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So Episode VIII Is A Reboot Of The Empire Strikes Back?

Jedi Master and Jedi trainee on a far-off distant location interacting with one another. Check. Interwoven story lines of the struggles of the freedom fighters against an evil empire as they continue to battle for freedom. Check. A squad of heroes escape madness for a while as they head to a different glamorous planet. Check. No, we’re not talking about Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back despite sounding just like it. These are actual plot points for Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson said Episode VIII isn’t a reboot of Episode V, but the latest article at EW.com seems to contradict this quite a bit. Click through for more.

Just as The Force Awakens seemed to reflect plot points from the original Star Wars, this film follows a few patterns from The Empire Strikes Back, although writer-director Rian Johnson says that was unintentional.

“I just tried to kind of ignore that aspect of it and have the story take the shape that it needed to,” the filmmaker says. “But look, Rey is off in a remote location with a Jedi master, and the Resistance is in a tough spot, and we’re intercutting those stories. By its very nature, there are some structural parallels. But these are new characters, they’re dealing with new things, and that ultimately is what defines the movie. So I think that’s going to be unique.”

Another parallel with that earlier film: Finn and Rose are part of a squad of good guys who head off on a mission to a glamorous location — not Cloud City on the gas giant planet of Bespin this time, but the casino metropolis of Canto Bight on the world of Cantonica.

“The whole city is kind of one sort of luxury resort that’s been built on this very otherwise abandoned, arid planet,” Johnson says. “It’s like Vegas with aliens. So maybe it is just like Vegas.”

Read the full article HERE.

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  • I am so thankful for intelligent people that can articulate my feelings that I can’t get out on paper. One person wrote this comment:

    “TFA minimized or undermined every major victory, character arc, and relationship in the OT in order to tell a story that had already been told, but by doing it, tells the whole audience (noting that a lot of Star Wars audience is made up of kids) that there’s really no point to your victories, as heroic victories will add up to little. That’s about as cynical and nihilistic as it gets – cynical because it’s destroying the old story to tell it over again and nihilist because things never get better, and your personal victories, your growth, and your heroism are unimportant and not lasting.

    Luke and Han ran away (what about those characters at the end of their arc in the OT would make anyone believe they would later run away from their fight?) Han and Leia’s romance was reduced to them being apart and resulted only in a horrible
    kid and dead Han, it wasn’t even made clear in the film if they had ever even married or just had a rotten kid and went their separate ways (later books cleared up that they had a long and successful marriage until their rotten kid went rotten which makes TFA even more head-scratching). The destruction of the Empire resulted in nothing lasting, the New Republic was a failure…I could keep going, but in order to tell the same story over again, they went out of their way to run over the old one, and the end of ROTJ is about as directly a “and they lived happily ever after” moment as you’re ever going to get at the end of a mainstream film, no matter what Breznican wrote here.

    • Steve Renner

      Like BSG “All of this has happened before and will happen again.”

      • I suppose, but there were so many other more interesting stories that could have been told. I was so holding out hope for Episode VIII. Now i am a little demoralized about it.

    • Maz Kenada

      That story is actually happening in our real world. I can tell by my own experience. In my country there was a civil war, a lot of heroes were risen, oppresors did finaly fall, etc. Democracy did grow up inmediately. Now, 40 years later, many of the things that were achieved after the armed struggle and thousands of deaths, are being lost at a dizzying pace.

      That said, I don’t care if a movie is a reboot or a remake if it’s a good movie.
      TFA was a decent movie. It was not original, but far from a bad movie. Just my opinion.

      Anyway I understand Mr. Paul Harrison point of view. Yes, I also had preferred a 100% new sequel story with the original cast in main roles.
      We will not see that anymore, so I will try to enjoy the upcoming movies afterall.

      • That’s what saddens me is all. I guess I just have to accept the new Disney Star Wars isn’t for me at all. How devastating.

        • David Harrison

          “How do we end suffering? By accepting everything, exactly as it is. Hearing that is like a knife in the heart. Inside we shriek, no! … In fact, there is no choice other than accepting everything exactly as it is, because everything is exactly as it is. It is as simple as that. There is nowhere else to go.” –Cheri Huber

      • Jimmy Griffin

        What country do you live in? If I may ask.

        • Maz Kenada

          I prefer to keep it anonimous. But there are a lot of countries going back to the darkest times, more and more. This is going to turn really bad for a lot of people. So, I will enjoy Star Wars just as it comes, just like a kid. I want to do it and I believe it is not conformism in this case.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Understood. There is indeed a lot of suffering in the world right now; it’s good when Star Wars can be something that entertains us and helps us forget about the real world for a while. I hope you and your loved ones remain safe.

        • Maz Kenada

          Late answer, but I need to tell it.
          I’m from Catalonia, you know, we have been seriously repressed by spanish government. They don’t recognize the fundamental right of vote. Just search about the Spanish civil war to understand the conflict.
          Today, almost 900 people have been injured by spanish police, just because they believe in actual democracy.
          As a metaphor, we are now the resistance, just like our grandparents were the rebels several years ago. The story repeated. Hard times for us. Panic moments today on the streets. Always hope, there is an awakening.
          Thank you.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Wow. I heard about some of what’s going on over there, but I won’t pretend to even remotely understand what you are going through. I hope there is a resolution to this soon and I hope you and your loved ones stay safe.

    • 11Eleven11

      It is very, very common for couples to split up after losing a child. I don’t have any issue with that part of the story. If Leia didn’t want to see Han, that’s not Han ‘running’, that’s him respecting his ex-wife’s wishes.
      Luke has apparently gotten to a place where he feels the Jedi are doing more harm than good, so he exiled himself. That’s not running either. Did Yoda and Kenobi run and hide, or did they wait and plan?
      If you play out life long enough, it all ends in trouble. By the author of the above post’s logic, you could say ‘Why did my grandparents even bother getting married if they were both going to die at age 90? What was the point? Their romance ended in death!’

    • Rivesjunctionite

      Yes, that’s often how life works. Victories are short-lived, or they turn out to be less victorious than we’d hoped. Good people make lousy choices. That’s life.
      I’d rather have characters that go through real struggles than just have a perfect society disrupted by external threats. That’s what Star Trek is for.

      • Mike_5555

        Well said. It feels more honest and realistic to have short lived victories and people who make mistakes.

    • The films are in fact called Star Wars. If it was happily-ever-after after ROTJ then they should have changed the name to Peace Wars, but who would have enjoyed that? “A story must evolve or parish.” I get that there are many similarities between OT and ST films, but there was a lot of that too with the prequels. And given the narrative of TFA being about a kid from a desert planet who gets sucked into an adventure to fight a common enemy (Sound familiar? This is the third time this story has been told in these movies.), they kind of have to evolve that story by making the new hero of the story face a lot of the things the old heroes did. It’s the choices that they make along the way that will be the difference. I’d prefer a lot of the details be different (X-Wings, A-Wings, and Stormtroopers 30 years later… really?), but I seriously doubt this is going to be a complete retread of ESB even though some of those story beats and the rhythm of the saga will feel familiar. And ultimately it’s the main story that should be most important. But we’ll see in a few months.

      • Jimmy Griffin

        Wait…shouldn’t they have changed the name to Star Peace instead of Peace Wars? Just saying. Good points though.

        • Peace Wars is about wars between the most peaceful factions in the galaxy. Who can do peace best!

          • Peace Sells…but Who’s Buying! Wait…I think someone already used that one…never mind.

          • Indiana Skywalker

            It most certainly has been used, by the duo of Mustaine and Ellefson. True poets of their genre.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            You may have a successful new franchise on your hands. Run with it.

      • I hope so. My fingers are still crossed.

      • Maz Kenada

        Peace… Wars… Are you kidding?

        • Who’s the best at being the most peaceful. It’s escalated to a full on war!

      • Caius

        Did you also at one time seriously doubt that TFA would not be a complete rehash? It seems pretty clear that these new films lack originality in so many ways, from characters, to settings, to props. Im not sure what hardships this new hero you refer to has had to face. Seems Rey is completely capable to easily overcome any hurdle. You say yourself that the story threads are familiar, the heroes must go through the same challenges and the “world” has many copied elements. Sounds like a retread, no? This is not a story evolving but a story repeating. When I watched the prequels I did not feel like I was watching the OT over again. elements were similar but it worked well. They did not feel like a obvious in your face rehash

        • Alexander Gates

          That’s because there was a planned Ring of themes; points mirrored and complimented each other. The biggest fear for me about the ST is there was no plan. The finale of IX was not written before VII started filming. (Granted, GL didn’t know how ROTJ would end, but that’s because it was new. The PT was planned in the grand sense.) I feel the only time you can truly just the ST is once we see and digest IX which is a huge ask of casual fans.

        • At their core, the story beats are the same between the three trilogies (so far). All I’m saying is that it should not come as a shock for there to be so many similarities. I did expect that given how similar ANH was to TPM that TFA would probably feel a bit similar to them, and it did. And as I did note, there are too many similar details between the OT and the ST so far. I’m not going to rush in and say the whole ST will be a rehash because we’ve only seen 1/3 of the story so far, but certainly there are visual elements in the trailers and merchandise that are a little too similar.

