted to keep the mystery of what really became of him. There were a lot of rumors out there about what happened to him. Was he now horribly disfigured a la Vader? Was he evil? etc. The evil (or at least gray/conflicted) bit I think could still stand, but his outfit doesn’t show that just yet.
Oh crap. The dreaded JJ official secrets act. I hadn’t actually thought about that yet.
Good point! I wasn’t even thinking about that.
We still have TLJ to get through, so I’ll reserve my judgement until then.
At least Kasdan isn’t working on 9. I feel he is as much to blame for the rehashing in TFA as JJ.
I agree. I think Kasden can polish a script like no one else, but even he and JJ together could not come up with an original, logical, continuation of the saga. They literary just changes names…
This is a strange move from Kathy Kennedy. I’ve had the impression that Kennedy clashed with Abrams in similar ways to how she clashed with Edwards, Lord and Miller and Trevorrow (but to a lesser extent), but Abrams had more power to resist based on his stronger reputation. Kennedy won’t be able to tell him what to do on IX, and she won’t be able to get away with replacing him. She’s essentially ceding control of IX after being extremely hands-on with all the new movies so far.
No, Abrams was actually very cooperative. He’s a studio player.
I can’t cite any sources, but I have a general sense of having read that Abrams did things with which the studio didn’t agree. Maybe someone else can help with a cite.
The bigger point remains – KK had better hope that Abrams remains a studio player, because I don’t think she would get away with removing Abrams in the same way she removed Lord & Miller and Trevorrow, and he won’t be shoved aside like Edwards.
I’d bet money that the disagreements more came from JJ wanting to delay from May to December. They had such trouble getting someone to DO Episode 7, Abrams had initially passed, that he was the one with the leverage for that movie.
That may be what I’m thinking of. Thanks.
If you believe certain scuttlebutt around the internet (and read between the lines when it comes to certain statements from others), some people within Lucasfilms definitely didn’t like the way he handled the film. But again, when you got Kennedy backing him, you can’t say crap officially.
Hopefully with Chris Terrio the pair can create a satisfying conclusion. Beyond the mess that was Batman V Superman, Terrio is a solid writer. I hope Terrio has the time to craft a finale. I can talk about Terrio, I have nothing to say about Abrams…..
Isn’t Terrio the one who botched one of DC’s recent movies?
He was involved with the screenplay, but he also won an Oscar for his work on the film Argo.
Coming from someone who loves TFA; I am very concerned with this news, I love Abrams producing skills, but his writing and directing skills? Thats where I get cautious. Thankfully academy award winning screenwriter Chris Terrio will be co-writing, but I’m certainly not jumping for joy over Abrams taking over, I really don’t think he can deliver a satisfying ending to the ST.
Exactly. I have several issues with TFA, but I enjoyed it for the most part. He’s just not the person I would want to end the trilogy. Abrams is a talented producer and he’s a slick if somewhat unexceptional director but he’s not a great writer. That’s what has me the most concerned. Terrio doesn’t make me feel better since he was involved with Batman vs. Superman which is atrocious filmmaking on every level.
I don’t think the mess that was BvS was Terrio’s fault, that was more on Snyder. Terrio did the screenplay for Argo…And that movie is exceptionally good. (Hence why Terrio won an academy award.)
That’s true. Some writers have trouble shifting from films like Argo to blockbusters, even if they’re exceptionally smart/talented. I’m just concerned that could be the case with him.
That is a good point, Terrio will at least have guidance from the Lucasfilm story group who seem to know what they’re doing. It’s just Abrams who really concerns me.
Also, I don’t know if you’ve seen Star Trek Beyond but that movie is VERY good and the involvement that JJ had was Producing the film…he didn’t write or direct it and ironically it’s the best Trek film out of the latest 3. I wouldn’t mind if Abrams was producing IX because his production skills are quite good but I do not trust him to finish the Trilogy out.
Yeah, that’s what I was thinking of when I said he’s a good producer. You can also look at the TV shows he produced. Things like Lost, Person of Interst, Fringe, and Westwolrd are good or great. He produced them, but wasn’t really involved at all creatively and they are his best work.
Hopefully Abrams will learn form TFA and be a little more creative, I think Lawrence Kasdan had a little bit to do with the “rehashing” of ANH and he isn’t involved with IX. I think if Michael Arndt hadn’t left the TFA writing team we would’ve gotten a completely different episode VII.
…until they let Terrio go over ‘creative differences’ and find someone else to side with JJ’s mediocrity.
Rut roh, here comes another killer planet Death Star knock off
I wasn’t foolish enough to believe George would get the honors.
‘In JJ We Trust’ part 2?
Maybe we should just leave the Last Jedi napping, after all..
And it’s time to leave the comment section…It’s time https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cc82b636b0f8e2f5adb23100750396ad6bce211798ca76c0261fb172a7db7c0c.gif
This is why Hux is my favorite. Hope the new school year is starting off well for you.
Ha! Thanks. 🙂 New school year is going good, it’s funny that I’m probably on here more during the school year than in the summer…When I’m here during the school year it means I’m most likely procrastinating school work. 😉
Same here. My summer (and its bleeding into the fall) at work has been rough. But glad to hear things are good.
Now as the gif instructs, I am exiting the brothel
That’s the only reason i’m ever here.
Wow! A complinsult.
Are you still in school?
I’m so old
Lol, I wish I was still in school!
UPDATE: Live look into the JTA comment section… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6b31daac2d07fea58cf5f45ff8d54cd4cbc9da468df918234117fa2e7ef20347.gif
Lol. Weird, looks like the university at Berkeley.
There you go with your clever gifs again
There’s always a gif for every situation.
Gif peace a chance.
