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The Ongoing Diversity Debate Finally Comes To An End....

….or does it? Ever sinceΒ Episode VII was announced and we found out there was a female lead AND a black Stormtrooper, there was constant debates and some outright horrible statements being made. Then Disney put yet ANOTHER female in the lead role of their next Star Wars film; Rogue One. This has sparked many more debates on whether Emperor Kennedy is only looking to cast strong female leads, but now that is over! (maybe..) DigitalSpy published an article that finally put the ongoing diversity issue in terms the industry can understand….diverse casts make all-around more money! Read all about this hereΒ and let us know your thoughts in the comments below. (this should be fun)

DISCLAIMER: The term “Emperor Kennedy” is meant to be tongue-in-cheek and is not meant to be taken as negative views towards the diversity article. This is just a loving term I coined for humor.

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  • TO BE CLEAR.. I do NOT have any issue with diversity in any way at all. I don’t want the “Emperor Kennedy” remark to come off the wrong way. That is just the name I use for her in majority of my references. I have NO issues with women being cast and I was never one of those “What??? A Black Stormtrooper????” people. Keep this conversation friendly folks.

    • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

      She only cares about diversity with the males. If they wanted real diversity then they would cast someone who was a little person, transgendered, or mentally handicapped. Not even other “diverse” tent pole series have the balls to do that.

      • You’re correct I am afraid. But this will be interpreted as we fear women or something else ridiculous….

        • Zarco Rey

          “Harden yourself against subordinates. Have no friend. Trust no woman.”

          • “So let it be written…”

          • I don’t know what’s going on here.

          • JediJones

            Can we harden ourselves against women too? Sometimes it just happens unintentionally.

          • OfWolfandMan

            Lol (If I follow correctly)

      • JediJones

        Star Wars has always had little people diversity. R2, Jawa, Ugnaughts, Ewoks… No wonder it was so successful!

      • dogbite

        Game of Thrones did that, & also happens to be the biggest thing on tv in years…no way it’s related though right?

    • To be clear, what’s the point of the article then? I mean no disrespect or anything. I’m genuinely curious. To share the article I get that. But to include the usual commentary that tends to stir the pot here. Again, I’m not taking a side or trying to fan flames. Just trying to understand.

      • Colin What did I tell you!? πŸ™‚

        • I don’t even know WHAT commentary I put? I said Emperor Kennedy and even explained it was meant as a joke. There really is no winning! I literally said NOTHING of my own thoughts in this post other than those two words. The rest were just a timeline of the past arguments made.

          Geeze, you’re right! No more trying to be funny or lighten the mood. You only end up shooting yourself in the foot, and boy does my foot hurt right about now.

      • Rob Redahl

        You already answered your own question:
        …to stir the pot.

        • JediJones

          Do they make any ad money off stirring the pot though since Disqus auto-refreshes the new posts?

      • What commentary did I add to stir the freaking pot? Geeze. I said Emperor Kennedy as a joke throwback to the LAST time I said that. I made absolutely NO statement in the post AT ALL. PERIOD! There was NO commentary other than the word Emperor Kennedy. ZERO. I included a brief history of the arguments made. Other than that, I can’t help you. You seem to just like to argue with my posts for the sake of it. I made NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO commentary. Please, tell me the commentary I made? I even made it clear that the Emperor Kennedy thing had NO ill intentions. What more do you freaking want from me? What is the point of THIS post here? Just to get a rise out of me?

        • General Hux
          • Mike_5555

            Pretty much lol πŸ™‚

        • Are you sure you want to retract it? Let me know if you change your mind. I can provide a screen shot.

          Firstly, this is the only response I will post to your reply. I don’t have time to get dragged in.

          Secondly… really, Colin? Let me break it down for you. Rather than post a headline saying something like “DigitalSpy: Diverse Casting Leads to Higher Returns”, you opted to go with “The Ongoing Diversity Debate Comes to an End”. Yes, I can read the sarcasm between the lines. Presumably, most can. It’s still a mildly inflammatory bait-and-switch. Then, the entire commentary (yes, commentary… it’s what you chose to write below the article title) is written in the same fashion. (Words with all caps, stating that the debates “are over!” That turns it from a summary report to a commentary, whether you choose to believe that’s what it is or not. Then, the fact that you felt you needed to clarify by adding a disclaimer goes to show that you knew full well your post could be construed as inflammatory. I don’t see why you’re acting surprised and trying to play the victim here.

          • Did you read the article? The debate comes to an end…do you know why I wrote it now? If not…go back and re-read it.

          • Thundrstruckd

            Eh, you can’t please everyone. It’s not like anyone is being forced to read or participate in any of the discussions.

          • shane

            It’s all good Colin. There are very unique reasons why some of us come here more than any other SW site. Unique is the key word here. Let’s say I disagree with something you you or Paul say in a post. ( Which is possible).
            It’s probably NOT going to actually bother or irritate me, I can tell you that.
            Mabey I’m just not super sensitive.
            Mabey some people are.
            Don’t change your posts, opinions, attitude and writing to cater to over sensitive people.
            Your doing just fine.

          • Nick Dickens

            Here here. It’s just click bait of the first order – and like all CB stuff – to be avoided.

          • Yeah. I mean he seems like a nice guy and all, and I don’t think anyone should let a couple bad experiences dictate their entire perception of a person. Especially when they don’t know them or what they’ve been through personally. But you can’t have things both ways. Post what you want, but take responsibility for what you post. Then to assert that other people are too sensitive and that they think certain things about them when they don’t know that to be true? Not very professional. Then there’s that other thing warning people about photographic spoilers, yet it’s seemingly OK to name said spoilers beforehand. LOL

    • Vader Hater

      hahaha the mandatory 2nd disclaimer. Society is way too sensitive these days.

      • I couldn’t agree more..

      • shane

        I know right? Super hyper sensitive. It takes nothing to offend people.

        • Faust

          How dare you say that

    • Rob Redahl

      Thou doth protest too much.

      • I do? How much is too much? One time? In that case…protesting too little with be zero…so where is the middle ground? Thou doth need better statements :p

    • bobcat

      just stick to your guns man. if you think K Kennedy is a nazi then dont apologize for saying it ten seconds after you say it πŸ™‚ thats the only thing i dont get here.

      • That isn’t the point…Emperor Kennedy is a throwback to a previous article. And I do think she has control issues with the films, but I wasn’t saying anything negative about Diversity…and I wasn’t apologizing..because there was nothing to apologize about. I was clarifying.

        • bobcat

          oh, it sounded like it to me but thats cool then. regardless, the han movie will prob suck so i guess my comment and everyone elses doesnt matter too much lol πŸ™‚

    • Daniel Preece

      The controversy over a black Stormtrooper had nothing to do with diversity. It was an outcry over an apparent continuity error. The Empire was all white males. To make the Imperial gov’t racially inclusive is to lessen its evil.

  • Fire JJ Make SW Great Again!

    So far in the Disney films we have had female leads who were……

    – White
    – In their 20’s/30’s
    – Moderately attractive
    – Petite
    – English
    – Cis
    – Brunette

    I’m not seeing any diversity here, No matter how much they thump their chest about it

    • Hazzbro Jonez

      good point, my wife also pointed out this pattern

    • Zarco Rey

      Wrong. Neither Rey or Jynn were part of the CIS (Confederacy of Independent Systems). Did you even watch the films?

      And moderately attractive? Attractiveness is best in moderation.

      • I think he meant cisgender.

        • Zarco Rey

          CIS Gender Grievous? Oh, yeah, him.

    • zx_spectrum_30

      No idea what Cis means but yes, the focus on brunettes is disgraceful…Leia, Mothma, Farr, sundry Jedi, Etc, etc.