    • Josh M

      So, I’m new here, and I do not mean this question in any insulting manner. Seriously. No offense intended.
      Have you read any of the old EU? I mean everything you said and things I’ve read you complain about are all in the EU. Han and Luke both “run away” and Han and Leia have a rotten kid that goes to the dark side (spoilers lol) and they do “split” for a good while after Chewie dies. So, I guess another question would be, do you hate the EU (I still don’t like calling it “Legends”) as much as you hate TFA?

      • I don’t hate anything. 🙂

        I love some of the old EU, but the stories where the main characters weren’t front and center, or where the main characters deviated from what we knew of them. I am all for a dark Luke Skywalker. But not a MaRey Sue to bring him back.

        • Josh M

          Ah, I see. Thank you for the feedback. Some of me and my wife’s favorite stories are the X-Wing Rougue Squadron series and the I, Jedi books. So, I def know what you mean by “main characters weren’t front and center”.
          On a diff topic. What is this “MaRey Sue” thing I have seen people talk about. I do not get the reference. I get that Rey “magically” (maybe not the right word) knew how to use the Jedi mind trick/ other Force abilities. I dunno, maybe I am missing something.

          • Long Snoot

            Mary Sue is a term used for the idealisation of a perfect woman.

          • Josh M

            Ohhh ok

    • CT-7567

      Great post. Disney will gladly run over the OT to create the ST. They don’t care about that great work of art. They care about what’s safe and established. And, of course, making money.

    • ExarKun777

      I’m feeling exactly in the same way. Does Vader’s redemption make any sense after all? Luke and Han already decided to be good and responsible guys at the end of Episode VI, why do the men have to behave like children (running away from their problems) in TFA and the women be the only ones making responsible and logic decisions? Was this on purpose?

    • Glenn P. Winkler

      Ah, see, I appreciate the quoted sentiment for a different reason because it effectively encapsulates a lot of what I loved about “Awakens.” Even if those choices were made for business-driven cynical reasons i.e. tell a familiar story, I love the notion that no, you don’t live happily ever after, you have respites from your labors but the story doesn’t end, and you either keep on fighting the good fight or you give up and run. Leia kept on fighting. Luke ran (and I don’t think that’s as out-of-character for him based on what he experienced with Kylo Ren and his students and what guilt and regret must have done to him), and Han ran as well, just not as far as Luke. Heroes don’t have to be perfect and do everything right and not have failures in order to be heroes. Again, I hope the sequel trilogy is alternately about Luke’s redemption, coming back from his period of despair, as Kylo Ren intensifies in evil. For the record, I do hope “Last Jedi” isn’t as much like “Empire” as “Awakens” was like “Star Wars”, but I’ll burn that bridge when I get to it.

    • Alexander Gates

      GL is a genius. I miss him.

      • The comment above was written by a woman too. Interesting, huh? 🙂

        • Alexander Gates

          Sorry, I’m missing the contest of your reply. What does the author’s gender have to do with GL?

      • Daniel Preece

        I already miss Jar Jar and midichlorians. At least they came with Qui-Gon Jinn and Darth Maul.

    • Norman

      OMG, that quote is so well said and true. I have a few laughs along the way but TFA makes me feel so empty when I watch it…

  • BlackBeltJohnson .

    How in the Force can it be unique when we ALSO have a battle against At-Ats across a barren wasteland, and Medical Frigate looking ships??

    • There are AT-ATs in Episode VIII?

      • BlackBeltJohnson .

        In the teaser, there’s a part where those pod-racer looking things are heading straight for what look like At-At (or equivalent) silhouettes in the distance

      • BlackBeltJohnson .
        • Oh…. my…. gosh…..
          This is becoming very disappointing for me. Me sad.

          • Long Snoot

            Having new walkers does not bother me, but using the “airspeeders vs walkers” scenario was very unoriginal. The Battle of Geonosis involves walkers too, but there’s a reason if nobody complains about it.

          • Andrew

            It feels like X-wings might have been a better tool to use against the walkers.

          • CT-7567

            Wait…you REALLY didn’t know this?

          • Nope. I have refused to look at anything. I got sucked into this latest EW article much to my chagrin.

  • Hazzbro Jonez

    ugh/meh..
    im sorry but i find RJ really annoying, smug and a little pretentious given the limited resume.

    i don’t care if anyone likes his other movies or if you like Looper or if it was inventive

    this just reeks

  • scram

    It’d be nice if you’d just give news about Star Wars figures, and not all the periphery stuff, like plot-specifics funneled in from websites that do. I’ve learned my lesson from the prequels, and since then, I try to steer clear of any possible spoilers from movie sites for most films I plan on seeing (not just Star Wars). I don’t want to go into a film with “Jedi Master and Jedi trainee on a far-off distant location interacting with one another. Check. Interwoven story lines of the struggles of the freedom fighters against an evil empire as they continue to battle for freedom. Check. A squad of heroes escape madness for a while as they head to a different glamorous planet.”

    Maybe you could just go with a headline “Check out new Star Wars images and interviews with the cast and director Rian Johnson. Click the link below. WARNING: POSSIBLE SPOILERS. That way people that come here for action figure news have an option, instead of seeing stuff they are trying to avoid. Just saying….

    • I thought EW.com was given all of these reveals exclusively from Disney which is part of the marketing of the film. I thought all contents from these types of articles are fair game.

      • 11Eleven11

        It is your site, boss. Post what you want to.

      • scram

        Fair game, yes, but can’t you give your opinion/bias of the TLJ after the jump from the homepage news paragraph? I’m not planning on reading the EW article, and I probably already know more than I want to after reading stuff here.

        • scram

          From now on, I’ll try to skip the reading and just look at “purdy pitchurrsss of da toeeees”.

    • OfWolfandMan

      I wrote a similar letter to Burger King telling them how to make hamburgers.

  • tc14droid

    At least wait until you see the movie before you say you hate it. Your bias is showing 😉

    • No hate in this heart of mine. Extremely disappointed? Yup.

      • tc14droid

        You probably shouldn’t put yourself through the disappointment of watching the movie.

      • scram

        Paul has stated he has never hated anything earlier.
        We need to follow the example he has set here. Not one of hate, just extreme pessimism and a “it’s gonna suck” stance.

        • I am allowed to have cautious pessimism/optimism.

    • Daniel Preece

      That’s like saying kids should go ahead and stick their hands in the fire TWICE because, who knows, it *might* not hurt the second time. (“Trick me once” and all that.)

      • tc14droid

        Yes, exactly. You are completely right. That is the exact same thing.

  • No one hates STAR WARS like STAR WARS fans.

    • scram

      LOL. “These are not the fans you’re looking for.”

    • “Hate” is so overused.
      Why don’t you provide the alternate side. How does this not bother you at all?

      • Rivesjunctionite

        I haven’t seen the movie. I’ll give you Starkiller base and Jakku. That was way too on the nose. But just having a similar story structure doesn’t mean it’s a carbon copy.

        • But why do they feel the need to do this? Why can’t the story be completely unfamiliar?

          • Jimmy Griffin

            It’s like you just said: safe=$.

          • Rivesjunctionite

            Don’t know. Didn’t write it.
            On the one hand, though, JJ didn’t leave them a lot of wiggle room. The FO is hopping mad from having the third Death Star blown up. Rey is off by herself with an eccentric, reclusive Jedi master. It’s hard to see how resolving these points is not going to mirror ESB a little bit. Blame it on TFA.

          • MellowVelo27

            My point exactly. Though I think it’s possible to end the movie with something original….hopefully.

          • darthmo

            There was no requirement to mirror ESB at all. There could have been themes like further training on board the Falcon but bringing in Walkers, Luxury planet and the family reveal are just too reboot/remake for me personally but I’ll wait to pass judgement until I’ve seen the final film and I won’t blame Ryan for this either, all he’s doing is towing the Mouse’s ears.

          • JohnMorog

            Familiar stories is a gripe I have for movies in general. Nothing seems new anymore. Movies are based off of books or are just sequels. I do have to put aside some of the complaining here, tbh. I don’t mind it, everyone has their right to an opinion, and honestly a lot of the complaints are valid, but I often have to remind myself that I still like Star Wars for Star Wars. It’s like someone who says they like football, but only watch games when their favorite team plays. Forest for the trees and that sort of thing.

          • Thundrstruckd

            It is one of, if not the biggest problem (s), in Hollywood in this day and age. There is a tremendous lack of imagination with writers and producers. Reboots are a constant are nothing but a roll of the dice and shots in the dark with fingers crossed, rather than being creative, going out n a limb and forging a new path for their generation.