What do you think of this news? I know how much you like TFA, so good new for you then?As always, we’re only talking about movies and your opinion is always respected by me. 🙂 I feel like disclaimers like that are wise for thus thread. Hux, PLEASE go watch the original Trek II. You need to see what a plagiarist this guy really is. It’s probably on Netflix…..
I’m actually not that happy about this news, I wanted someone other Abrams to finish the ST.
Who hasn’t seen WOK?! Greatest scifi film outside the SW franchise!
That’s why I want Hux to see it. He’s watched Into Darkness, but not the original yet.
I saw the headline and thought to myself, “I hope Hux posted that Grandpa Simpson gif.” I knew I could count on you! Lol.
Mike! Dude, I asked Paul a couple of times if he’s heard from you. I forgot what part of Florida you’re in. Watching the news up here it look like the whole state got hit pretty bad. Are you ok? Family and friends ok? I was genuinely concerned about you. 🙂
I live in Tampa, which was affected by the storm but not as badly as feared, but left to help my parents prepare for the storm. Where they live was in the direct path of Irma, the eye of the storm went over the house. Thankfully, we’re all safe and so is the house. Some trees are down, we lost power early Sunday morning, and we’re surrounded by water. The house is on a slight hill, so we’re basically an island surrounded by knee deep water. The power just came back on. It could have been ALOT worse. I’ve contacted friends and family throughout the state and it seems like everyone is doing okay. We’re very thankful.
Glad to hear you’re all safe and well!
Well, just wanted you to know I was thinking of you while watching Irma play out on the news. I’m glad you and your family are ok. I know we’ve never actually met, but I’ve known you on here long enough to consider you a friend. I hope that doesn’t sound too stupid. 🙂
Good to hear Mike.
Ya’ll were truly watched over.
Haha! Of course I would post it! 🙂
Abrams makes watchable movies. I was happy to have a watchable Star Wars film released for the first time in my life even if it wasn’t very good. His main problem is that he cannot write a story.
Writing an original story is Abrams’ greatest weakness.
LOL. The last time I watched it was when it flew out my window.
I’m excited about this, overall. Abrams has shortcomings and he’s been pretty open with them in interviews (particularly, identifying with characters during action sequences, knowing their internal thoughts, etc). However, I was impressed by what he pulled off with TFA in that it “felt” like Star Wars. Tone is really hard to get right — particularly after such a long time and without early-80s George Lucas. To me, the tone felt remarkably close and many of the short comings I blame on rushing it to production. Yes, there were similarities, but I am fine with them as a starting point (The Art of Force Awakens book actually shows how different things were to start and I’d argue that it doesn’t feel right until they start riffing off old motifs. Many of the early designs and concepts were bad and we take for granted the grounded, practical/digital mix that we ended up with). I could have done without the Starkiller Base and think there are some act II issues, but I also love the film and it was the first time I had that fun sense of adventure in a movie since childhood. While the visual structure pulls from IV, the character arcs are completely new and Ep VII’s reputation will live or die by how they are paid off in VIII and IX. Are Kylo and Rey siblings? Did Han lose a daughter (watch his reaction when he gives Rey the pistol) and if so, was it Rey? Why does Leia wear a ring with two matching stones? Did Rey get mistakenly traded to Unkar with the falcon or was the falcon stolen while Rey was hiding on it? Will Snoke pay off? Does Kylo know who Rey is? Was the map on Jakku intended for Rey at a certain time or no? Did Leia intentionally send Han to his death (let’s hope not, I’d hate that…)? Many of these will be dead ends, but I think interesting seeds were buried and we’ll have to see what comes to fruition. I’m more worried about the script itself than I would be about Abrams.
Agreed the script is going to determine if this film is good or bad.
Chris Terrio is a great addition
I’m actually worried about him based on BvsS and the reports on JL. But Argo was really good
He was one of MANY writers who made updates to an existing script, so I don’t think it’s fair to hold BVS against him- with that being said I still liked BVS way more than most
Of the names circulating I would’ve preferred Johnson but JJ is still better than Trevorrow. Hopefully he at least brings in Johnson to work on the overall plot.
No. This is so awful. I’m completely done with this trilogy. To hell with Disney.
I can’t believe this. I feel so screwed over.
Yay for more of the same old same old
We have already had ‘Force-Awakens-A-New-Hope’ so here comes ‘Return-Of-The-Jedi-Redux’ …
I can’t even describe how angry I am.
Disney, pay my chemoteraphy!
Well I was having a good day until seeing this. At least Rogue 1 makes up for the steaming pile of garbage that was Ep.7.
Uh-oh. You’re going to be be labeled/described as (not that there’s anything wrong with any of these things for the most part): a Trump supporter, grandstanding, gatekeeping, possessing the inability to understand the new direction of Star Wars, a hater, not having the ability to discuss, a hater (did I mention that yet)?
The next time I care what someone else thinks of me will be the first, so I have no problem stating my unequivocal hate for Ep.7. It was bad, and Abrams should be ashamed.
What if what someone else thinks of you was the difference between you keeping your job and getting fired? Would you care what that person thought of you then????
What if it was a doctor and what they though of you meant the difference between life and death? Would you care then?
For the first one, no, and I have been in that situation my entire career. That’s no way to excel.
The second is a medical assessment that I am paying to receive, not a personal judgement.
On the second one I meant the doctors personal prejudice – not their professional judgment. Like in a disaster situation and they can only help so many people in so much time.
While I have some eyes here, I ask all to consider jumping on the bandwagon for a new, larger desert skiff. Enough people clamoring for it could make it happen.
What about a sail barge? Of course it would need to cost $300.
I would be all over a sail barge, but I think the chances for Hasbro to make one are nigh improbable. I think a new, larger skiff has a serious chance.