      What happens when they finally give us a redhead…they rip up the whole EU and pretend Mara Jade never happened.

      • Hazzbro Jonez

        its some new word that means “im not transgender” or something..not too sure

      • Faust

        Mon Mothma has red hair, yo

    • Hazzbro Jonez

      man i am so dense i watched that movie a lot when i was a kid, my parents had the VHS…..never knew that it was a scorsese film. ha . but i havent seen it in 20 years

      • Hazzbro Jonez

        i always thought it was funny he worked at Children’s Palace. it was very similar to the layout of my local Children’s Palace

      • Another fun fact: Buena Vista/Disney distributed this movie.

      • JediJones

        Some people suspect Scorsese didn’t know it was a Scorsese film either.

  • It may make a ton of money (good for them) but so far both films pale in comparison to anything done in the Original Trilogy (by a landslide). #whereisthenativeamericanrepresentationkathleenkennedy

    • lol you should trend that hashtag! I think Diversity has become a dumbed down version of what it once was. Diversity has come down to being women and African Americans now. Sometimes Asian Americans, but it definitely isn’t as widespread as the term Diversity would imply.

      • What is so ironic about my hashtag is that I don’t even care. Luke Skywalker will be one of the greatest heroes in my lifetime. I don’t care about anything else, like his skin color. πŸ™‚

      • Logan

        Don’t even get me started. What about the Latino community? We have been totally ignored and yet you don’t hear George Lopez come out and complain like everyone else. We could be represented in the Star Wars with great characters such as Juan Cholo, Chuy, and Arturito.

      • rebelsfangirl

        This is true sadly. “Diversity” has become something of a checkbox item, something put on display on the front end of a product (like the cast of a movie) while behind the scenes thins remain much as they were. That’s changing somewhat though, Wonder Woman, Black Panther etc. put a lot of diverse creators behind the camera too.

        It does amuse me when people accuse Disney of pushing diversity though, because they aren’t regarded as particularly progressive company by lots of group (speaking as a lesbian, we’re almost non-existent in Disney products, certainly as protagonists) and they have been roundly mocked for claiming to have trouble finding Arabic or Indian actors who can sing to star in Aladdin (Bollywood is kind of a Thing).

        • Mike_5555

          I read the article about the Aladdin casting and it was pretty laughable. Did they forget to check Bollywood? An Aladdin reboot is a horrible idea to begin with though.

          • rebelsfangirl

            Yep lol, it was completely ridiculous. Not to mention that one of the supposed frontrunners for the role, Riz Ahmed, can sing. I don’t mind the idea of a live action Aladdin but this whole “issue” is just ridiculous.

          • Funtomaz

            Haven’t you heard? Disney is apparently making live action remakes of most of its successful animated movies. “The Lion King” live action remake will be released in 2019.
            I’d rather they created new original animated or live action movies, not just rehashes of past successes.

          • Paul B

            Those live action movies are awesome though.

          • shane

            I know right ? Will remakes ever end ? Guess not.
            Not to change the subject but I can’t find Funtomas with English subtitles anywhere. I’m very intrigued by what I’ve seen on you tube. It does look awesome.

        • JediJones

          Diversity supposedly making money for movie studios certainly wouldn’t apply to a homosexual lead character in a children’s or family film. They represent a very small portion of the population and the inclusion of one as a lead would surely turn off more potential audience than it attracted.

        • I agree with you. Sadly, that is the way things are these days. There is no middle ground on ANYTHING. There is either too much or not enough and it will sway back and forth accordingly. I think that is the most ridiculous thing ever about Aladdin. I haven’t been following that, but I heard about the difficulty briefly. And hey, at least they’re getting some Lesbian and Gay characters in the Star Wars universe in the novels. It’s gotta start somewhere right? Hopefully they’ll make a better effort to get that into the mainstream more.

    • JediJones

      Wonder Woman had a Native American in a minor role. Maybe that was the secret of its success?

      • I don’t care. I would have been just as happy with a white male. LOL.

      • dogbite

        Hahah they literally called him “Chief”, I wouldn’t rush to herald that as “true” diversity.

        Why couldn’t he just be named like Albert, or really anything else less cliche?

    • The same was said about the prequels. Not just by the mainstream, but by a large sector of fans. The difference here as far as I can tell is that the mainstream and most fans seem to hold TFA and RO in higher regard.

      • But I agree the PT pales in comparison. They suffered by Lucas going way too far back to Anakin’s origins and ignoring the formation of the Empire and Rebel Alliance. There was way too much focus on the Jedi stuff, which is good for an act or two, not for an entire trilogy.

        • rebelsfangirl

          They suffered because Lucas needed someone to rein him in. The man is a genius but he needs to be given boundaries.

          • LOL. I agree. He has like Star Wars ADHD or something.

          • Rivesjunctionite

            Exactly. He didn’t have the collaborators he had during the OT. If his creativity had been put to work for a decent script, each prequel could have grossed a billion domestically.

          • rebelsfangirl

            Yup.

          • bobcat

            mah, i think his peak was long over too. it happens to everyone/every band..etc etc

          • rebelsfangirl

            That’s possibly true, but I still think the PT could have been better if he had people to rein in his impulses. I mean they still helped revolutionise the use of CGI which isn’t bad heh.

          • I feel like THAT is why the prequels suffered, exactly what you said. George Lucas needed to be controlled. They were creating all this amazing, groundbreaking CGI and he just kept GOING with it and GOING with it. Using it just to use it. I think if he had made the Prequels sometime after the CGI craze peaked and Michael Bay blew up enough things, he would’ve made a brilliant prequel trilogy that was well-balanced.

            He was like a kid who was handed a million dollars and sent into a candy shop. “I want that, and that, and that oooooh and that!” He couldn’t control himself and just wanted to see how much he could push the CGI boundaries. Ah…what they could’ve been.

          • Mbraze

            Have you read any of the J.W. Rinzler books? Some really interesting bits about his group of filmmaker buddies that made him rewrite the original again and again because they thought bits wouldn’t work. Sorely needed that group, instead of Rick “Yes Man” McCallum, so I totally agree that the PT would’ve been better if he’d had someone turn to him and say “for the love of all things, don’t put fart jokes in here”

          • dogbite

            Scorsese may be one of the clear exceptions to this rule, imo

          • Faust

            Exactly. No one was there to be like, “hey…midichlorians are
            a pretty stupid idea, yo, and why does Darth Vader keep saying ‘yippie’ all the time?” or “dude, are you SURE you want Boba Fett to be a bratty little backseat driver?”

      • JediJones

        But what was also said about AOTC and ROTS was that they were incredibly merchandiseable and ROTS inparticular created incredibly strong toy sales.

        • At the end of the day, isn’t that what it’s all about? The toys, the merchandise, making money, keeping the shareholders happy. That’s the real agenda.

          Oh, and the ROTS toys were terrific. Doesn’t surprise me they did so well. Distribution was strong and the selection was great.

      • bobcat

        nothing will ever be like the OT. i think everyone realizes that even when they get upset about the new movies. i think Paul was ahead of the curve about TFA. Once i saw Rogue One the veil was lifted and i got out of my FA slumber. lol

        • JediJones

          I called Rey a Mary Sue before Max Landis did, so I want credit for being ahead of the curve too.

  • Hazzbro Jonez

    diversity = money lol. at least they’re subtle

    • rebelsfangirl

      Yes? It’s almost like they are corporations that are legally obliged to try and make as much money as they can, and by getting as many people as possible enthusiastic about their product they can increase the market for said product…

      • JediJones

        So is it okay for black or Hispanic people to not be interested in films with white people in them? Is that the expected, ideal and desirable behavior? In which case it’s also okay for white people to refuse to see movies starring black people? How was Japan the #2 country for Beauty and the Beast when it had no Asian characters?