          • Mike_5555

            Ironically, this issue is a result of the blockbuster filmmaking that Lucas and Spielberg practically invented. They both used their Hollywood Renaissance and art cinema roots to invent the modern blockbuster, but blockbuster filmmaking has changed the industry in way I don’t think either would have anticipated in the 70s. The medium sized film has virtually disappeared. It’s either a massive blockbuster franchise or a small/independent film. There are some wonderful, boundary pushing, and imaginative films being made right now but they’re often the smaller films. Blockbuster films have increasingly relied on formula, franchises, and reboots. It’s the calculated vs. natural blockbuster. They are exceptions of course. The Nolan Batman films, Mad Max: Fury Road, and the current Planet of the Apes movies are a few quality/imaginative/boundary pushing blockbusters. Or a smaller, more experimental film will breakout at the box office like Get Out. And some filmmakers like Nolan, Scorsese, and Spielberg get free reign to create the movies they want. For a lot of the big studios, money and not creativity is driving the production of films. Which is a shame.

          • Thundrstruckd

            And this is why I don’t watch much these days.

          • tc14droid

            Because the general public likes familiar and safe things. Look how similar and formulaic popular movies, music and consumer tech is. Star Wars is mainstream entertainment meant to appeal to the masses, just like an iPhone is marketed towards everyone who has a phone.

          • So you’re calling everyone sheep?

          • tc14droid

            Not sheep- people have preferences and can think for themselves. But it’s natural to like what you are used to and is familiar.

          • Danny P.

            Someone would still complain of it being “too unfamiliar”

          • Fluke Skycrawler

            Here’s a couple you might have missed, Finn parallels frozen Han Solo as he’s in a coma hibernating in his own unique little “block”. And if the rumors are true, it’s Lea who will re-animate him. If you look closely at the behind the scenes trailer, you’ll find the director setting up a shot in DANG RED TRENCH, the same red material being kicked up by those Ski Speeders, so yes the Hoth battle is being recreated on a new planet. I share your frustrations with this new trilogy because it seems no lessons were learned. Evil Empires still put faith in vulnerable, planet destroyers and freedom fighters continue to believe small speeders and trenches are highly effective strategies against massive terrain walkers.

          • Mike_5555

            If they did something completely unfamiliar, then people would complain that it didn’t feel like Star Wars. Either way, someone wasn’t going to be happy. Disney took the safe route in hopes of capturing the widest audience. It’s not a creative or brave choice, but I understand it. With regards to Rian’s comments, I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with similar structures/themes and agree with him that it was probably inevitable given what Abrams left him. Lucas has talked about that themes and ideas repeat in Star Wars like a poem, you can see that clearly in the OT/PT. I concede that the execution of this concept was sloppy and heavy handed in TFA, it regressed the galaxy and relied on too many familiar elements without adding much of its own. That doesn’t mean that TLJ will fall into that same trap. Johnson is a better, more nuanced wirter than Abrams. Repeating themes and story beats isn’t a problem by itself for me. Lucas did it too and it often enhanced and highlighted the mythic nature of the saga. The execution is what matters, TFA wasn’t very successful in that regard. We’ll see what Johnson can do in December.

          • darthmo

            Johnson is a far superior film maker than JJ.

          • Mike_5555

            Absolutely. Abrams is more suited to producing than writing/directing.

        • CT-7567

          True. That’s why I’m still optimistic about TLJ.

          • Mike_5555

            Rian Johnson is the main reason I’m optimistic. I like his work, how he’s handled himself so far, and what he has had to say.

          • CT-7567

            I’m not really that familiar with him. What’s the best thing he’s done so far?

      • safari4ad

        My take on it is that it’s like a musical or Opera. There are certain themes that will reoccur, but as long as it’s not done beat for beat and they add freshness to the story, I think I will be ok with it. When it’s not overdone, I like how certain aspects mirror other parts of the movies, it adds cohesion. I really do hope that they bring back some familiar aliens though, at least a few. I like the small threads that tie the trilogies together.

    • Hazzbro Jonez

      you mean the passionate fans who have a lot of time, money and heart invested into this franchise? the ones who got it to where it is today? the ones who made it command a $4 billion price tag? i like those fans………….

    • ExarKun777

      I have a feeling that Disney is making now the films from everybody except the old science fiction fans, so now my aunts like Star Wars but I’m feeling alienated, it’s sad for me. I’m being serious on this.

  • Aldo

    Due to the nature of TLJ being the middle chapter in a planned trilogy, certain events need to take place. Struggles and conflicts must be encountered. It needs to conclude with uncertainty, fear, peril, etc. There is quite a bit of negativity on this site considering it’s for fans/collectors….I feel too many visitors here want Star Wars to be forever locked in a very specific (VHS 1987) way and really nothing can be done to gain that audience’s approval….. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dddfe0c10818eec04a463e2ec7e1fcd5cff2eb465fcae4bb3edac972e4fd4161.jpg

    • That’s false. We just want new stories, not rehashed ones.

      • Aldo

        I would like new stories too….. I’d prefer to be entertained with new material versus nothing. Let’s face it, if stories couldn’t be reimagined we’d have Lord of the Rings as the end all be all hero’s journey because everything (including Star Was) copied that.

      • scram

        Lucas rehashed A NEW HOPE with ROTJ. Another Death Star? Don’t crap on JJ AND Kasdan…they just learned it from Papa Lucas.

        • This is the oldest TFA defense in the book. I don’t swallow this argument.

          • scram

            Can you deny Lucas was lazy with another Death Star, being blown up exactly like the first, with a weakness the Rebels found while gathered in a room looking at pics/holograms of the Death Star?

          • Not nearly as lazy and JJ Abrams making a third. That’s all I got.

          • CT-7567

            Can you deny that blowing up Starkiller base THE SAME WAY as the Death Star in ANH is lazy as hell??

          • scram

            Like I said, they learned from Papa Lucas: “Second verse, same as the first. Third verse, same as the first.”

          • CT-7567

            Papa Lucas? The man wasn’t perfect, but if it wasn’t for him, JJ never would have made the millennial masterpiece you’re so in love with. He sure as hell couldn’t come up with something as original as Star Wars, or anything truly original for that matter, on his own. Repeated themes is one thing. Outright plagiarism and a complete retelling of the exact same story is something totally different. I think it’s you wearing the rose-colored glasses.

          • Daniel Preece

            Pay more attention to the story. First, it wasn’t “exactly” like the first. Ep4 was the result of clever spying by the Rebellion, an unexpected surprise to the Empire. Ep6 was a trap by Palpatine. knowing the rebels could not resist attacking another Death Star. It’s actually a darn smart story.

        • Long Snoot

          You see, a second Death Star is not a very smart move already (and in that case it was more of a trap for Luke Skywalker), but a third is just a stupid way to spend resources. Should the fact that we got three of them already justify another one on episode IX?

        • Daniel Preece

          ROTJ isn’t a rehash. It’s a logical continuation of Palpatine’s plan. Militaries don’t just build one of anything. They build multiples if they can. The US didn’t build just one atom bomb for WW2. Lucas was showing how tenacious and dangerous the Emperor was. Abrams was just plagiarizing.

    • Super Amigo

      True. One vote in favor of the lockup here.

  • darthvaderdisco

    What I’m hoping is the like the Ep VII and RO trailers, 90% of the scenes in the teaser will not be in the movie, and this is all a complete snowjob. Something tells me I’m right.

  • JohnMorog

    “Interwoven story lines of the struggles of the freedom fighters against an evil empire as they continue to battle for freedom.” So many movies can fall under this interpretation, or one at least very similar to it.

  • OMG! It’s all making sense. This is why Hasbro is releasing a wampa and probot on Force Friday Episode V is the same as Episode 8! You know there has to be a new Star Wars Entertainment reason for them to release something! (Ponda Baba anyone?)

    • CT-7567

      Wow. That’s a scary connection. Hoth Leia, Probot, Wampa, 6″ figure re-releases and that terrible Centerpiece Hoth thing. Awesome. Let’s let TLJ get us stoked for ESB! 😛

  • Jimmy Griffin

    Was it ever really possible for us to have it both ways? Could they have continued the “happily ever after” ending of ROTJ and still provided us with a dramatic and interesting story that helped the characters we know and love grow and evolve but also still be the heroes we loved and admired as kids? I honestly don’t know. Some would say “yes, the old EU did it”. Maybe. I don’t know; I’ve read the Thrawn Trilogy and loved it and a couple of the books that came out after it as far as the post ROTJ stuff goes. I know a lot of people love the old EU, but if you look really hard past the Thrawn stuff, there seem to be just as many people who think it wasn’t great.

    • There are an infinite amount of ways they could have taken Star Wars. They decided to go with the safe, profitable and rebooted path instead.

    • CT-7567

      Did you read Truce At Bakura?

      • Jimmy Griffin

        Yes, I remember liking it. All old EU books set in post ROTJ that I read: Thrawn Trilogy (duh), Jedi Academy Trilogy, Truce at Bakura, Darksaber, Children of the Jedi, The Crystal Star, Courtship of Princess Leia.