I’d wager $500.
Agreed – especially if it’s going to be in the same class as the BMF and big AT-AT.
…Wow. Your post there? Really something, man.
As Paul Harrison said —
LOL. Trust me man, I’m the last one you need to be saying that. I just found it amusing that someone says that they don’t care what someone else thinks about them and then someone else busts out with 20 serious questions that has nothing to do with this topic. Now this is a flawed way of communicating so either you were being serious or you were just joking around with him. Either way, I’m good!
Huh? What the hell college did you go to?
I understand the new direction if SW. Just like I understand where my poop goes when I flush. Doesn’t mean I have to like it and want to go there.:-)
That really sums up TFA succinctly.
“With The Force Awakens, J.J. delivered everything we could have possibly hoped for, and I am so excited that he is coming back to close out this trilogy,” said Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy.
Ep.IX Keeping up with the Skywalkers: starring Truce Trenner as Reys long lost mom.
I’m sure J.J. Will have a better solution then Trevorrow as to how to bring Poe Dameron back from being frozen in carbonite at the end of TLJ. Maybe we’ll get loveable squid creatures instead of ewoks. Jokes aside, not knowing where TLJ is gonna leave off, it’s hard to guage how Jedi episode 9 can be. Hopefully there’s no Starkiller base 2.0! On a positive note, maybe Zuvio will get his 5 minutes finally since he’s still gonna be clogging half the legs in 2019!
Zuvio is Snoke!
I’m hoping by the time The Last Jedi ends we’re so far away from where The Empire Strikes Back ends that no one is seeing a Return of the Jedi 2.0.
Episode IX SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Movie will end with Starkiller Base 2 being destroyed after Poe Dameron destroys the shield generator. Kylo Ren will throw Snoke into the power generator as he strikes Rey (who will probably now turn out to be his sister) with force lightning. Ach-to celebration with the Porg, fade to credits.
Well lets hope that JJ Abrams learned from his mistakes with The Force Awakens and heard the fan criticism for Ep. 7 and actually take chances in 9. Despite its faults I still liked TFA, because it felt like classic Star Wars.
Star Wars IX: Return of the Porgs
Star Wars IX: Revenge of the Porgs
It will be changed to “Return” since porgs don’t seek “Revenge”.
Return -> Revenge -> Return
Regardless, we get to see Porgs take down the First Order.
I was hoping for John Waters, but…whatever.
Worst possible choice… Nothing else to say that is not punishable by law 🙂
Oh my any body but him ! he got a pass for the first one as everybody got hyped for the big 3 on screen again please dont give him full control again ! mystery box no thanks just prove your not a one trick pony sir
Well this would not have been my first choice; however I want to remain positive and say “we’ll see what happens”. I do not have what I would call an “educated opinion” on Abrams since I’ve only seen 3 of his movies and none of his TV shows. I don’t think he is a terrible director per se, I just think he does not need to primary scriptwriter or have the final word on the script.
He had no official involvement with the script of any of the rebooted Star Trek movies, especially movie 1 and 2. The only movies in recent years that he officially (co-)wrote are TFA and Super 8. Both were loving homages to earlier works, true. So let’s hope he no longer has to pay homage and can be somewhat more innovative for Ep IX.
Well…. let’s put it this way: there are a some positive things about it. JJ is a competent director and producer, he can handle big projects, we will likely not get any more drama surrounding the production of Ep IX. JJ is a Star Wars fan, he’s familiar with the franchise, he’s part of the Star Wars family, if you like it or not.
The bad things is, that JJ is not always as innovative or creative as he’d like to be, he mostly reshuffled and regurgitated past movies for his movie projects. But JJ helped develop some of TVs most beloved, or at least most discussed genre TV franchises, Alias, Lost (he was only involved in the beginning though) and Fringe.
JJ should abandon his mystery box approach for Ep IX: that is: introducing some mystery without even knowing what the solution is. Ep IX should deliver, Ep IX must be a satisfying conclusion, we don’t need unanswered plot points.
I think Ep IX will be a solid movie, it will probably not break entirely new ground – but a lot will depend on what happens in TLJ.
I think we, the fans, should not be too cynical now. Yes, TFA was a remixed ANH. But the movie had (mostly) great performances, it had (mostly) likeable characters and think of TFA what you will, it put Star Wars back in the spotlight and made it an entertainment juggernaut.
After all the production drama surrounding Rogue One, Han Solo and EP IX I suppose it was a logical choice for Lucasfilm to ask JJ to take over again. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Also, any movie is just as good as its script. If the script is good JJ Abrams can make an excellent movie.
Rogue One beat Episode 7 to a pulp.
There is nothing positive about this! JJ. sucks. Let’s get the guy who remade Star Trek(lame) too also do Star Wars. WTF?! TFA made me like the prequels a whole lot more, why cause TFA sucked. I hope they decided to find someone else. This guy is not Spielberg, please get off he’s nuts Disney, jeez.
I liked Colin Trevorrow, based on the Jurassic World movie. I liked that this movie franchise, which to me was dead in the water after Jurassic Park 3. I had no interest in the series, but JW turned it around for me.
I like JJ Abrams. I think he will do a fine job wrapping up this trilogy. I like the movies he’s directed, including TFA. Given the parameters he was probably had making TFA: introduce new characters, remind people of the existing characters, give them a purpose to work and grow together and provide minimal loose ends for the next movie. Done. It left a fairly empty canvas for the next director, or better yet, think of it as a comic book. The book was given a treatment, but nothing that would tie the writer’s or artist’s hands up.