      • Hazzbro Jonez

        yea i know all that i thought the summary of the article was that some higher-up at hasbro or disney said something along the lines of “diversity makes more money” which is shallow reasoning for being inclusive, as in “we are ONLY being diverse because it makes MORE MONEY” i was being sarcastic as the response wasn’t very subtle at all if was what was said

      • JediJones

        Then why did Disney/Marvel fire Patty Jenkins from Thor 2 when she wanted to have a bigger part for Jane Foster in the movie? Wouldn’t that have made them more money than the Thor 2 we got?

  • Ulek Calus

    “The best-performing film out of all those evaluated was Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which had a roughly 40% diverse cast and a 38% diverse audience.” I don’t know why I get so frustrated when people use the word “diverse” to mean non-white or non-white male. “Diverse” means representing multiple demographics, including white or white male, so I don’t know how they came to these percentages. Technically, the audience and the movie were both 100% diverse.

    • Identity politics is crippling…. and way too many people cling onto it like grim death. When they (in addition to we all) start looking for similarities in each other is when identity politics won’t ever feel important again.

      • Zarco Rey

        Hey, that’s Star Trek talk. This is a Star Wars forum!

    • Zarco Rey

      And no new lead alien character. SNOKE DON’T COUNT. Chewbacca is trapped in a homo sapiens and droids only club.

  • Andrew

    Wherever there is a push for diversity there will always be a vocal group complaining that you’re not being diverse “enough.” The Force Awakens and Rogue One were good steps forward for more diverse faces in Star Wars, even if they didn’t include a representation of every minority group. Diversity and change is good for any franchise’s long-term health, even if we’re just making baby steps. Honestly, it’s healthy for the film franchise to kick off the new era with a force-sensitive female instead of relegating female Jedi to secondary characters in the prequels or only represented in video games, books and cartoons outside of the film canon.

    Honestly, I think some folks are just entangling their distaste for the storyline and other aspects of TFA with Disney’s push for a more diverse Star Wars cast. Casting a female lead didn’t cause the plot to just be a rehash of A New Hope, or design a lead villain as an emotional teenager. The diverse cast of Rogue One didn’t prompt Vader’s “dad joke” dialogue or devise a plot that didn’t allow you to get to know any of the characters.

    • No, you’re correct on so many levels. But the agenda is what I have a problem with because a political thing should never infiltrate art.

      • Zarco Rey

        Art can be very political (especially Garfunkel), but an artist’s vision shouldn’t be comprised for political reasons.

        • Hazzbro Jonez

          but what if the artist is making a political statement > is that not allowed?

          • Zarco Rey

            They would/should be making their own statement, and not be forced or intimidated or pressured into doing what someone else wants.

      • Andrew

        Well, a significant portion of art is expressly created for “political” reasons. Pablo Picasso has a few good examples that also have merit based purely on their aesthetics. But, that aside, Star Wars is purely a business franchise to Disney, so I’m not sure we can really expect art to trump many business decisions here, even with our beloved franchise. Disney is fully onboard with Star Wars being considered “art,” and no doubt the countless people working on the films do as well, but at the end of the day it’s still just a $4 billion+ investment and not just George’s pet project anymore.

        Our only hope is that such a “diversity agenda” doesn’t interfere with the story (or “art,” as you put it), and I’m not sure we’ve really hit that point. Swapping actress Daisy Ridley with “male Luke 2.0” wouldn’t have rescued TFA from some of its foibles, and Gwendoline Christie wasn’t the reason Phasma started off as such a lackluster character. Countless popular film franchises have social agendas driving them, including Star Wars before Disney took over (look back at Star Wars’ message about government, the military, religion, etc.)

      • Mike_5555

        I don’t think art can ever truly be apolitical. The original Star Wars is political in the way that Lucas has openly discussed the influence that Nazi Germany and the Vietnam War had on the creation of the world and themes explored in the film. Politics shouldn’t compromise art, but it’s nearly impossible to separate them entirely. The question becomes is having a more “diverse” cast a political agenda in and of itself. Forced diveristy and diversity for diversity’s sake is an over-correction and its own problem. Looking at TFA and RO independently of the marketing and talk surrounding them, I don’t think the diversity of the cast was “pushed down our throats” or made a political statement within the films themselves. Some people and even Disney may have turned them into political statements though. The fact that Finn and Chirrut were played by African American and Chinese actors respectively wasn’t commented on in the film and it didn’t really change how they were portrayed or where their story went. With regards to Rey, people winthin in the film aren’t screaming girl power and constantly reminding the audience that she is a women. Her character was poorly written, nearly infallible, and her character development was ridiculously sped up and unearned but I think that is a larger issue with writing in blockbuster films than it being done to make the female character look better than the male characters. That kind of writing can be seen in plenty of blockbuster films with male leads. To me, the agenda in these films is more clearly making as much money as possible. Which as this article points out is probably the reason behind the push for diversity rather than a political motivation. Money driving filmmaking instead of art and passion is another issue entirely though.

        • That’s histical influence, not gender politics.

          • rebelsfangirl

            What gender politics? If including a couple of female protagonists is gender politics, then so is including male characters, so we are back to art always being political.

          • I can answer it by example the best. George Lucas didn’t make Star Wars like this: “I need a white male lead, a female white lead, a white background male…. etc.” He had a story to tell. Disney had an agenda to tell.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            What is the ‘agenda’? Exactly? What are it’s goals and precepts?

          • rebelsfangirl

            So? The casting decisions they made still didn’t exist in a vaccuum and the film was overwhelmingly white. If making an effort to have a diverse cast is an agenda, so is not making an effort.

          • Mike_5555

            That’s true, but it’s just an example of the way politics (not necessarily gender politics) helped shape the Star Wars we know and love. It’s historical influence and history is decidedly political. The fascism of Nazi Germany and the various political viewpoints surrounding the Vietnam War were just examples of influences. Did you read the rest of my comment though?

        • JediJones

          That kind of writing is most certainly NOT seen in other films, with male or female leads. We have almost never seen a movie character come out of nowhere, with no known skills or experience, and INSTANTLY become better at everything than every other character, and also become beloved or desired by those same characters, in any kind of major motion picture.

          • dogbite

            You mean outside of Luke Skywalker & lil orphan Ani, of course.

          • Faust

            Until the new Trilogy is completed and Rey’s history has been uncovered, I remain unconvinced that she all of the sudden, instantly becomes a better Force wielder than Kylo Ren. I still have a suspicion that she was trained as a child before being abandoned on Jakku. Remember: Luke had next to no training and was able to use the Force to blow up the Death Star, and Anakin was unknowingly using the Force to pilot Pod Racers.

      • CT-7567

        Exactly. I like Daisy Ridley and I think Rey could have been an excellent main protagonist. The problem is that they made her invincible and I bet he reason for that is agenda-driven. RO worked better for me because the idea of an Imperial scientist’s daughter trying to find and save her father felt genuine to me. I never felt like the character of Jyn as a female was forced. In fact, had Galen’s child been a boy it might’ve been too reminiscent of the VaderLuke dynamic. Therefore the story called for a strong female lead and it worked well. Cassian being of Latin descent was actually refreshing because we’ve heard people speak with a British accent many times in SW so it just makes sense that there would be humans in the GFFA of Latin heritage that speak with an accent. I did read online that SW isn’t nearly as popular in China as in the West so Baze and Chirrut were an attempt to appeal to that audience. I hope that isn’t the case. I’d like to believe they were cast because both actors are talented and we got two excellent characters to add to the SW legend. In short, I agree with you and Andrew. Diversity is fine as long as it isn’t agenda driven.