        • CT-7567

          It’s a fun book. I like that it takes place immediately after Jedi. As in the day after the Ewok celebration. I like how Luke is hurting the whole time from his fight with Vader and the Emperor’s lightning. It really stresses how close to death he really was. I didn’t like Crystal Star. Courtship was ok. It introduces Dathomir. Crystal Star just didn’t work for me. Was Darksaber the one with the incomplete skeleton of a third Death Star?

          • Jimmy Griffin

            I think Darksaber had, like, the weapon component of a Death Star. I can’t really remember. I do remember enjoying it when I was reading it. I’m pretty sure Adm. Daala was in that one, and I liked her.

  • dg101

    It didn’t bother me with Force Awakens, and it won’t bother me with this. The things I care about involve it being engaging on-screen and well performed and executed. TFA did that for me. It’s not the greatest end-all-be-all thing ever, but it was entertaining and made me like a Star Wars movie again. I haven’t had that since I was old enough to enjoy the OT the first time around.

    I’m okay with the idea that eventually things fell apart. That’s what happens. You have your victories, your accomplishments, but it doesn’t mean they last forever. Hell, present day America is proof of that. Eventually there will come a time when heroes fall out of favor and the fight starts again. As long as there are terrible people there will always be a need to fight oppression, sometimes even the exact SAME oppression.

    • dg101

      I mean, you could say that I should be looking for a Star Wars that I can get really fired up about and not just one that “doesn’t bother” me…but after the Prequels took a giant steamer on Star Wars in general? I’ll take what positivity I can get.

  • tc14droid

    Let’s see what the actual plot turns out to be. Tidbits from an EW article don’t seem like the best way to judge a film. So far I think it sounds very different from any other SW film, with Luke saying it’s time for the Jedi to end. If anything this gives me more of a ROTS/ROTJ vibe which is interesting to do as a middle film.

    Visual parallels between TLJ and other SW films is nice IMO.

  • JohnMorog

    Familiar stories is a gripe I have for movies in general. Nothing seems new anymore. Movies are based off of books or are just sequels. I do have to put aside some of the complaining here, tbh. I don’t mind it, everyone has their right to an opinion, and honestly a lot of the complaints are valid, but I often have to remind myself that I still like Star Wars for Star Wars. It’s like someone who says they like football, but only watch games when the Green Bay Packers play. Forest for the trees and that sort of thing.

  • Gabriel Mican

    Every single article related to the new trilogy has been negative and highly subjective. It would be nice for once to read something positive. It feels like you decided to hate on this trilogy the moment Lucas sold SW to Disney, regardless of how the movies were gonna turn out. Just look at today’s story, you haven’t even SEEN the movie, yet you’ve decided it’s terrible and that it’s exactly like TESB. There’s hundreds of movies with similar parallels to the ones you have mentioned. Not all of them tried to copy TESB and “cash out”….

    • JohnMorog

      If you want positive posts, read articles by Colin. Paul is the one who despises (is that a strong enough term?) the NT. (it’s okay Paul, you don’t have to like them. 😉

      • Jimmy Griffin

        Don’t distract Colin. He needs to get that review of the latest Darth Vader comic posted; I’m really looking forward to it.

        • CT-7567

          Me too. 🙂 Colin’s comic reviews have been top-notch.

        • JohnMorog

          Legitimate inquiry on your opinion: Should I read the comics before I read the reviews?

          • Jimmy Griffin

            Yes, I’d say definitely.

          • CT-7567

            Yes

      • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

        Compared to Paul, He seems more positive about he film but if you read between the lines he seems pretty nervous about aspects of it as he has every right to be.

    • Let’s summarize correctly please. I was ecstatic for the ST. Then I saw TFA and I wanted my money back. Willing to accept Disney wouldn’t make the same terrible decisions again I had/”have” high hopes for TLJ. EW.com (NOT JTA) made the comparison to TESB. Again, NOT JTA. (Go yell at EW.com in their comments). I asked a question in the headline. This is now your part to join in the discussion and offer your perspective. You guys can’t handle any potential criticisms for the new films. You all become unhinged. It’s very sad.

    • Chris Weiss

      Exactly Gabriel!!! Exactly…its all prejudgement and hate anymore..im out

      • Wow, you college Millennials just cannot cope with anyone having a different opinion than you, can you? Sad. Anything yo don’t like or disagree with is hate. You’re not going to make it far in life if this is your knee-jerk reaction to everything with which you don’t see eye to eye.

  • Josuethefanboy_7

    This abandoned arid planet is Mandalore!

    • JohnMorog

      You’re dead, Jango.

      • Josuethefanboy_7

        Boba Fett is alive and has a daughter.

        • JohnMorog

          How would you know, you’re dead, Jango.
          jk, that would be pretty neat. But probably unlikely. I’ll be annoyed, but not surprised if we never find out who Rey’s parents are…

          • Long Snoot

            Wouldn’t Boba Fett be pretty old at the time? Anyway, I’m pretty sure that the Aftermath novels hint at his death.

          • JohnMorog

            Well, he probably would have been a little more than 30 in ROTJ. That definitely puts him in an okay time-frame to have a 20 year old kid by TFA.

          • Long Snoot

            I just made a small research, and he’s supposed to be 66 years old in TFA (assuming he somehow survived the Sarlacc), which is casually the same age as C-3PO’s.

          • JohnMorog

            Facinating. On the upper end for having a millennial age child, but not impossible.

  • Kenny Kraly Jr

    Oh my goodness Star Wars The Last Jedi It’s not a reboot of The Empire Strikes Back just another clickbait article yet again. Can we please stop running articles saying every Star Wars film of this new Sequel Trilogy from the Disney Era is a reboot of The Original Trilogy? Thank You

    • Clickbait? Go read the EW article.

      • Kenny Kraly Jr

        Paul and JTA all this article is doing is putting more hate on The Last Jedi and The Sequel Trilogy which is does not need ok can we just be happy for once a new Star Wars film is coming out

        • So as long as you see article here that you agree with then it’s all fair game? But don’t let us dare post an article that might shatter your opinions of a film none of us have seen yet? Just enter into the discussion and please stop telling us what we should post and not post. Agree, disagree, or agree to disagree. We’re only trying to have a discussion.

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            Fine fair enough but like I said The Last Jedi is not a reboot of Empire just because you did not like TFA ( I enjoyed it) does not mean you have to say it’s a reboot of another classic OT movie it’s not Paul that’s what your not understanding you just want to bash TFA and The Sequel Era so more and be negative about it. Just enjoy the new movies and once they are done then we can say if they are a reboot or not my goodness

          • Long Snoot

            If you would have taken the time to read the article you would have understood that it was Rian Johnson to underline the similarities between TLJ and TESB, and I’m pretty sure that he knows his own movie a bit better than you do.

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            Fair enough once we see The Last Jedi in December then we can say whither or not it’s a reboot of The Empire Strikes Back

          • OfWolfandMan

            I’m guessing you like CNN.

  • Darth Bre

    For this film I am waiting for friends and colleagues to see it first and if they report back that this is any good then I will give it a go. I made the mistake of expecting too much from tfa last time and getting carried away by the hype, and just couldn’t feel the magic (some people love it, some hate it, very much a polarising film, it had it’s moments but not many of them). I loved RO so maybe I just prefer the otc feel though have bad feelings about the Han Solo movie over the idea and casting. Hopefully we get a decent fett/ obiwan/ jabba spin off movie(s) and maybe an old republic movie or two (even cgi animated like the pc cut scenes). Anyway I will wait and see and happy to be proven wrong on this one!

  • Hazzbro Jonez

    lucas’ movies slant-rhymed , which if we’re using the poetry analogy means they almost-rhymed. these movies are elementary rhymes like dog log fog bog nog

  • Kenny Kraly Jr

    JTA you guys need for posting some articles need to fact check them and get the facts right before posting them my goodness. Because it’s clickbait that what this is

    • Fact checking? Are you kidding me with this crap? EW made the comparison. We’re asking the question if it’s really true. Clickbait? Please Kenny, go complain in EW’s comments, not ours. Thank you.

      • Kenny Kraly Jr

        The Last Jedi is not a reboot of The Empire Strikes Back Paul my goodness period end of story so quit being so negative alright. I repete The Last Jedi is not a reboot of Empire. Just be happy we have a new Star Wars film coming out my goodness JTA

        • It’s called a discussion Kenny. I am asking people to weigh in on EW’s article (which was approved by Disney mind you) and to agree/disagree/reflect, etc. This is not being negative. Please stop becoming unhinged every time you hear an opinion about TLJ you don’t like.

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            I understand that Paul and JTA but like I said lets all look forward to Star Wars The Last Jedi then once the film is released we can say it’s a reboot of Empire or not alright. Quit being so negative about The Sequel Trilogy if you don’t like them then don’t watch the movies

          • EW has made this claim. We’re talking about their claim. What’s your issue with this?