Bottom line: Star Wars ceased being a artistic endeavor a long time ago. It’s now an investment. It became an investment when the original movies were “specialized” and grew into what it is now. This model can be applied to the toys, too. They were just play things back in the day. Now people see them as an investment. That’s why there are so many concerns about cost overruns, overstock, limited articulation. Investors don’t care about points of articulation. They want to know why it costs 10 cents to make a figure as opposed to 25 cents.
Investors don’t care who’s directing. They care that the movie comes in under budget and they can reap the rewards of big ticket sales. So for people who wanted a bigger name directing the final chapter of this trilogy, I think the investment side is more prone to win out over artistic flair.
The point of TFA was to reset Star Wars and move away from the prequels and was more of a entrenchment of stuff we’d seen before in pretty much the same way.
Now episode 9 is gonna be Brokeback Space Mountain, with more terrible Finn n Poe dialogue.
Opening crawl episode IX confirmed:
Rey Skywalker/Solo (tick applicable) has returned to
her home planet of Jakku in
an attempt to rescue her
friend Finn from the
clutches of the vile gangster
Little does Rey know that the
FIRST ORDER has secretly
begun construction on a new
armored space station even
more powerful than the first
dreaded Starkiller Base
When completed, this ultimate
weapon will spell certain doom
for the small band of resistance fighters
struggling to restore freedom
to the galaxy….
THIS…. IS…. BRILLIANT.
It is funny, clever, witty. Imagine if you would have posted that you’d be accused of being self-loathing, trying to destroy your own website, you hate puppies and Star Wars, you planted code words or buzz words in the crawl.
And a Trump supporter.
Careful… the list could go on.
Look Paul I think you need to fess up… You’re a Nazi, aren’t you?
I am sure some would label me as such, despite my utter sickening disgust for them.
With the way that word has been thrown around lately, it’s nearly lost all meaning.
The N word.
Ever been in a situation where you wanted to make a sarcastic/dark humor reply and then you had the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme song pop up in your head? Just had that happen.
I believe the term is close to something like this.
When History is forgotten it will at some point be repeated.
Sadly true. The modern day term just encompasses bed wetting living with Mommy bigots. Not at all like the slime of humanity we know that word to represent.
Yes. But it is also used against someone who has a different opinion. Example: I don’t agree when a football player wears socks depicting police officers as pigs. Therefore, I am a nazi.
Oh I wouldn’t worry about the opinion of some moron who doesn’t agree with you. Does it matter what anyone thinks? No.
Try this one on: I’m from Tennessee.
Too soon? NAAW. Too true? PROBABLY.
Soup Nazi thinks so.
I think KK is a closet Nazi! How many POC directors and writers has she hired in her tenure? Smells fishy to me.
Trump did nothing wrong! Praise kek!
As I was reading this, I briefly thought you wrote “your hate puppies” in reference to Paul’s haters. I suggest you trademark that phrase. I think it has legs.
I’M TAKING IT!
Ha ha ha, that is a good t-shirt idea.
What are YOU doing here???
I CAN DO OTHER THINGS!
Keep it at 1.57 please.
I <3 this so much.
One would think You’ve read this somewhere before.
don’t forget the tribal bears that live on the planet the new star killer is built into. They look like Ewoks but not cuz JJ said so.
… Wait a minute, when was Starkiller base armoured? Carpeted in forests and snow maybe.
Oh! ? I see what you did there.
That is immensely clever. Bravo.
But it’s a stab at the Sequel Trilogy. Aren’t your going to fall to pieces and call someone a Trump supporter? 🙂
Lol. I had to type that out.
But you are a Trump supporter, Blanche, you are!!!
I respect who is President. I didn’t like Obama but I respected him. The converse isn’t true today.
Wow. I’m astonished. Are you going to vote for him again?
I didn’t vote for him. I ALSO didn’t vote for the Beast. But I respect the fact he is President.
I like you for saying that.
Me? Heck no.
Enjoy the lawsuit being filed against you by Di$ney for stealing their material.
And that Starkiller base 2 is protected by an energy shield from the forest moon of a planet that looks like Endor, but it’s NOT Endor. Inhabited by some teddy bears creatures that look like ewoks but are not ewoks. Why did they push the release date back, this movie writes itself.
Don’t kill off Luke or Chewbacca JJ. Don’t. Even. Think. About. Doing. It.
This is literally irrelevant to me. I am not going to like something because they have a bunch of new fans giving it high scores for its inclusion quota being met.
Oh, dear Paul…The reason TFA is well-received has LITERALLY nothing to do with “new fans” giving it high scores for its “inclusion quota.” Whether you’re joking or not, that is an extremely cynical and bitter perspective. Despite it being a series of regurgitated plot points, TFA has a higher percentage of long-time fans who enjoyed it a lot more than the Prequels (more than you would think by simply reading the echo chamber on this site). I believe it’s well received because it copies a solid story structure with OT familiarity, both thematically and for nostalgia. It’s not ONLY because it includes a strong female (uh, Leia, anyone?) or a black man (remember Lando?), which I think you’re hinting at by “inclusion quota.” It has little, if anything, to do with some PC-Millenial-SJW BS whatsoever. I think it was more because of it’s attempt to wipe clean the bad taste of the clunky and cringeworthy Prequels while trying to return to elements that made the OT so great. Not to mention most critics and reviewers, who are far from “new fans,” rated it almost unanimously quite high as well. So, your reason for discounting said scores is literally irrelevant.
I was being sarcastic. I am thrilled everyone loved it. I do not, and neither do my friends. We’re right, you’re wrong, LOL. (More sarcasm.)
There are just as many counter arguments showing/proving why it’s a waste of film.
Volume is no indicator of quality. Do you have any good ones to suggest? Ones that perhaps have muscle to refute the above read of the details.