      • Nick Dickens

        All art is political.

        • Jimmy Griffin

          What about that picture of the dogs playing poker? : )

          • Nick Dickens

            All art is created by someone, they’re trying to express something so of course it’s going to be ‘political’ and ideological’ it’s not about saying ‘believe this, or believe in that’ or ‘vote this way’ it’s about someone showing you what they think, what they’re interested in, who they are, so it’s a big political thing when you look at it… from a certain point of view. πŸ˜‰

  • bmales01

    I wonder if the Empress will have her own KRG? Those would sell like hotcakes

    • Zarco Rey

      When was the last time anyone here bought hotcakes? I mean like real hotcakes, not like frozen waffles.

      • I wanted to get some at Whataburger for breakfast this morning, but bean & cheese tacos from elsewhere won out because of convenience.

    • rebelsfangirl

      I would buy the heck out of an Empress Kennedy & KRG TBS6″ 3-pack.

  • It’s being shoved in our faces though, like when you that poster in Stake N Shake. They carefully sprinkled ethnicites through out in particular areas.

    You know what kind of diversity I want in a Star Wars movie?

    SOME LEAD ALIENS!

    And no recyling Chewie doesn’t count.

    • Long Snoot

      Yeah, that’s also one of the few issues I have with Rogue One. It’s a shame that the most advertised aliens in it (the space monkey, the guy that screams and the “minigun wampa”, I do not remember the names right now) ended up having minor roles. I think that the reshoots have some fault in this, since the last one was originally supposed to be in Scarif but was cut.

  • JediJones

    Beauty and the Beast was the biggest moneymaker of the year so far and all its main and supporting characters were white. I highly doubt it made an extra dollar because a few of the castle staff who spend 99% of the movie as household objects were changed to black from the cartoon version.

    Wonder Woman was also a big moneymaker and everyone but the most minor characters were white.

    • I don’t want to misquote your thoughts, but I don’t believe all-white is the answer either. My issue is diversity as a replacement for the white male. (Intentionally done, not because a lead character of different ancestry has story relevance.)

      • JediJones

        I don’t think that’s the answer. I use these as examples of how you can get great box office without ethnic diversity. Yes, these had gender diversity with female leads, which I wouldn’t even call diversity, or anything new, because every movie we grew up with had leading female characters, even if they weren’t the #1 star character of the movie.

        Beauty and the Beast was incredibly popular in Japan, which was its #1 grossing country outside of the U.S., and it didn’t have one Asian character. In fact, few other countries are as race-obsessed as the U.S. At least our media and politicians are race-obsessed and dominate the discussion. The average citizen doesn’t give a thought to what race the character in a movie is. We all know Eddie Murphy was a huge box office draw and Cosby a huge TV star in the 1980s.

      • rebelsfangirl

        Luke and Anakin were both white men. Rey is a white woman. It’s not exactly a seismic shift.

        • Aside from OT repeated characters, I could barely find any white males in TFA, LOL. Please correct me if I am wrong. You’ve seen the film infinitely more times than I have I’m sure. πŸ™‚ (Speaking parts/center of shot non-speaking).

          • rebelsfangirl

            Kylo Ren, General Hux, Lor San Tekka, that Resistance pilot, Han Solo, lots of background characters. It was quite a diverse movie, but white men were hardly absent from the action or badly represented. Especially since white men are a minority. πŸ˜‰

          • JediJones

            So at least we got to play the psychos and Nazi types. I see.

  • ExarKun777

    Of course it is basically for money! Why else would it be? Do you think they are really interested to help those poor “misrepresented” minorities (whatever they may be). I think this is just a combination to increase their earnings and to avoid the criticism in twitter from a minority of crazies that wrongly seem to represent the opinion of the whole world.

  • Jaken Wraith

    The only time i ever had an issue with anything like this was when the Soprano’s made Vito Spatafore Gay. I have Gay friend’s, and even my older Daughter seem’s to be going that way and i am fine with it. But when the Soprano’s did that it was for no other reason but it was “trendy” at the moment. But as far as Star Wars goes, as long as the Character is written well, and interesting, i could care less what Race/Color/Species they are.

    • Jaken Wraith

      And also right now White Kids under 5 are the Minority Group, and in 4 year’s out of all Kids under 18, White Kids will be the Minority Group. In a few year’s when we say “minority”, it won’t be a label for those with that label now. And any Company that embraces diversity now, will reap reward’s for it when the Minority Group’s of today, are the Majority of tomorrow.

  • Mr_Crankypants

    Yep. Avengers, Star Wars, and Star Trek films made more money not because they are already massive pop culture phenomenons with existing, rabid fanbases that cross socio-economic, ethnic, and linguistic groups, but because “diversity”. I mean, do we really need another refresher in ‘coincidence =/= causality”?

    • rebelsfangirl

      You just said they made money not because they were diverse, but because they were diverse, lol. Also if it followed that their popularity would guarantee movie success, comic book movies woudln’t have been a by-word for terrible until Blade and the Nolan trilogy showed people they could be done well.

      • JediJones

        No, he didn’t say that. He said the fan-bases are diverse. The characters aren’t. Avengers was all white characters besides Nick Fury.

        You are unbelievably wrong on your comic book movie history. Superman was a huge hit with critics and the public in 1978 and the series stayed strong through 1983. Then in 1989, Batman crushed it again with massive box office, and continued making big money through Batman Forever in 1995. Blade came out in 1998. X-Men in 2000. Spider-Man in 2002. It’s very hard to find any superhero comic book movies that were failures other than 3 or 4 sequels into a hit series or the odd flop in the time period after Batman Begins.

  • shane

    Diversity isn’t and never has been a problem to me. But shoehorning political agendas at the expense of creating a great story just to be politically correct is insulting to basic artistic intelligence.

  • JediJones

    This article completely overlooks the fact that diversity does NOT help sell toy lines, which are extremely gender-segregated and largely sell in proportion to the ethnicity of the population that buys them. Star Wars as a franchise has always made MOST of its money from “moichandising.” Collecting Star Wars is why sites like this exist. So an additional question should be should Star Wars be designed solely to be successful as a movie or should the movie be designed to support a toy and merchandise line?

    There are lots of great movies that could never support a toy line (remember the SNL Philadelphia action figures sketch?). Clearly, George Lucas designed the movies from the beginning to inspire merchandising (R2 cookie jars and Chewie mugs, etc.). And his desire to use the movies as promotion for merchandise only went further with the Ewoks and clones. One thing Disney and Queen Kennedy truly seem to have overlooked is how to make the movies as merchandiseable as possible. While the mainstream media would call that pure commercialism and not art, we as collectors know the joy and artistic value in great merchandise.

    • ExarKun777

      Look at this nice towel they were selling in Celebration VI, before the dark times, before the nonsense emergence of complaints in twiter: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/681e506d2dbba507ff4b8156fdfcb28255cfe039e0b7b5cbd25f24fcc0e7f6f5.jpg

      • I think it’s kind of tacky honestly.

        • ExarKun777

          I like it, maybe it needs more color, but I understand if someone else does not like it and does not buy it.

      • JediJones

        Are you selling it? 😯

        • ExarKun777

          I missed to buy one in that Celebration. Curious thing is in that time the Celebration store was almost empty of people every day.

          • JediJones

            If I had that towel I’d never leave my bathroom.

      • JasonBL

        1980’s Nagel Style…I like it…

    • Seronious

      Reminds me of the prequel era, when the Phantom Menace had many “boring senators” made into action figures. To this day, that lineup was terrible.

  • JACKOFTRADZE

    We live in age where everything is political. It’s sickening, there is no escapism anymore.