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            JTA your being nagative about The Sequel Trilogy like you always are for goodness sakes look forward to The Last Jedi then once the movie comes out then you can say if it’s a reboot of Empire Strikes Back or not. Good day sir

          • Our discussion is becoming like TFA, rehashed and overdone. We’ll agree to disagree. But maybe you should head to EW and complain about what’s being said over there.

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            Fine Fair enough but The Sequel Trilogy is not a reboot of the OT ok JTA it’s not stop being so negative and just enjoy the new movies alright. I happen to like them so far and enjoy them. Just because you did not like TFA ( I did enjoy it) does not mean you have to say The Last Jedi is a reboot of The Empire Strikes Back it’s not Paul can’t you just understand that.

          • Kenny! I have no opinion of the film because I haven’t seen it. I opened up a discussion on what Entertainment Weekly said. How many more times do I have to say this?

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            Paul like I said just enjoy the new films coming out you don’t have to be so negative about them geez JTA

          • Marcos A

            Kenny, I ask:
            If you also have not seen the movie, how can you be certain that it’s not a reboot of Empire?

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            The Last Jedi is not a reboot of Empire ok fans I’m not going to keep saying it again. Just enjoy The Last Jedi once it comes out then we can say if it’s a reboot or not geez. Good day all

          • CT-7567

            Buy how do you know that? TFA was a plagiarized reboot of ANH.

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            Oh my goodness The Force Awakens is not a reboot of A New Hope why fans continue to say it is don’t understand. Just enjoy the movies and stop saying they are reboots of other things my goodness fans.

          • CT-7567

            Listen, I LOVE Star Wars. I waited 32 years for a proper sequel to ROTJ. TFA was NOT that. Do I really have to list all the lifted plotlines from ANH? I’m not prejudging TLJ. I actually REALLY WANT it to be awesome. Luke is my favorite character and I want him to be great in TLJ. But TFA was definitely a reboot and also severely flawed. I mean, how do you explain Rey’s no-training superpowers?

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            Rey is a great character. The Force Awakens not a reboot of A New Hope

          • CT-7567

            Ok. Can you explain why she’s so powerful? You don’t find it a bit flawed that Luke loses to Vader after rather extensive training in ESB, yet Rey defeats Kylo after no training whatsoever?? Great character? No way. Potential to be? Sure. In TLJ. Not in TFA. Gonna try and explain why she is a superhero in TFA orjust keep posting blanket statements? TFA is great. Rey is a great character. It’s not a plagiarized reboot. Care to explain any of that with actual logic?

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            We will find out how powerful Rey is more in The Last Jedi and I enjoy her character in TFA. I like the new movies I don’t have to explain why.

          • scram

            Can you explain Luke thinking he can summon his lightsaber to his hand with The Force hanging in the Wampa cave? Did Obi-wan teach him that crap off-screen in ANH? Seriously, if you respond that it’s possible, you need to take off your rose-colored glasses in thinking the OT doesn’t have some questions and flaws.

          • He was taught core Force basics by Obi-Wan. Don’t you remember the scenes in the MF?

          • scram

            Yeah, with the blast shield on, sensing the probes next shots. Nothing about moving objects with your mind. That’s Yoda, chief.

          • Those were all preliminary training in the Force. Remember the line “you have just taken your first steps in a larger world”? Keep trying to tear apart the OT, it won’t work.

          • scram

            Keep sweeping under the rug any flaws or questions about the OT. They’ll still be there.

          • It’s a movie. Some inconsistencies exist but the rules were established there. The ST acts like no rules were ever set.

          • scram

            Telling Luke the force …”also obeys your commands” wouldn’t make me make a leap in logic that I can move things with it. He saw Ben play Jedi mindtricks and swing a saber, that’s it.

          • He didn’t turn into a superhero by the end of the film. He wasn’t flung into a the trunk of a tree and unfazed by it. He didn’t ask if the Force was real and then used it powerfully against his enemy. He didn’t use the Force without training. Need I go on? Why are you so forgiving of these egregious missteps?

          • scram

            The first time Rey shows she has force powers is when Kylo starts probing her mind, and then it was awakened. She starts to believe it after this encounter, and the next time she uses it is to do a mind trick on the guards. How did she know the force could be used to do this without being taught that? Oh, I don’t know, maybe the same way Luke knew how to use the force to will his lightsaber in his hand in the Wampa cave WITHOUT BEING TAUGHT THAT by Obi-Wan in ANH. She obviously has heard the stories of the Jedi, as witnessed in her dialogue with Han on the Millenium Falcon, but it wasn’t confirmed for her until this moment (“The Jedi were real.”) If she’s heard tales of the Jedi, it’s not an illogical assumption that she had heard about the Force and some of the things a Jedi was able to do with it. Han assumes that too, hence him saying afterwards “It’s true. All of it. The Jedi, the force…etc.” The next time she uses it is to get the Stormtrooper to unlock her cuffs. It’s not too far a stretch to think she’s heard tales about Jedi and their mind tricks. I think it’s ridiculous that people find it hard to believe she can become powerful so fast, especially if she’s more powerful than a (DARE I SAY IT) Skywalker? We don’t know anything else about her character except from the first film. So maybe we can give the Mary Sue crap a break, and see how Rey’s history is possibly revealed.

          • scram

            I mean, hell, Luke has heard about the Force living on a moisture farm on Tatooine. He’s never seen a Jedi, as they’ve been pretty much extinct at his birth. But he’s heard stories about them. So I’ll give you a gift in thinking that is how Luke knew how to use the Force in the Wampa cave, from stories he’s heard about the Jedi, not from Obi-Wan’s teaching, the same way Rey knows how to use the jedi mind trick–from stories she’s heard about the Jedi. Neither assumption on for Luke or Rey is illogical.

          • OfWolfandMan

            You keep focusing on Luke in the wampa cave as though that was super unbelievable. But you keep forgetting Luke and the audience was introduced to the Force in Star Wars. You are ignoring the fact that time has passed. Certainly Luke learned.

          • OfWolfandMan

            Time elapsed between ANH and TESB. While we were playing with our Star Wars toys and riding bikes and playing Kick the Can, Luke was learning a little bit from Obi Wan. That scene was a great opening and introduction to viewers that Luke had been learning.

          • scram

            See, you’re rationalizing those actions by creating you’re own personal narrative of how he knows to do this. I loved the scene as well.

          • scram

            “…Luke was learning a little bit from Obi Wan.”
            Yeah, right. Which is why Luke was shocked to see his ghost in the Hoth snow, talking to him? But I guess you’ll explain away his shock as simple “of the moment” delirium, hence his surprised reaction.

          • OfWolfandMan

            Ummmm, sure.

          • OfWolfandMan

            Sometimes a person may go weeks, months, years, and then see an old friend. How is that so out of the ordinary? How is that so strange and bewildering?

          • CT-7567

            Sure. Three years of practice. I mean let’s be realistic here. Luke had a couple of actual lessons from Obi-Wan, a Jedi Master, in ANH. Then he had three years on his own. Of course there’s a lot of material that covers that time period. Of course, viewers of ESB in 1980 didn’t have that much ancillary material to go on. Also, a film shouldnt have to rely on books and comics. But at least there’s room for speculation. The Wampa cave is a weak example. People saw him learn of and use the Force in ANH. So him calling to the saber wasn’t that much if a stretch. Rey don’t even know what the force was at the beginning of TFA. By the end she’s basically on the same level as Luke was when he first confronted Vader. Look, I don’t hate TFA. But it’s severely flawed. Just like AOTC has many flaws. Just besypu like it a lot doesn’t make it any better. Maybe we can both agree on one thing? Hope that TLJ will be awesome?

          • Mike_5555

            Rey defeating Kylo doesn’t bother me at all. He had just killed his father and was consumed by inner turmoil. He wasn’t focused. And he had just been shot by Chewbacca. That’s a pretty bad injury. Rey using a Jedi Mind Trick? That does bother me.

          • CT-7567

            It’s not so much that she won the fight. It’s how easy it was for her. Granted Chewie’s crossbow does a lot of damage, but it wasn’t a direct hit. At least have it be a difficult fight for her. Just my opinion.

          • scram

            How do you explain Luke thinking he can summon his lightsaber to his hand with The Force hanging in the Wampa cave? Did Obi-wan teach him that crap off-screen in ANH? Seriously, if you respond that it’s possible, you need to take off your rose-colored glasses in thinking the OT doesn’t have some questions and flaws.

          • Daniel Preece

            “Reboot” means to restart the characters/continuity, that the previous stories no longer exist within the new storyline. So TFA cannot be a “reboot.”

          • CT-7567

            Ok. Plagiarism? Copy? You are correct. It wasn’t a restart of the story. Trek (2009) was a reboot. I actually wouldn’t be surprised if Disney”remakes” the OT some day however.

          • ExarKun777

            It seems you don’t understand that Paul just opened a subject to discussion based on an article from EW. Paul asked to you to made an elaborate opinion in your perspective and you only keep saying “it’s not a reboot”. Did you see TFA? Because that was almost a complete copy from Episode IV, nobody can denies this but I respect if they liked it.