I note that arguing *what* the film is doing is different than arguing *why* that gesture is good. It seems to me, though, that most of the counterarguments you’re referring to disregard or dismiss the *what* argument with a handwave–and then proceed to level charges of being unoriginal, a tired clone, etc.–charges that, unlike whether something is ‘good,’ can be refuted objectively, with evidence.
I never said half the things you’re seemingly accusing me of thinking/believing. So when you’re ready to stop claiming to know the status of my mind, let me know. Then I can interact.
I don’t think I referred to anything you’ve said, except the thing you actually just said. The only thing I can reckon that you’re on about is that you identify your TFA attacks as among ‘most of the counterarguments you’re referring to,’ and further that you’re denying that you’ve claimed the film is unoriginal or a tired clone.
I was just hoping to get a recommendation from you out of the ‘just as many counter arguments’–and I offered one argument, so just one counter would do it–that show/prove why it’s a waste of film. As for the status of your mind, we have plenty of disses and rants to pin that down.
You’re exactly what’s wrong with this world. I don’t know you and wouldn’t even venture a guess to claim to know what you think or what’s in your brain, yet you think you have me pegged in a box. Sad! Let me make it easy for you. This JTA stage is my shtick and I know what to do to get reads and clicks and continue to make us big. So, thank you for supporting us. Honestly, unhinging people like you is just the gravy that is created from that.
One day you’ll grow up from your coddled college rearing and discover that people different from you exist and that all opinions are equally valid. You don’t need logic and reason (that becomes illogical and unreasonable after about two seconds) to have an opinion.
Now, go away before someone drops a house on you too!
The only box I bother to put you in is the one fashioned of absolute reams of your commentary. I think you think only what you keep saying you think. That’s how speech works. I don’t presume what the hell motivates it, or your attitude. If you’d back up any of your derision, hostility, or catty viciousness, Paul–or even better, drop your rude act long enough to have a conversation with people who aren’t wowed by your shtick and would like to know why you’re so colossally full of unwarranted self-regard–we could test whether there’s anything under your hood. But no; you invent insults people haven’t levied to huff about, you attack the intelligence of people who question some of your methods, and then you high-five yourself for ‘unhinging’ us. We’re not unhinged. We don’t think your opinions are invalid. You’re just a dick and a coward, cackling with your fingers in your ears as you declare no one’s said anything ‘logical or reasonable.’ It’s frustrating because you run a good toy site, you have strong opinions we’d like to know the underpinnings of, and you succeed in driving traffic here–but you refuse most any attempt to engage unless we slobber on you and/or kick the same easy targets. You absolutely excoriate things and people you don’t like, and make baseless character attacks at the absolute most contemptuous level, but can’t handle any pushback when people start to follow your lead and respond in like tone but without the same stance. You fire off roaring political statements, but ignore the politics inherent in the IP you profess to love and lambaste others for ‘politicizing’ your hobby. So add ‘wimp’ and ‘hypocrite’ to the list.
I would love to see you attempt in person the presumption about people’s backgrounds, educations or human worth that you indulge in on this site. Perhaps one day you’ll get a chance to show me how courageous you are. Adios, chump.
You’re an idiot.
You’re history! Buh-bye!
Keep thinking what you want to think of me. You know me more than I do. What a pitiful leftist. It is gratifying that I unhinge you the way I do. You’re obsessed with me. If I didn’t like someone I certainly wouldn’t visit his site. Now, go away troll. I don’t need you or your worthless opinions here. JTA is successful as it is. I don’t need a drop of advice from a liberal leftist.
Let me tell you this snowflake. You would piss your pants if we met in person.
Paul, you need to ease up and stop attacking. Justin isn’t personally attacking you at all. He asked a very neutral and objective question: “Do you have any good [counter arguments] to suggest?” And then, he brought up some ideas of counterarguments that he knew of, and NEVER said you think or believe them.
As a reply, you didn’t suggest ANY counter arguments, you just accused him of knowing “the status of your mind.” That’s…..not what he even suggested, even with a literal reading of his message. What exactly do you think he”s “accusing you of thinking/believing?”
Your last message overreacts, turns into revolting name-calling and venomous hostility, and doesn’t even address the original question:
“You’re exactly what’s wrong with this world.”
“Honestly, unhinging people like you is just the gravy that is created from that.” (Unhinging? What do you mean by that?)
“One day you’ll grow up from your coddled college rearing”
WOW. For the owner/runner of this site, I expected more from you. Unnecessarily name-calling, belittling, and avoiding the question? Just as an adult, that’s low and irresponsible. He never claimed to know you or “the status of your mind.” Why all the maliciousness? You could have just ignored him if you wanted to…And what’s the point of bringing up “This JTA stage is my schtick?” Uh, what are you trying to prove?
From the replies, it just looks like you unnecessarily attacked him because you didn’t have a good counter argument ready. You couldn’t answer his question, so you went on the defense. SAD! You never even addressed his question! Just went from 0 to 60 on accusing him of accusing you. How about you answer his question?
And by the way, knowing your opinions on TFA is not some mind-reading trick. No one has to know you personally to know your thoughts on this topic. You’ve written your opinions of the movie on JTA extensively ever since it came out and continue to do so every chance you get. Knowing your opinion on TFA is not claiming to know you, your mind, or any other aspect of you. If you’re being honest, it’s pretty easy to look up what you think of the movie…
And the assertion that “all opinions are equally valid” is a massively ignorant statement. No, not all opinions are equally valid, or created equal. The best ones DO have logic, reasoning, facts, evidence, and weight behind them. Weak opinions may use cherry-picking ideas, false beliefs, lies, and thinly veiled agendas to try to support them.