  • Drakk_Mallor

    So now instead of labeling directors or producers whose films feature diverse casts ‘politically correct sellouts’, the hard and soft right gets to complain about them being artistically shallow for wanting to cash in on the diversity dollar? Alien, which featured Sigourney Weaver as a pretty tough female protagonist, didn’t inspire a lot of debate over Ridley Scott selling out to feminists. Star Trek featured a cast of different races and ages and sexes all working together in some sci fi utopia over 50 years ago. Kirk kissed Uhura onscreen at a time when biracial couples were driven out of some towns. I think the debate over diversity is a cheap way to pretend there’s no problem with racism or sexism in America, up to and including claiming that there’s never BEEN any problems with racism or sexism in America. Guess what Amerika, there are non-white, and non-male characters in your movies now. Get used to it.

    • Oh boy. Here we go. Simplifying the opposite opinion as sexist and racist is not helpful. You’ve completely shutdown your argument. There is no discussion to be had here. Sigourney Weaver’s Ripley character is one of my favorite onscreen heroes of all time. She was part of a (GASP!) mixed crew which included a black male and an English male. (I grew up with a ton of black friends in my neighbohood/schools so white English males were always more of a minority status/foreign thing to me). She was smart. She was sexy. She was tough. She beat all odds despite MANY trials in the film. She was written for that role. She’s not a success because some Social Justice Warrior said “Hey, we need this new Alien film to have a female lead.” My mind is blown that people can’t see this difference.

      • Drakk_Mallor

        Because only PC wimps would inject politics of any sort into stories
        about alien freedom fighters going up against archetypal tyrants in a
        galactic civil war. No room for politics there. None at all! Someone
        get the politics broom and sweep out all these pesky durn politics that
        keep on ruinin’ mah star warz!

        • Drakk_Mallor

          What’s a social justice warrior? πŸ˜€

          • Did you see the terrorists and Berkeley College burning buildings, throwing bricks at conservatives and smashing windows because they didn’t want Milo Y. speaking at their campus? They are SJWs.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            I thought SJW’s were people who sat on their butts on the internet and didn’t take action in real life.

          • Except for when they do the above….

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Things get ugly when the nutcases on either side go out to play. Dylan Roof, etc. Sad but not much anyone can do. The world is a dangerous place. People who stand on soap boxes trying to foment hatred from the other side, trying with every ounce of will to trick the other side into throwing a rock or hitting them in the face, ought to not be too surprised when once in a while they do.

          • JediJones

            Dylan Roof is a freak, lone wolf. There are not mobs of Dylan Roofs on college campuses stopping people from speaking.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            It’s funny, Milo the Pedo wants to spew hatred all day and night and his first amendment rights are sacred. Stephen Colbert makes a censored joke on TV about Trump and everyone on the right immediately demands he be yanked off the air.

          • JediJones

            Conservatives never even thought about boycotting to get someone off the air until the left started doing it to Fox hosts this year. Eventually, we’re going to fight fire with fire instead of taking the non-stop abuse. Wars start because one side refuses to respect the rules of a civil and free society until the other side has no choice but to start doing the same thing in self-defense. We now have the left gunning down Republicans in public parks. The left should not be surprised at whatever comes at them next.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Don’t worry, the Left has never been surprised at anything that comes at us. We’re a tad dismayed, perhaps, but we’re quite happy to expect the worst. πŸ™‚

          • OfWolfandMan

            A tad dismayed? Matthews had a tinge go up his leg (creepy and weird). This last election every news outlet was befuddled, lost, confused, some were crying, disturbed, heartbroken, defeated, utterly distraught. They should get a hobby. Oh wait. We’re here for a hobby and you are just angry and aggressive. And seemingly militant bordering on hostile.

          • Hazzbro Jonez

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          • Drakk_Mallor

            No, Right Wing people boycott things like Starbucks (for trying ‘destroy christmas!’) or Target (for ‘not supporting the president’s daughters line of trashy clothes!’) or Rainbow Doritos (for ‘promoting the gay agenda!’) or McDonalds (for having a billboard partially in “Spanish?! This is America!!” or anything else that expresses sympathy with people the right wings find to be socially undesirable, ever. Oh yeah, and this from this newspaper The Independent: β€œTrump’s supporters have launched a scathing attack” on Fox News anchor
            Shep Smith after he blasted Trump for his β€œtreatment of reporters and
            his refusal to answer questions” regarding Russia during his first solo
            press conference since his inauguration.

          • The right people I watch on TV do not believe this. They believe in free speech. Whats good for the goose is good fro the gander. The right just has better taste in their free speech.

          • OfWolfandMan

            Killing the President every night in a shakespeare play is art, correct? Holding the President’s severed head is comedy, correct? Snoop Dogg video shooting the President in the head is art, correct? Also colbert said a lot more than one silly joke. It goes on and on.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Yes. It’s hilarious that you can’t understand this. William Shakespeare wrote a play in the late 1500s and people have been using it as commentary on current politics ever since. What Kathy Griffin and Snoop Dogg did probably aren’t in the best of taste, but considering they’re making fun of a man who once admitted to owning and using a gold plated toilet seat, elected by people who cheer whenever a member of a different ethnicity is shot, the simple fact is that good taste and Trump will never belong in the same room. Sorry, the constitution wasn’t written just to protect the Right Wing. If you’d like to ban Shakespeare plays. There’s this Rep on you guys’ side named Gerald Allen, from Alabama. He knows all about getting books banned. Call him up and get a bill going πŸ™‚

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Yes, Colbert said a lot more than a silly joke. He said a silly joke that hiLARIOUS!!! πŸ˜€

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Also, how many people died during these epic, nightmarish Berkeley riots? Was it mostly just property damage? So a leftist is a terrorist when they break a window and need to be hunted down like a dog, but when a right wing white supremacist commits what is indisputably an act of terrorism, they’re just ‘a lone nut’?

          • JediJones

            So every crime can be excused as no big deal except murder? You want to live in neighborhood where it’s open season for all crimes, except murder? Dylan Roof was a white supremacist and his views had absolutely nothing to do with “the right” or the views of any elected politician in this country. By contrast, James Hodgkinson was a pure left-wing Democrat in every one of his beliefs and positions, a true believer in Bernie Sanders’ positions through and through, and those beliefs inspired him to kill Republicans.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Left wing people have been beaten to death, shot, crucified and generally ran out of the neighborhood in cities and towns all across America since the rise of the American left during the second industrial revolution. Workers striking against unsafe conditions in Andrew Carnegie’s steel plant (where they were regularly burned to death or horribly disfigured) were shot by a gang of Pinkerton regulators hired by the Carnegie’s vice president. No one went to jail for killing them and anyone who called it out as an injustice was called a pinko commie. Now you call us libtard cucks. We have different brain chemistry, sir! Lefties see issues of political risk as problems to be solved. Right wing types see issues of political risk as nightmares to be feared. This has been proven with science! Oh wait, I’m sorry, science is all a lie perpetrated by the libtard white-hating cucks and SJWs, right?

          • JediJones

            We may have different brain chemistry but that doesn’t mean it’s genetic. Lefties operate on emotionalism and what makes them feel good while conservatives operate on logic and what gets measurably good results. You never see lefties stop trying to implement failed ideas because, while they don’t get good results, the intentions are obviously good, so they can all feel good about the failures.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Literally every single sentence in this post of yours could be turned around to make the exact same point about the Right, with much more specific examples of genocide, repression, cruelty and obstinacy. You’ve basically said nothing at all. The Right Wing decided on trickle down economics, de-regulation of public and private industry. This has led to economic depression and industry wide meltdowns on the national and even global level. The Right institutes ‘no-nonsense’ policies on drugs, law and order, that lead to drug related crimes exploding. The Right decides that certain diseases, seeing as they only seem to affect certain undesirable communities, are diseases not worth studying and this leads to epidemics that are nothing short of genocidal in their arrogance. Shame on you, Sir. Shame.