          • Kenny Kraly Jr

            The Force Awakens is not a reboot of A New Hope ok fans stop saying it is. None of the new films are reboots of the older ones. I enjoy all the Star Wars films both new and old.

          • JAL
          • Daniel Preece

            You’re asking us to “enjoy” the second bite of a feces sandwich.

  • Fercho

    Nice handful of spoilers.

    • tc14droid

      Those who are unhappy like to ruin the enjoyment for others.

    • Long Snoot

      That’s literally what you see in the trailer, lol.

  • Chris Weiss

    Omg …another hate article …suprise!!

    • *surprise

      OMG…. another Disney can do no wrong response…. expected!!

      • Chris Weiss

        OMG …another Paul Harrison is the end all be all reply.. F u and this stupid website..

        • Fercho

          Oh dear….

        • LOL! Unhinged! Another college cry-bully Millennial who has not developed coping skills and discussion skills from his extremist university when he hears opinions that differs from his own. Poor child. Go stroke a puppy or buy a pizza, or ask for an extension for a term paper or an exam. You’ll be fine…..

          • These people should try admitting to their friends that they like the song MMMBop and see what lack of validation really feels like.

            Plant a seed. Plant a flower. Plant a rose. You can plant any one of those.

          • Wayne Collins

            Oi, there’s no need to drag MMMbop into this!!

          • Aw, snowflake couldn’t handle my comebacks. Now he’s deleted his comments like a wuss.

  • Dev71

    This has been a fear of mine, however, I can live with similar plot points, if the execution is better than it was in TFA. I think Rian Johnson can do that. TFA had clunky dialogue and moments that, to me anyway, seemed “forced”. It was also one non-stop moment right into the next, so the pacing was problematic to me (movie need downtime in them, time to develop characters, time for the audience to rest, if every moment is an eciting one, then eventually, non of them are exciting). I think (ok, hope), that Johnson can do a job. I fully expect there to be obvious similarities, and let’s face, we’re all looking for them now, but I do think that if the execution is done right, if the dialogue is good, and if there are a few significant developments, it can be a great movie.

  • I didn’t know Bespin also had casinos with Ugnaught pit bosses.
    But seriously, I think Lucasfilm isn’t doing itself any favors by letting these sneak peak articles get published. The only thing they’re accomplishing is dividing the fandom. I’m tired of whiney directors explaining what they did BEFORE their films debut. They’re only doing so to justify their paychecks and to secure their “brand” power. I couldn’t care less. Just do your job the best you can. I want to be surprised (in a good way). Can you at least do that, whiney directors?
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a6c9982d53492676bea71e8a103a1f6471cb4fbc8b17f856f77272fd244b894.jpg

  • Fercho

    Why is everything related to TFA/TLJ always so polarized? I feel like collecting 2012’s Darth Maul package figures everytime I read anything about the sequels.

    • Mike_5555

      It seems like everything has become incredibly polarized.

  • CT-7567

    Gin and Cantonica. Have a few before seeing the movie and it’ll seem good. 🙂

  • Mbraze

    Can’t wait for Rey to abandon her training to go fight Kylo Ren who reveals he’s her dad 🙂

    • Fercho

      Dad? Brother? Step-brother? Uncle? That remains to be seen.

      • CT-7567

        Probably her brother. At the very least, her cousin. It is the “Skywalker Saga” after all.

        • Fercho

          It is a known fact that Rey is daughter of Obi-Wan and Satine.

      • ExarKun777

        “Rey, I’m your cis white evil brother, muahahahahahahaha, fear me” .

      • max rebo

        “pure excitement”

    • Darth Bre

      “Rey, don’t go, you must complete your training…”
      “it’s okay, I know more than you already”

      “told you I did, Mary Sue she is, now matters are worse”

  • Wayne Collins

    It’s nothing like the Empire Strikes Back.

    A squadron of rebel fighters, attack AT-AT’s on the red dust planet of Both. A million miles away from the snow of Hoth.

    Luke Trains Rey on a deserted Island/planet. Completly different to Yoda training Luke on a deserted planet.

    They end up on a strange planet. The casino word is nothing like Bespin, and the fact it is run by an ex-smuggler called Hando Wowrissian, is purely coincidental.

    At the end of the film, Rey will not be tempted by the dark side, nor will she lose any body parts (hands not included) although she may face off against Luke, but we will not hear the line, no Rey, I am your father, and if we do, then it was an oversight,

    Just as TFA was nothing like a new hope, otherwise than an orpanan on a desert planet, runs away and finds Han Solo, and together they find the hidden plans, and blow up a death planet. See completely different.

    • This is my favorite post of the day!

    • Josh M

      I haven’t laughed that hard in awhile!!

      • Danny P.

        Google Hando Wowrissian and you’ll laugh even more

        • starfreak74

          Omg how did you know that’s the stuff I’m into? You filthy hacker you!

    • Fercho

      You forgot to mention that there’s a super evil Dark Lord named “Grand Emperor Sloke”.

      • Danny

        Also, let’s not forget the part where Vader tells Luke; “I am your father”. EP8 will have Kylo Ren telling Rey, “I am your cousin”. Purely coincidental…

        • Matthew Vandebogert

          Han solo never told you the truth about me, I, I Am Your Cousin!!! Rey”NOOOO thats not true, Thats not possible!!!

        • You are pretty funny sometimes.

      • ExarKun777

        His name is Supreme Leader Snorkel, please be respectful.

        • Zarco Rey

          His motivations are murky, but they can’t go too deep.

          • Fercho

            A Swamp Palace with muddy intentions… it fits perfectly.

        • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

          Never did trust the Snorks even as a child in the 80’s.

          • ExarKun777

            Me neither hehehe.

    • CT-7567

      Well done!

    • Mark

      The similarities and your humor are not lost on me. That being said, I don’t really mind the overall Episode 4-6 formula being followed. It’s a good formula: (1. Rookie beats pro, 2. Pro beats rookie, 3. Good guys win but do they really?)

      Is the walking machines vs ships an obvious rip from ESB? Absolutely. Is it likely this kind of battle really happened in a galactic war? Absolutely. Was Luke destined to become a hermit that didn’t want to be bothered until the time was right? Probably. Is the colorful gambling world supposed to mirror Cloud City’s “break from the beige” humdrum of a declining protagonist success experienced in the previous episode? Very likely. Will Episode 9 be set on a planet of primitive yet underestimated puppies? Ok now you’ve gone too far.

      I watch movies like a 10 year old. I’ll leave the movie critiquing to all of you experts. 🙂

      • localfromiskalon

        Upvote for the ‘primitive yet underestimated puppies’ line alone:)

    • darthmo

      Both and Hoth? Hmmmm…..

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Oh, no! They wrote a second act to a trilogy!
    If it is only an adaptation of Empire, then that’s the best of the six to adapt.
    Attack of the Clones? Yikes.

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    Episodes 10, 11, 12 should be adaptations of the prequels, but good (which wouldn’t be hard to do).

  • Matthew Cohen

    Ep 1 is FAR MORE of a clone of Ep 4 than Ep 7 is. People who keep saying these films are just clones have no imagination or understanding of films outside of superficial surface details.

    A male Skywalker living on Tattooine has aspirations of leaving and seeing the Galaxy. Skywalker is known as a good pilot for being able to pilot a dangerous craft through even more dangerous local terrain. An older Jedi interested in Skywalker’s force potential takes him off the planet to hopefully train to become a Jedi. During his story Skywalker comes across Obi-Wan Kenobi, R2D2, C-3p0 and a female royalty character, who Skywalker shows hints of having interest in. By the end of the film the older Jedi is killed by a Sith.

    Skywalker links up with a group of freedom fighters with ties to the royalty character. There he flies his first combat mission, with R2 has his droid back up, against a spherical space station above the planet the fighters are on. Skywalker flies though a narrow path, following it to the end where the station’s weak point is. He blows it up and flies out of there saving the day at the last second.

    Later down on the planet the space station was orbiting, a ceremony is had celebrating victory. The cast of characters turn to face the camera, everyone is cheering and/or clapping. The screen transitions to the credits as that familiar theme plays.

    That’s literally Ep1 AND Ep4

    • But Episode I and Episode IV were good.

      • Fercho

        The deal here is summed up to one word: Originality. Ep IV was super original and EP1, although quite similar to EPIV, was very original. TFA is not.

        • CT-7567

          Exactly.

        • Stereotypical Evil Archer

          Episode IV was just a fantasy remake of The Hidden Fortress.

          • Fercho

            And still, super original.

        • ExarKun777

          Agree!

      • Matthew Cohen

        And Ep7 is better 😉 LOL Really Ep 1 better than 7? That’s hilarious.

        • For me, yes. Episode VII can’t be any worse of a Star Wars film for me. Sorry to disappoint, but it’s just my opinion.

        • CT-7567

          Way better.