Now, can you give me an example of where this logic and reason “becomes illogical and unreasonable in about two seconds?” I agree you do not need logic or reason to have an opinion. But you do need them to have a strong, effective, and worthwhile opinion.
This is the guy who gave a nobody stormtrooper the spotlight instead of having the sense to put Phasma in that scene. And wasted the opportunity to reunite Luke, Leia, and Han. Please not JJ. can we just get George to come back to finish this.
Honestly all I can say is lolololol. I don’t even care, I really don’t. TFA sucked something awful and put a horrible taste in my mouth for this trilogy and this was just another nail in the coffin. This trilogy is an absolute JOKE and JJ #1 on the list of people to blame. Unoriginal, rehashed trash.
I don’t care about this trilogy at all. It’s not even legitimate in my eyes. This will go down as an even more universally hated laughing stock than the prequel trilogy (which I actually love, though I acknowledge I am in the minority).
For some reason one of my posts have been needing approval for an hour now. All I wanted to do was post a Drax laughing gif and now it’s hanging in the abyss.
Wow… what an inspired choice.
More Rathtar hijinks please.
Oh, I’ll post something absolutely serious for a moment… if we don’t get more of the Knights of Ren out of this, I’m going to be disappointed. You know, besides the other disappointments I have. That long list. Why is it getting longer.
I look at it this way- it took 20 years to get more about the Sith. So Knights of Red could be a while and I am okay with that. Disney is in this for the long haul. There are hundreds of more Star Wars movies to be made and I don’t need everything vomited up in three movies.
This is OUTRAGEOUS.
The outrage is.
Where the new Last Jedi trailer though?
I’m guessing maybe November. They’re really keeping a lid of this stuff.
But it’s like Empire, no lid is needed.
When I heard this news I just thought of all those poor JJ haters and I just thought. “Aah, Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, Whoo’ wipes away tears. ?????????????????????
Are you a fan? I do dislike his work. But as always I respect your opinion. Hooe my dislike of Abrams doesn’t matter to you.
I’ve not thought about it. He seems a nice enough chap. I’d rather sit through one of his films than Transformers 8: Kickstarting a broke down Camerra by Michael Bay.
In other news, the Vintage Collection will return Spring 2018!
Im tired of hearing he brought Star Wars back to life. IF Star Wars was dead then why was JTA, Yakface, Rebelscum etc still running popular fan sites for a dead franchise all these years? If it was dead why would Disney spend BILLIONS on acquiring it.
Exactly. Thank you. Not to mention that TCW was at its height when Disney bought Lucasfilm. GL CHOSE not to make another trilogy for reasons we may never know. But it was a choice on his part, not lack of interest. This hobby was at its height as well during the years after the PT.
Before TFA, Star Wars was a subculture, albeit huge. It’s now become so mainstream that there are outcries for Rey instead of the next Cantina alien (which is all that mattered prior to TFA), LOL.
Exactly. We were a minority. A fairly sizable one, but still. Now everyone that watches The Big Bang Theory now thinks geek culture is cool. SW is an obligatory part of said culture.
yep I said it recently but I am tired of being talked down too and having Star Wars explained to me by people who were not even born yet when I first read The Thrawn Trilogy or Dark Empire.
Just shows our age. These new zealous fans think they’re experts because they have a YouTube video review channel.
yea me too. it’s really getting old.
So, are you implying only OLDER fans are REAL fans?
BTW, yes, I read The Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire the year they came out.
no I am tired of these folks speaking to me like I am stupid and know nothing about Star Wars.
I have been thinking of this effect. The best in my opinion is when a subject has enough attention but not too much.Too little attention to something and it will never have the founds/money to make decent films, series, novels, etc. Too much attention, I mean massive attention, and then it is changed from its basics to please everybody. I think this is happening too to Game of Thrones for example.
I miss its subculture cool.
I don’t think it was a subculture during it’s original release at all, Paul. We had Meco doing disco versions of Star Wars music, a holiday special on CBS, frequent appearances on the Muppet Show and SNL, cereal, toys, PSAs, bits on various comedy shows about SW including Richard Pryor’s awful tv show. Star Wars was pretty damn mainstream from 1977-1983. It became a sort of underground following or less popular from sub-culture 1984-1998 during the West End RPG days, Zahn novels and DH comics, Star Tours at the Disney parks, various video games and POTF2 early days leading up to the Special Editions.
So it’s basically come full circle back to being mainstream again like it was from 1977-1983.
Well, certainly not at its inception. It was a huge hit from the start. I really meant the modern collecting side of things which began 1995. The best stuff came prior to TFA.
In my opinion Star Wars was in hibernation. Yes, there was TCW on TV, and Star Wars always maintained a certain level of loyal fans and it’s part of pop culture. But Star Wars is first and foremost a movie franchise. And the movie franchise needed a new beginning. Disney bought Lucasfilm because they knew how much potential the franchise has. It can be a money making machine. It is.
I dont think he particularly brought it back to life either. He certainly injected “new” life into it, but I credit Lucas’s deal with Disney with actually ensuring that Star Wars would not die or fade away.
You know what’s funny? There were MORE fan sites prior to TFA then there are now. (There are a ton of “Star Wars News” sites here, but strictly collecting fan sites? They’ve dropped like flies.)
I’d say that has more to do with Hasbro’s mis-handling of the line and the whole Phantom Menace 3D debacle more than anything else.
And disinterest in the new films by longtime collectors (who weren’t expecting a rehash of Episode IV).
Not arguing that point. But I think a lot of collectors had walked away long before the TFA came out. Many walked away during 2012 and 2013 when Hasbro and Lucas clogged pegs with the PM3D stuff and then Hasbro proceeded to drop the VC and start churning out 5POA stuff instead. That was the catalyst for a lot of collectors leaving and in-turn, many sites disappearing and closing down.