          • JediJones

            That’s a whole lot of nonsense. Trickle-down economics led to an economic boom that lasted essentially decades as well as massive innovation we all benefit from today. It was liberals using the socialist Fannie and Freddie enterprises to prop up bad mortgages that led to the housing crisis and the current downturn. Drug abuse has exploded because of lenient policies, not tough policies. Check the stats on drug use in the Philippines now. They’re fighting it hard and winning. The idea that Republicans had anything to do with genocide or AIDS spreading is just the kind of total, made-up nonsense that leads to people shooting up Republicans in the street.

          • … I don’t want to comment in your country politics, but are you defending the extra judicial killings that are happening in the Philippines? Would you want that applied to your country?

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Because there certainly aren’t, dare I say, any white supremacist organizations in the US operating on an underground level who have decided to make Dylan Roof into some sort of martyr hero. Oh wait, there are, aren’t there? But he was just a lone nut? You’re sure he wasn’t an indoctrinated, fanaticized, full on terrorist?

          • JediJones

            Whoever supports him is a tiny, fringe group that has nothing in common with any elected officials or politicians in this country. His name has no relevance being brought up in any political discussion. There’s also that fringe church that protests at the funerals of U.S. soldiers. They are in the same camp with him, fringe characters with no mainstream or measurable support.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            no mainstream or measurable support is a gross generalization, sir.

          • Exactly.

          • John Titus

            Okay liberal.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Reporting for duty, Sir!! πŸ˜€

          • David Harrison

            I’d get violent if Milo Y tried to speak anywhere near me. He’s a repugnant pedophile enabler.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Ohh look out everybody! Lefty terrorist! ;D

          • I disagree. But no matter how much you find someone repugnant, violence is never the answer/ You can justify those people’s actions? I don’t know how that’s possible.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            THOUGHTS OF AN ITALIAN IN THE 1930S: Hey, look over there, some Italian fella is speechifying about how immigrants and jewish people are a big problem. Homosexuals, too. Calling himself “Il Duce” and offering these repugnant, genocidal views we all find disgraceful. Oh well, he’ll probably dig his own grave. Violence against him would be wrong….oh wait, he’s now in power! Wow, did we miss something? Huh. Nothing to do but go along with it. One has to keep a level head. Violence is not the answer. We’ve learned that lesson from our history time and time again…

            SOME YEARS LATER, the same Italian:
            Wow, at least the Germans can console themselves that they were led astray by a madman…we were led astray by a buffoon.

          • I don’t understand this.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            I’m comparing Milo to Mussolini and how Mussolini’s extremist views were tolerated right into them becoming the law of the land. These things happen, it seems.

      • ExarKun777

        This: “She was smart. She was sexy. She was tough. She beat all odds despite MANY trials in the film”.

      • Drakk_Mallor

        Actually the Ripley character was written for a male but just arbitrarily switched to female for no good reason from what I’ve heard.

        • Well, it worked. And for the better in my opinion. I believe it also prompted the audience back then to believe she as “dead”. No one would have thought her to be the sole survivor. But my dad and I did. From the moment she wanted to keep Kane quarantined we knew she was one of the sharpest tools in that shed.

        • Travis

          This is NOT true, Ridley Scott’s Alien is very obviously written as a pro feminist film and would not work had there not been a female lead who emerges as the sole survivor of the film. The alien rapes and impregnates her male allies, a man surviving at the end and it would lose a lot of potency in its commentary

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Ridley Scott and Dan O Bannon and Walter Hill have all said, at many times, that Ripley was originally written as a male character and cast with a female on a whim.

    • EDIT: I may have misunderstood your post – see my response. But I re-read and I don’t understand your position.

      • Drakk_Mallor

        I think the ‘diversity debate’ is a kinda pointless non-issue that’s only brought up to sort of stir up a pointless hornets nest. I don’t see any point in being miffed, even slightly, over a female lead in a sci fi movie, given our (mine, yours, lots of other peoples’) love of Ripley and other great sci fi female leads. I think ‘debating’ the issue of racial diversity in a film that has a large ensemble cast is less than pointless. It doesn’t make sense to claim to resent a character being a certain ethnicity and then claim it has nothing to do with racism on some level. It just doesn’t make sense. This debate isn’t over because it can never be over because there shouldn’t have to even be a debate about this, yet it persists.

        • JediJones

          Then, by your logic, it doesn’t make sense to change a movie series’ lead character from male to female or white to something else unless it has something to do with sexism or racism. The minute someone says, I’d rather this lead character be white or black, they are expressing a racial bias, whether they are the filmmaker or in the audience.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Yep. There was no point in changing Stephen King’s The Gunslinger to being played by a black dude. Idriss Elba is a fantastic actor, but (Spoiler Alert!) the character was clearly modeled on Stephen King’s notion of his father who he never met, as Roland Deschain, when he ‘meets’ SK in one of the books, realizes that he looks as if he could be SK’s father. This made the characters ethnicity somewhat integral to their persona and origin in their creators imagination and therefore, changing that ethnicity, while not deplorable in and of itself, was a bit of a dodge. Alas.

          • JediJones

            If it happens naturally and they screen every race of actor for the part and pick the one that’s best, then at least that’s a different story than deciding in advance this character’s race has to change from what it was before and we will only read with that race of actors.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Are there any examples of that ever happening? Did that happen during the Gunslinger casting? This seems as if you could just be being argumentative, Sir.

          • JediJones

            I think Nick Fury and Kingpin were certainly changed in their movies based on looking for the right actor in most aspects even if not in race.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Well, no problem from me, then. All the better. Yay!

    • JediJones

      Yeah, we’ve been so racist for so long that Eddie Murphy and Bill Cosby managed to be just about the top two stars of the 1980s, even while blacks remained at a steady 10-12% of the population.

      • Drakk_Mallor

        Were the producers of Bill Cosby’s and Eddie Murphy’s work being hounded for being SJWs or communist shills for promoting ethnic comedians?

        • JediJones

          No, and they weren’t tweeting and giving speeches about how much they were trying to promote diversity. Eddie and Bill’s careers lived and died by their own talent and never claimed they had any social or political goal driving them.

        • John Titus

          The created their own material. Let’s make an all male Charlie Angels and see how it flys.

          • JediJones

            Charlize’s Angels? Who are the angels, the Rock, Vin Diesel and Bautista?

    • JediJones

      The real problem with TFA and gender politics was that gender politics inspired an extremely bland characterization of Rey. The filmmakers were so super-concerned about showing a “strong woman” that they made her so strong that she was boring and unrelatable, a Mary Sue of the highest order.

      See Wonder Woman for a contrast. Those filmmakers excelled at making Wonder Woman a relatable character. They made every single other character in the movie challenge every decision she made rather than instantly submit and acquiesce to her. They allowed her to show self-doubt at many moments in the movie. They showed her making mistakes with her powers and learning along the way.

      Look at any interview with the director Patty Jenkins and she will say telling a great story about a great character was always her goal, not living up to any political agenda. With TFA, what we may have suffered from was “cuck” men terrified of being called sexist so overdoing how “girl power awesome” Rey would be. Patty Jenkins, as a woman, likely had no innate fears about being called sexist and was able to make Wonder Woman a much more well-rounded character. The main lesson is that no one should ever be afraid of being called sexist or racist when they know they’re not. Unnecessary fear should be purged from our psyche.

      • Long Snoot

        I agree. It’s incorrect to think that the criticism about Rey is a direct consequence to the fact that “for once Star Wars has a female lead character”, there’s probably a reason if there were no such complaints for Jyn Erso after Rogue One came out.