          • Darth Bre

            Ep 1 had pod races, Obi-Wan v Maul fight, Liam Neeson and Sam L Jackson, sneaky palpatine, some of the best music (duel of fates) , original costumes and ships like the naboo fighters which looked star wars. Though granted it had midiclorians, Jar Jar/ gungans, roger roger droids asian stereotype aliens and awful cgi yoda, but it was fun and watchable.

          • Super Amigo

            I can apply that same review to the whole prequel trilogy: all three movies have some epic, awe inspiring parts, but unfortunately are also riddled with crap to no end.

            What the PT needs is some diligent trimming, like some youtubers did a while ago, with the “cheese removed” versions.

          • Darth Bre

            Totally agree, aotc especially (personally my least favourite of all the movies), the casting and dialogue didn’t help as there was no chemistry between the star crossed lovers. They still had some great original moments though.

        • ExarKun777

          In my opinion, yes, Ep 1 is definitely better than TFA. At this time I’m not even considering TFA as an Episode.

        • Funtomaz

          EP I can be criticized in many ways, but it was much more original. Apart from Jar-Jar and a few badly delivered lines by Anakin there are also quite a lot of things to enjoy in the movie.
          I prefer EP I to TFA. I never understood the prequel hate anyway.

        • Daniel Preece

          Ep7 is hacked out dogshit.

    • Daniel Preece

      Lucas did a lot better job of covering up his repeats. Abrams is just a hack.

    • darthmadonna

      your story doesn’t prove that TPM is more of a clone than TFA. You just point out similarities where as TFA has all that and more.

  • Albert Escobedo

    The trailer shot of ships flying towards walkers gave me a “subtle” hint that “The Last Jedi” would follow “Empire” one way or another. Am I excited for plaguerism? Well, no not really or at all. They already pushed themselves into that path from the ending of “The Force Awakens”. Oh well, that’s why I like other things in life, like a bike ride or a tennis match. I’ll watch the movie anyways with family and hope for a good time (even if it’s to point and laugh).

    • tc14droid

      Don’t all of the SW films start with a shot in space and a pan down to a star destroyer or some other large ship?

      • Albert Escobedo

        Yes they do. I was suggesting plot points. Sorry for the mislead.

  • Wow, I didn’t want to sink this low but I think I need to coin a new term and use it often: Disney Star Wars zealots. They’re beginning to act just like the EU zealots.

    • tc14droid

      You need to label people who disagree with you?

      • Have you seen the attacks below? I don’t need to, but I certainly want to. I’ll get over, don’t worry. 🙂

        • ExarKun777

          I read one robot that keeps saying the same thing to you again and again, and do not elaborate in his/her opinion. It’s ok to disagree but it seems some people forgot how to write more ideas hehe.

      • No, and I think a huge component about this that is being missed.

        Paul is talking negatively about what he sees as the state of Star Wars.

        Then some are flying of the handle and attacking HIM negatively.

        I hope the reasonable members of the community see there’s a big difference there.

        • tc14droid

          I’m not going to speak for others. I was not attacking anyone. I was saying it seems silly to already write off this movie before seeing it based on EW tidbits. And I mentioned some reasons as to why a more safe approach to the SW movies can make sense for mass appeal.

          • I don’t see how you interpreted any of this as writing off this film. That is a hypersensitive oversimplification.

          • tc14droid

            Your blog post was a rant about the film being a reboot of ESB. You’ve made up your mind and go after everyone who disagrees with you.

    • Paul, I think something is wrong with me. I am cautiously optimistic about The Last Jedi. You are leaning towards pessimism. Yet when you voice your pessimism, my world doesn’t come crashing down on me launching me into histrionics and hyperbole. It doesn’t have any affect on my mood, or affect my emotions in any way.

      Is there something wrong with me. It it possible I’m an android?

      • We went to college before it became a brainwashing/gender studies/any opinion different from yours is hate crash course.

        • Mike_5555

          College isn’t like that now either. Well the debt part is accurate, but colleges haven’t become brainwashing factories where different opinions aren’t tolerated. Of course you can find a college, college course, or college student to validate that view but it isn’t the reality for most.

      • It depends. Have you seen attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion?
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9abdcfbd332e1bdab88b12aa13b7cafaedb5dc005f03f851bffc52fac08d346f.jpg

      • CT-7567

        I love SW as a film the way I love The Beatles as music. That said, I can live with the existing movies and still always be a fan. If TLJ is good that’ll be great. Then maybe IX will be good. Bit if it’s an ESB rehash the ST is sunk, but that can NEVER destroy the greatness of the OT, TCW and even the PT. RO too. Im more worried about Solo.

        • Mike_5555

          I love both Star Wars and The Beatles. Both are very important to me.

          • CT-7567

            You have excellent taste. 🙂

    • CT-7567

      It totally blows my mind hearing people rank TFA as third favorite after ESB and ANH. To each their own, but come on. The only truly great SW Disney has done is RO. Just to be clear, I REALLY WANT TLJ to be awesome. But Finn is SO boring. I think after the TVC it might be time to retire and just watch TPM-ROTJ, RO and TCW over and over and enjoy the great toys of the past. When I hear people call this the “greatest time for SW” I want to scream.

      • Funtomaz

        The cast of the OT felt organic, natural. But the new cast feels like it was assembled by a committee, to check all boxes, it doesn’t feel as natural. I might be wrong, but whenever I see the new cast (and I like most of them) I always get that nagging feeling that they are in the movie because of some agenda. As well meaning as the agenda may be, even justified, but as a consequence the cast doesn’t feel “natural” or as “organic” as the original cast.
        The OT never had as bland a character as Finn. I don’t blame the actor, I blame direction and script. Let’s hope he’s much better in TLJ. JJ Abrams should stay away from everything I love. He’s derivative, unoriginal and a one trick pony with his silly box of mysteries.

        • CT-7567

          Great comment. Well said. I do like Rey and Poe well enough because the actors did a good job with what they had. I think those characters have potential. Finn, as you say,bis just boring and I really don’t like Boyega anymore. I probably would really dig Kylo if the tantrum scenes weren’t in TFA. I mean, the son of Han and Leia who turns to the dark side and is obsessed with Vader? On paper it’s a great idea. A lot of it is lifted from the old EU, but still not bad. By he whiney aspect of his character really takes him down several notches. Some people complain about his look and it’s similarities to Vader. I actually like his look a lot. Of course he would try and emulate his grandfather. His lightsaber is awesome. He looks cool with the helmet, but also intriguing without it. But between his tantrums and easy beating at the hands of a woman that never held a lightsaber before, he kind of comes off as a wuss.

    • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

      Now now. At least EU zealots were defending something original.

  • Danny P.

    “Finn did his part. Starkiller base has been destroyed. Now he wants out” replace Finn with Han and Starkiller base with Death Star. You are wise in the ways of science Paul.

  • Mark

    A reboot would have to disregard the rules of the current Star Wars canon and start over with new rules. Are we reboots of our parents just because we both say “I’ll give you something to cry about” when we became parents? Coming full circle in a continuous multi-movie story is not rebooting. It’s Palpatine’s apprentice cutting off Anakin’s arm, him becoming Palpatine’s apprentice and cutting off his son’s hand, his son almost becoming Palpatine’s apprentice as he cuts off his father’s hand and looks at his own hand and then breaks the chain. People are wasting too much time comparing the new movies with their OT counterparts but I guess that’s what you’re best at. 🙂

  • HothHan

    I’m looking forward to TLJ. I like Star Wars. I like going to the movies. It’s always fun to hang out in line with other fans/collectors at FF events and waiting for the midnight showing. The movie doesn’t have to be some sort of ground breaking new Star Wars story for me to enjoy it. The music, the sounds, the nostalgia…that’s what I am in for. Not liking certain aspects of the movies and having opinions is what makes this fun. I don’t know why people need to get personal.

    • Albert Escobedo

      These movies are fun to watch.I like the excitement from other people that each movie brings out. It leaves things to talk about.

  • ExarKun777

    I’ll wait to see the complete development of the film. My opinion is that the battle vs the new AT-ATs and the training with a grumpy master are ideas extracted from the Episode V. I’m just hoping that they don´t make a similar scene “surprise” scene saying “no Rey, I’m your something” because that will be hilarious.

  • CynF

    (this op-ed piece is written without reading the EW article – ever since reading the RotJ book before seeing the movie finding out plot points before seeing it visually has always felt like finding your presents before your birthday and then not being surprised -on- your birthday)
    We can pretty much place the blame on two decision points:
    1) The idea to turn the EU into “Legends”. I get why they did, so the new movies would have freedom to move – the problem is the new movies have not exercised this freedom in any tangible way.
    2) JJ wanting to play it safe because he saw the vitriol surrounding the PT and was determined to make a SW film that brought the OT fans back to the epic and made SW feel like SW again. In the end what he did was no better than the disposal of the EU as he came perilously close to retconning SW to suit his own devices. He even snuck in one of his Lost tricks with the Rey and the lightsaber thing on Takodana.