Awesome. Another starkiller base and ewoks, and Jabba the Hutts kid. Sweet.
Comment section trigger warning: Here you will find pro Trump sentiments and TFA bashing! reeeeeeeeeeee!
But what if someone is pro-Trump? What does that harm? Who does that hurt? How is that bad? Just curious. Please explain. Interested in learning about American culture.
It’s not inherently bad. Just because I mentioned pro Trump sentiments doesn’t mean I don’t like Trump, I do. I was just mocking SJW culture.
I wasn’t sure where you were going, LOL! 🙂
So are you saying if you are critical of TFA then you support Trump?
No, I just summarized the comment section for SJWs.
Is there a large segment of single jewish women on here?
I was like “Wait!” until I got your joke!
Thank you for being another normal female Star Wars fan. I really find it unfortunate to qualify with female as I believe it divides you from me(and I see us as equal fans), but the hobby has just been taken over by this shallow differences obsession and it’s very disturbing to me.
True. It seems this is happening to all “geek” fandoms. What gives?
I wish I knew. 🙁
While it’s totally anecdotal, it has been a trend. I don’t think there is necessarily a link however.
STAR WARS EPISODE IX now to be released Dec. 20 2019
To think that we’ve been so spoiled, it now feels like a torment to have to wait an entire 18 months for new SW material. What a glorious age we live in.
Lol. I’m more gutted as it’s a week after WW II and the same week I believe as Avatar II – Which will piss Fox off. After the ‘agreement’ they came to with Disney.
Oh, sweet! I can catch IX, nap over in Avatar II, and be fresh for a second IX screening without ever leaving the theatre.
I believe other studios might change their release dates… I think it would be a wise idea to stay clear of Ep IX if you want to have the most financial success. No one is really excited about Avatar. And Wonder Woman did well, but it would always lose against Star Wars. Provided Ep VIII doesn’t disappoint and is a huge success.
You never know. I think Disney reneging on the deal with Fox when they’re trying to get Fox to open up on the Mutant front won’t sit well. Despite what we may feel about this it will put fans noses out of jointsbd wil just create apathy in cinema goers.
If Ep VIII makes less money than Dunkirk, Logan or War For The Planet Of The Apes it will be considered a massive flop. I really hope it won’t flop.
If it makes as much money as Wonder Woman it will still be a disappointment for Disney.
Anything less than 1.5 billion dollars worldwide would be a surprise to me, unless word of mouth is bad. It will most likely not surpass TFA, but it should leave all the other movies of 2017 behind it and do better than Rogue One.
I may live in a bubble (I sure do :-D) but whenever I read about the Avatar sequels I only read comments that say they are not excited. We’ll have to to wait a bit more until we find out what Cameron pulls out of his hat this time. But 11 years between installments is a very long time for any franchise.
Yes it’s just greed. Crazy greed.
Avatar 2 is in 2020, not 2019.
It’s 2018 I think… mind you it’s had it’s date changed so many times. I’ve almost given up on ever seeing it. First there was 2 sequels, then 3, now they’re making 4 Avatar films. A trilogy bookended by two standalone movies.
surprises no one 😀
Maybe that was JJ’s first demand: I need more time! Whoever asked for the new release date: it’s a good thing. No need to rush things. Get Ep IX absolutely right. Ep IX fails, the whole trilogy fails (on a creative level).
That is perfectly fine with me; I’d rather they take their time and get it right.
Well, I hope I won’t be stoned to death for saying this, but technically speaking only, TFA wasn’t so bad… I said TECHNICALLY ONLY, wait for the end! I mean the directing in itself was pretty powerful and well wrapped, so I guess bringing JJ back to direct Ep9 is a good news… BUT, JJ writing it, NO NO NO NO NO please! TFA’s greatest flaws were its writing, poor characters and this newish universe which definitely isn’t much interesting… After what he has done to Star Trek and Star Wars, they should never let him write a SW movie again… just direct it like in the old times, like ESB and ROTJ, when directors were only directors, with separate writers… Well at least this trilogy will be full circle, for better or (in this case) for worse…
After reading all of the comments which was very entertaining I want to say a couple of things.
1. Someone else hating on a movie you like is not a personal attack. I say this as a BVS mega fan. Now I admit I don’t visit comicbook sites that hate on it because they all have this in common: they will start their article with a one sentence negative review of a DC movie when writing about any DC related news or they turn political. (I’m just there for the news.)
This being said I think people who like TFA should still come this site even though Paul might occasionally say something negative about TFA in the comment section, or maybe he says something political you don’t like. Why? Because he gives you helpful info on how to get those toys we all want. Now in my case Those comicbook related sites don’t give any intel on toys and are quickly turning into fake news political op-eds. I can just get my news from BVS fans. Here it’s different So even if I was a Hillary supporting TFA mega fan I would still come here, so please leave Paul alone.
2. Even though I am an African American female I do believe Star wars was made for young boys. I like Star wars because I’m a ”Tom Boy” I don’t know or know of any girly girl passionate star wars fans (people who have watched all star wars media even the Holiday Special.)
However I have found that tom boys are girls who typically like star wars I have found the average girl does not. Now we have Disney trying to make these Forces Of Destiny episodes trying to pander to Girls which ruins it for the majority of the fan base. Same with the race stuff the majority of the Star wars fan base is either white or Asian males. so why do we have a latino and a black lead in the TFA when that’s doesn’t represent the star wars fan demographic? Who cares if ”Star wars is too white” I still find the movies perfectly enjoyable it’s only when Disney shoe horns these PC characters into Rogue One and TFA that it becomes a problem. Why? because these characters are irrelevant. Disney needs to figure out good SW characters are cool because of their quality, not because of their skin color or gender. I don’t care that Darth Vader is a white male I just think he’s cool.