      • Drakk_Mallor

        Definition time. “Mary Sue”: mair-EE Su,(noun). A female character who does everything right in a fictional, fantastic version of reality. Examples, Rey, many others.

        “Hero”: here-O (noun). A male character that does everything right in a fictional, fantastic version of reality. Examples, Luke Skywalker, Harry Potter, Frodo Baggins (in the books), Batman, Superman, Spider Man…many many many many others….

        • JediJones

          The idea that Rey has ANY parity to Luke in this regard is utterly and completely absurd and has been thoroughly debunked.

          Google this article for one such explanation:
          If Luke was Rey (a.k.a. The Star Wars: A New Hope β€œMary Sue” Rewrite)

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Yea, Rey didn’t whine and snivel quite as much as Luke.

          • John Titus

            Rey was just like “look what I can do”. I’m a master with a lightsaber 2 days after getting it. Oh look, I can use force mind control and all I had to do is think about it. Oh look, I’m an expert pilot who can fly things I’ve never flown before so much that I correct the old whitey male dumb dumb Han Solo how to run his ship.

            Hard to snivel when everything happens so easily because of girl power.

          • Long Snoot

            About the force skills, I think that there’s something about her past that might be able to explain that. I agree about the “expert pilot” part.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            There had been “an Awakening” which, imho, ought to be something like everyone in the galaxy has like slight force ability. That way the millennia of wars between the Jedi and Sith or whoever is the current avatars of good vs evil, are no longer able to own the Force as their exclusive domain. Kinda like how Buffy (SPOILER ALERT!!) made all the potentials into full on slayers at the end of BTVS. Or when Peter Parker retired from being a superhero in Marvel’s “Earth X” series, when everyone on the planet had superpowers. Because like, in a world made up entirely of people about as powerful or more powerful than Spider-Man, being Spider-Man is not great power, and therefore not a great responsibility.

          • JediJones

            No matter how they explain it away, it won’t change the fact that we can’t relate to Rey for most of this movie because her mindset and persona is simply not explained. And her unrelatability goes well beyond just that and her Jedi powers. From what I’ve read, Abrams and Kasdan handed Johnson approximately zip to explain what was seen in TFA. Considering they had been chronically late to deliver the story for TFA and delayed the movie 6 months, and were still changing things at the last minute, it stands to reason they have no idea how to explain what we saw in TFA. Johnson will hopefully fix it retroactively but it won’t make TFA more involving, not to mention all that exposition will drag his movie’s momentum down.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Well, then maybe they should get most of the blame instead of that leftist, libtard SJW Emperor Kennedy!

          • JediJones

            Plenty of blame to go around. Kennedy lost credibility with the firing of Lord and Miller. I certainly can’t imagine her firing a female director.

        • Long Snoot

          I couldn’t find that definition for “hero” anywhere even after googling it directly, and I only found other ones that I personally consider more realistic like:
          “A person who is admired for their courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.”
          I personally disagree with the fact that Luke Skywalker “does everything right” since the only “over-human” skills he proven to have in ANH are the flight ones as they gave him the chance to destroy the supeweapon. During the movie he mentions several times taking part in T-16 Skyhopper races in Beggar’s canyon and shooting small Womp rats as a teen.
          If anyone is curious, the “explaination” for Rey’s instant starship piloting skills inside the Star Destroyers is simply that her junk-speeder could make small airspeeder-like flights when lightly loaded. How she was able to use a starship with totally different and obviously a lot more complex commands for the first time ever in that way is currently unkown.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Why is it when Luke does unrealistic stuff it’s high art and great drama that can be accepted as with childish glee and wonderment, but if a girl does it it’s obvious crap that needs to be analyzed with crime forensics?

          • Long Snoot

            As I said, the only example of “unrealisitc stuff” that Luke does in ANH I can think about is explained by years of training in deadly (Luke almost lost his life and destroyed his Skyhopper as he mentions in the movie) canyon races, while you can probably agree that Rey’s explaination is not as good.
            Believe it or not, but I would have disliked her character even if she was a male.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Nonetheless, this constant harping on identity politics makes what ought to be a basic debate about a badly written movie into a full on political feud over what is and isn’t allowed to be portrayed on screen by people with this set of chromosomes or that. I would like it if people (not specifically you!) would stop whining about Rey being a “crappy female character that was forced on me because Emperor Kennedy is a lefty libtard” and just say, “Wow, Rey wasn’t that great. Could have maybe done better there, Abrams and Kasdan. Who wrote the movie.” Why are Abrams and Kasdan not given any politically charged hatred? Only “Emperor Kennedy”?

          • Long Snoot

            Can’t argue with that.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Thanks! Also, Garindan was awesome. Cool avie pic πŸ™‚

          • JediJones

            The movie’s quality was the result of a toxic mix of Kennedy’s social justice agenda, Abrams’ chronic plagiarism, and Kasdan’s desire to revive all of his bad ideas for Star Wars that Lucas rejected in the 1980s.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            What exactly is her ‘Agenda’? What are the precepts and and goals of this ‘agenda’?

          • JediJones

            To make characters into role models of perfection for non-white males.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            What is the opposite of this? What are role models of perfection for white males?

          • JediJones

            The opposite might be making characters which are not so generically good and perfect. Finn could’ve been more like Han, flirting with the dark side of Stormtrooper life or identifying with the First Order in some ways. Rey obviously could not have been given countless scenes where she shows how superior she is to males in every way. Poe could’ve been given anything complex at all (obviously a casualty of the last-minute writing process there). And all of these heroes could have disagreed and bickered for almost the whole movie like they did in the OT. Purely evil villains and complex heroes are a much better combo than complex villains and purely good heroes.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Man, any attempt to write a “Star Wars Part 7” is going to, inevitably, no matter what, be bad. ROTJ wrapped the saga up in a pretty nice little bow. The Demonic Emperor Figure has been overthrown (quite literally!). The Cruel Ogre Father/God figure has been redeemed into the Loving Father. The Hero has learned from his trials and can claim secret wisdom with which to bring the Fire of the Jedi back into the Universe. The reason SW:E7, TFA was bad is because we DID NOT NEED AN EPISODE SEVEN! It is incapable of contributing anything, at all, of value to the previous story! Lucas has even said he combined everything he wanted to put in the final trilogy into ROTJ because he didn’t want to be making SW for the rest of his life at that time. Of course he had to cut the Conquering of Had Abbadon/Coruscant because that was unfilmable. So he remade ANH into ROTJ and called it a day. Rey is extraneous. Poe is extraneous. Finn is extraneous. Every line of dialogue in TFA is extraneous. Rogue One was just a sequel to the prequels, and it was better than Force Awakens! Give up all hope, dude. Star Wars is gone and it’s never coming back.

          • OfWolfandMan

            Star Wars is gone? No Han Solo? No episodes 8, 9? I check out JTA and I must’ve (= must have missed something).

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Did you even read what I wrote? Yes, it’s gone. These new movies they’re making are just garbage to cash in on the name. To trick us into shelling out for ‘the rest of the story’. The real story was over at the end of RoTJ. Force Awakens, Last Jedi and Jurassic Wars all might as well be big budget fan fiction.

            What is that, that “must’ve (=must have)”? What’s the point of using a conjunction and then writing out the two words immediately after? Just don’t use the conjunction. That’s the the grammatical equivalent of having long hair and eternally keeping it in a ponytail so you don’t have to deal with having long hair. As Yoda said, “Do, or do not.” Either use the conjunction or do not use the conjunction. Either have long hair or don’t have long hair.