    Well for item 1) by doing so they eliminated some fantastic plot points but considering they resurrected Thrawn from the EU and brought him into canon again, there’s no reason they couldn’t with devices like the Sun Crusher. Datamine the EU and pick and choose plot devices. A problem with that though – it won’t sate the ‘nothing original’ crowd. To do that you need to not only not rehash plot points from any of the previous eight movies but you also can’t look at ANY book or fanfic. Good luck with coming up with something truly original that won’t be dissected and distorted – “That new character comes from a swamp planet. OMG it’s too much like Dagobah!”, “The force user is looking a bit dark sideish, we’ve seen that before in Anakin and Ben Solo!” (keep in mind even Luke had his dark side moment when he managed to best Darth Vader and Rey has had hers in getting the better over Kylo Ren – even Obi Wan had one in TPM. Shoot, even Yoda himself is guilty of the arrogance he criticized the Jedi of if you really look at the details… see? dissect and distort)
    For item 2) we get that there’s a lot of us devotees to the OT, but if you want SW to survive past when we start to die off, you need new blood. Even JJ admits the PT is to that generation as the OT is to those who preceded it. There will be a generation who are enamored with the ST and think Rey, Finn, and Poe before they think Luke, Leia, and Han.

    So coming back around to TLJ – while I’m not a fan of Luke’s line in the teaser (I am also not a fan of the title at all), we don’t know where in the movie this is said – so wait and see. Will this be a rehash/reboot of ESB? There are bound to be similarities – we already know of walkers being in the movie and we know the generic theme of a trilogy: pt 1 introduces us and creates the struggle, pt 2 intensifies the struggle, pt 3 resolves it. Every trilogy uses this – you can’t escape it unless you encapsulate each movie into its own arc which we all know isn’t done for the main sequence of movies. Even the PT followed this – just that the ‘resolution’ had the bad guys win, it is still the same direction. What you choose to do with those similarities is what is going to color your reception of the film. You can let it override all rational thought and come into it thinking “I loved ESB as the GMOAT’ and you’ll never give the film even a ghost of a chance of entertaining you, or you can choose to accept that there will be common points and just go with it and then afterwards base your opinion on the movie solely on said movie.

  • Stereotypical Evil Archer

    There better be Wampas!

    • Matthew Vandebogert

      Wampas and we better get a Benicio Del Toro figure.

    • Mike_5555

      Snoke is a Wampa!

  • DC555

    Yikes

  • TimmytheTusken

    I look at old codger Luke as more a Mr Miyagi than Yoda. Rey will grow tired of the manual labor Luke is making her do, and she will contemplate quitting but unbeknownst to her he will show her great Jedi aptitude by showing her how to wax on wax off and paint the fence

    • Jimmy Griffin

      So it’s going to be a rip off of Karate Kid 4?

  • PorgAddict

    I’m worried about this film but I have confidence in Ryan Johnson. I just hope that Dinsey isn’t controlling the storyline so much as to restrain any new creative ideas.

  • Shoretrooper

    ” the struggles of the freedom fighters against an evil empire as they continue to battle for freedom” – expect the First Order supposedly isn’t an evil EMPIRE, but rather a secret army of zealots trying to take over the galaxy. Then are established as NOT being a dominant power. So HOW and WHY can there be a “resistance” movement against them?!?! It doesn’t make sense!!

  • Toy Story 3
    😜

  • The new trilogy has become an unintentional comedy. I might go see Episode 8 just for laughs. Whereas Lucas intentionally tried to be funny with characters like Jar Jar and failed the Kennedy/Disney Syndicate tries to make everything so serious yet it comes off as funny. Imagine the new films with Monty Python or Benny Hill show soundtracks instead of John Williams and tell me it wouldn’t be a riot! Or maybe play “Low Rider” when Finn and Poe steal the TIE Fighter and “I Will Survive” when Rey’s beating up thugs with her staff. How about the Beatles “I want to hold your hand” when, well…you know…

  • Mbraze

    AT LEAST WE HAVE PORGS TO LOOK FORWARD TO

    • Darth Bre

      In the leaked pics Chewie is using one as a dashboard bobblehead for the falcon…

  • Jordan Siron

    This is the inherent danger of a franchise; where would they have taken the story? The entire arc of 1-6 was to bring balance to an ancient conflict while quelling the total rule of a horrible galactic tyranny. What story could they have otherwise told in this new trilogy that would have the same thematic weight? If Luke, Han, and Leia aren’t trying to stop either a resurgence of the Sith or a growing tyranny, where’s the tension? The first six films already that the fate of entire star systems at risk. How do you follow that up?

    (Barring the EU, as I think most of us know–even if we won’t admit it–that the majority of the EU was garbage fan-fiction that got published because Lucas liked cashing those checks. And even then… clone emperor, resurgence of the empire, and descendants of the main cast having to go on similar journeys in order to realize their fates… all of that derivative plot work was ample in the EU.)

    While I can understand the disappointment with seeing people’s victories seemingly amount to nothing… I mean, that’s how the world has always worked. Conflict is never ending. We all know that, but it doesn’t keep us from fighting for what we believe in. We continue because we know that our efforts will yield moments of peace and plenty. Having Star Wars reflect that reality isn’t a bad thing.

    What seems on the surface to be cynical and nihilistic is, I would argue, a great message to future generations: the work of those who came before was valuable though imperfect. We all have to fight the battles unique (yet not so unique, just as in real life) to our generation. And progress is slow, but it is made–but we should never forget that i Is constantly under threat.

    As for the perception that structure similarities equate to identical movies, one need only look at Halloween and Alien–two films with identical structures, but wildly different identities.

  • Thundrstruckd

    I can’t be surprised. TFA was ANF part deux. I guess we should expect by now that it is completely impratical to believe that Disney would have the desire and the talent to build something from the ground up, flesh out a storyline that endures the entire length and breadth of a trilogy without having to take the easy way of relying too much on it’s past and hoping for the best.

    • DustyAyers

      Bingo.

  • Henry

    So far, I like what I’ve seen of Episode VIII. I hope it doesn’t parallel Episode V as much as Episode VII paralleled Episode IV, but I do hope for the general darker tone of Episode V.

    • Yes, agreed.

    • Mike_5555

      There are going to be parallels to TESB, especially if you look for them.

  • Funtomaz

    If Ep VIII is similar to Ep V it will be regrettable. I had hoped for something original when a new trilogy was announced.
    But, unfortunately, we live in the age of corporate filmmaking, the age of prequels, sequels, reboots, reimaginations and rehashes. Big budget movies play it safe, have to play it safe since these blockbusters carry a high financial risk.
    All I hope for now is, that the movie will be entertaining. And they better not kill off Luke…

    • ExarKun777

      Luke will vanish in his sheets inside his little cave in Episode IX, saying “I’m too tired, too old, cooof cooof”.

      • Darth_Rizzen

        You beat me to it. 😆

  • Robert Froelich

    If Finn or Poe get frozen in carbonite and collected by a bounty hunter, I’m out.

    • LOL!

      • Mike_5555

        What if they are collected by a Mandalorian bounty hunter named…Sabine. Are you excited yet? 🙂

  • Wrong. It’s Chuck’s and Paul’s site. We’re co-owners.

  • Daniel Preece

    I think you mean “remake,” not “reboot.” A reboot is when you start the continuity over again and the previous stories/characters don’t count.

  • Gloriouscollector

    LOL I said this in another post!

  • Richard Grissom Jr.

    Stat Wars Ring Theory.

  • Serpico Jones

    This time the smooth talking Lando type criminal is a con man hacker played by Benicio Del Toro.

  • MellowVelo27

    I mean, say what you want about TFA( I like it). The Last Jedi has no choice but to follow the plot setup for them. It would be very difficult to change some of those major plot points, not that they can’t accomplish that by the end of the movie.

    • And you’re just going to accept that as good movie making?

      • MellowVelo27

        Well we haven’t seen TLJ so none of us can say. But to blame Rian Johnson and crew for following the plot setup for them is ignorance.
        Like my last sentence said, they do have an opportunity to change the ending, which COULD be good movie making. But to simply ignore what isnsetup for them is horrible movie making.

  • StarWarsCollectorNB

    I guess people have not figured out that the whole basis of Star Wars is basically a ping pong game. Ball goes to one side, ball goes to the other side. Player wins at one turn, other player wins at other turn. This match is set for 3 rounds. Good guys have won the first round (set) the bad guys will win the second set and the good guy will win the last set.

    They will put in a little variety in the sets to make it look obvious that it is not full rigged as described above but that about the extent of the story. The storyline is trapped and dictated by the fact that it is a trilogy and set up as above ( repeating myself ) and the fact that this is a family story ( Leia ) said it makes it even more obvious. You will only see something different on standalone films as they are their own entity. If this was some sort of longer series, you would most likely not see rehash over rehash of course. it’s still gonna make a bazillion $ no matter what anyways. Might as well live with it.

  • zx_spectrum_30

    No remake but there will be parallels updating for a moden audiance…forget Ice Cream Maker Man, TLJ will have Gelato Mixer Lady.

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