Well I know a few ‘girlie’ or feminine ladies that like Star Wars and some who like it more than Trek… although only one who likes it more than Doctor Who or The X-Files – and no one likes it more than Babylon 5.
Great to see a BvS fan, can’t wait for Justice League.
Where does Battlestar Galactica rank?
Pretty high… especially that old dog Giaus Baltar.
I never got the hate for BvS. I felt thoroughly entertained. Could it have been better? Sure! But almost any movie could be improved upon somehow. It’s somehow “cool” to hate on things. Don’t let yourself be bothered by it.
Good point on the tomboys. It’s cool to take anything away from “white male dominance” that you can. You can turn Ghostbusters or Lord of the Flies into all-female. But I haven’t seen anyone propose remaking The Joy Luck Club with all men. And every single Alien sequel continues to have a female lead. The race and gender-switching almost never happens towards whites and males. And whenever it does, like with the Hellboy reboot, an army of SJWs complains and is lauded as heroes. But if white males complain when a white male character is changed to something else, we’re told we’re knuckle-dragging racists. And then they wonder why white men are angry and getting angrier.
I figured they would go with somebody they knew they could depend on.
THE RETURN OF ZUVIO
Zuvio=played out in 2015.
…aaand its opening has been pushed back to December 20, 2019. No Star Wars in May.
BREAKING NEWS it’s gonna suck
ive literally been in a bad mood all day since i saw this pop up on my instagram.
What a bummer.
Come on now! No Hollywood nonsense should affect your mental state. They’re all crazies out there anyway.
haha hey thanks man! yea im not gonna let the crazies get to me. i had a coors light and mowed my lawn when i got home from work i was a.o.k. haahah. i find yardwork highly therapeutic
It makes sense that they would pick him again, but I really wish they wouldn’t. I would prefer each movie be directed by a different director, and it’s going to feel weird having Abrams start and end the trilogy while Johnson handles the middle.
Kathleen Kennedy can’t get along with anyone else. JJ just does whatever she wants. Perfect choice for her.
He’s a bootlicking sycophant.
I have been called the same thing in other forums.
That’s actually a pretty interesting thought.
That moment when you wished you could rearrange JJ and KK into JK, JK…
My whole day is ruined now upon reading this news.
Come on now. It’s fun to make fun of JJ Abrams’ ability to make a good Star Wars film, but none of us have seen it yet. There’s a chance it might be good, right?
I’ve had time to think about it….and no
Good to know that Abrams is taking over. Now I know E9 will suck as bad as E7. No more surprises.
I can’t say that I don’t have my own reservations. Hopefully he will prove us wrong.
After reading how Stephen King has yay or nay approval on any change made from the books in his movie adaptations, I wish Lucas had retained that for himself in the Star Wars deal. TFA would have been vetoed from front to back, LOL.
And the Camels back is broken…
Heinous decision, why am I NOT surprised? Kathleen Kennedy just wants a yes men and women surrounding her. She promptly chucked George’s story treatments to the curb (remember that guy, you know, the one that GAVE her the job!?) and pridefully bulled her way into the Star Wars universe choosing the worst cast of directors for each job, minus Rian Johnson (though it remains to be seen if he delivers, but I have high hopes in him) and approved some terrible choices in cast (see John Boyega), and approved of SW a mile-a-miute, frenetically-paced comedy hour with little integrity to a honest storyline. Literally ANYONE could have had JJ’s job and it would have made a billion. It was Star Wars 7. Who is NOT going to come out for that? That is the exact problem, there was no real effort to get a REAL director and artist, like Chris Nolan or even Neill Blomkamp. JJ will $*** the bed once again, and flush the toilet….on what he started.
Gotta go back to her original logic too. Well, he directed Star Trek, so obviously he’s a good choice for Star Wars. Just shows how this woman never understood anything about the franchise.
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I honestly never understand any of your live action memes….. ever.
Paul, this is pretty much as simple as a GIF response can get. A fearful bradley cooper is mentioning that JJ is coming back? Dude who he told that to (ari gold) throws his phone in disgust? NOTHING???
If we ever had our own comedy show it’d be gold!
Yayyy Star Trek Ep V!
This is not the director you’re looking for.
Thank you all for your comments and concerns, specially Paul’s comments toward the choice of director for this film. Lucas film is well aware of your sentiments towards Mr. Abrams and I’m sure they will make adjustments and more changes moving forward….. Kathleen Kennedy thanks you for your professional input in film making. /sarcasm
I haven’t made any really. I just don’t want The Force Awakens III for The Return Of The Jedi remake.
Awesome at least now I know I’ll most likely enjoy the film
I’ve never been a big fan of Abrams, but I did enjoy MI3 and TFA enough to say I like those movies. I am disappointed Disney did not pick someone new, though. And I would have rather had Rian Johnson come back over JJ. Still, I am more optimistic about Epis. IX now than when the guy who helmed JW was on-board. JW was more overrated than TFA was.
Btw, I love Disney (just got back from a long trip from WDW) but not necessarily all of the Marvel films they have produced. And I thought R1 and TFA were both decent, but not great. I think R1 was overrated quite a bit as well as TFA. And I strongly dislike and oppose almost anything Trump ever says or does. But also can’t stand snowflake millennial PC trash as much as conservative, right wing crap. And the prequels sucked. None of R1 or TFA’s dialogue was cringe-worthy nor were any performances so awful that they were laughably bad like the prequels contained.
Those are my opinions. Popular or unpopular, I do not care. Dissect them. Ignore them. Agree or disagree, I just wanted to give mine since everyone else is today.
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