          • OfWolfandMan

            Lol. Yes I read what you wrote. I really wish we could have a discussion in person, because in text you are coming across as very upset and angry. I agree with your first paragraph. I get it.
            The ”must’ve” = must have I do on a semi-regular basis (with several conjunctions; proper use of there/their/they’re; toy aisle vs. isle etc.). I just do that for a little fun because of all the grammatical errors. So if you haven’t been visiting JTA for a while you may have missed some those. Ha ha.
            I agree with the ponytail analogy totally. I tell my brother all the time. Anyway, have a laugh.

          • dogbite

            What’s the droid speech understanding explanation?

          • dogbite

            We don’t know that was her first time though. She was keen to pilot that quad jumper, & seemed to prefer it over the Falcon. That to me at least expresses some sort of familiarity with spacecraft.

            Also Luke is Anakin’s son. It’s perfectly reasonable he has an innate talent for flying, & it follows that the same goes for his granchildren. In fact, I expect it to be revealed that Ben is no slouch in the cockpit either.

          • Long Snoot

            As much as I remember, The Force Awakens Incredible Cross Sections specifically says that she only got her flight skills by using her junk-speeder as an airspeeder, but that obviously makes no sense since they are totally different crafts. Other than that, I don’t think she would have had any reason to fly a spaceship in the past considering how she didn’t want to leave Jakku even when chased by the First Order. About Ben, I’m pretty sure that Pablo Hidalgo confirmed that he’s a pretty good pilot some time ago, even if he normally lets other pilots manouver his “limo shuttle”.

          • Paul B

            But remember, Rey’s toy speeder had a hidden missile launcher under the hood ?

          • dogbite

            Hmm interesting points to consider, but I’ve been of the belief that there’s a whole lot about Rey they are not telling us.

            My best guess?

            She is the second child of Leia & Han Solo, kept secret from her father when he went AWOL (though I think Han had a hunch), & “sold” to Unkar Plutt as a scavenger/labourer…in truth continuing some training regimen started by her uncle Luke with Lor San Tekka (in a sort of Ben Kenobi fashion, if you will) when possible.

            I believe Luke, in searching for old secrets of the force, learned some grave truths & so did Ben alongside him. It’s out there, but I believe Supreme Leader Snoke is Darth Plagueis by his real name, ala Emperor Sheev Palpatine=Darth Sidious, & created Anakin as his perfect disciple, but was thwarted by his apprentice who then took 23 yrs to execute his master plan to gain control of both gov’t & this “Chosen One”…meaning Snoke views the Skywalkers as “his”. Perhaps sensing some disturbances upon gaining this information, Luke & Leia agreed to send Rey into exile as a secret super-weapon to prevent this happening wholesale again.

            Think about it, Luke absolutely recognizes her at the end of TFA, his face says it all. She tells BB-8 she is a big secret, highly classified. Kylo Ren mentions “Don’t be scared, I fee it too” during the mind probe. She has some sort of interaction with the Force specifically featuring Skywalkers. And most damning of all, why does she instantly know to hug Leia, a woman she’s never met on screen til that moment?

          • Long Snoot

            Snoke was confirmed to be a brand new character, and Rey has been left on Jakku by her dad (as proven by the flashback on Maz’s castle). Finally, I think that Luke’s face has a more special meaning, and it points at the lightsaber, not Rey.

          • dogbite

            Where is it said that she was left there by her dad?

            Also I think Lucasfilm is playing cards close to their chest on this one, Rey & Snoke are basically the biggest question marks from TFA, alongside Luke’s exile.

            It’s not to their benefit to come outright explaining such pivotal plot points in novels or comic books. I’ve always been of the belief that it’s ok for official films to step on the EU’s feet when necessary, but not the other way around, where writers & directors would be hamstringed because of tiny snippets of erroneous detail conjured up to pad out some tie-in.

          • Long Snoot

            My bad, I found out she was only confirmed to have been left here by her family, not her dad in particular.
            She couldn’t have been left here after Ben’s betrayal/Snoke’s introduction anyway, since during the novel Bloodlines Luke is still training her son Ben, and it takes place 6 years before TFA. Rey is 19 during TFA, so she should have been at least 13 at the time, while she is obviously younger (even the actress is 8).
            About Snoke, Pablo Hidalgo made it definitively clear on Twitter, he is a new character and Plagueis is dead.

          • dogbite

            I’m talking they sent her away pre betrayal. What if they all had the same “force back”? We don’t know where Maz got the thing (though I’m sure the books have that covered too ;P), what if Luke handled the saber, alongside Ben & then Rey?

            The interesting thing about all the force “visions” in each trilogy, is that you have Anakin with premonitions of future events (Shmi, Padme), Luke facing present circumstances (confronting Vader/himself) & Rey glimpsing into the past (annihilation of the “NJO”, etc).

            Maybe Luke saw this vision of the future when recovering the saber, preemptively exiled into hiding Rey, followed by Ben gaining the weapon, seeing the “present” that he must confront, Luke takes away the murder weapon beforehand so he resorts to some dodgy old piece he found on one of their padawan adventures & does his thing. Also explains the “That lightsaber belongs to me” line nicely.

            Maz knows Luke on a first name basis, so maybe he himself stored it there for Rey to find.

            Rey is waiting for her family: Leia, Han, Ben, Luke. Obviously they were not coming back in that fashion, so when Rey accepted that, in conjunction with the contents of the flashback, the Force…Awakened? I dunno. I feel like I’ve already potentially done more theorizing on the internet & trying to connect the dots than the writers themselves, so I’ll quit while I’m ahead πŸ˜›

            Edit: Forgot, as for Snoke, perhaps Plagueis is dead…from a certain point of view?

      • dogbite

        I saw TFA seven times in theatres. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched the Blu Ray. I cannot understand people’s problem with Rey. Sure, there’s a lot of mystery surrounding her character, but we see her do a lot & struggle to get things right throughout most of that time (Rathtar’s, Maz’s, Starkiller Base duel, etc.). If anyone is underdeveloped or “Mary-Sue”ish in TFA it is Poe Dameron, although to be fair from what I understand his role was expanded pretty late into the game.

        Also why are the prequels always exempt from these critiques? Did you harp on AotC/RotS when it was cool too?

  • rebelsfangirl

    It might come as a surprise to people, but Disney are obliged by law to make as much money as they can. The more people they can interest in their products, the more money they make.
    Broadening the appeal of products to a wider audience = more sales. Diversity is reality, the world IS diverse.

    • Agreed. Then make better films that don’t have this agenda so prominently displayed in the films. Tell me a great story/direct a wondrous film that wows me, irrespective of who is cast.

      • rebelsfangirl

        That’s impossible. All they did was cast talented actors from a variety of backgrounds to appeal to as broad an audience as possible. They cannot do that and “not display it prominently”, nor does calling it an agenda make it negative. Appealing to as many people as possible is an agenda, it’s hardly a bad one unless (and I’m not accusing you of this) you think those people don’t deserve to be represented on film.

        • I know this debate becomes cyclical after a while. It’s a perfect circle of contention. I don’t take issue with minority representation (lead or background). It’s the identity politics issue that I feel is destroying the franchise.

          • rebelsfangirl

            Why is it “identity politics” when non-white minorities and women (a majority both in the US and globally) are included, but not white men? White men are a minority, and an identity, so if TFA has identity politics in it, so must the OT. After all a conscious decision was made by Lucas to remove the female Rebel pilots from ANH, for example.

          • The OT had a diverse cast.

          • David Harrison

            Ha ha. Oh good grief. One woman and one black man (in a secondary role). And a lot of costumed dwarves. Yes mate, that’s diverse.

          • JediJones

            In what other movie series have you seen an obese woman get as half-naked as Yarna?

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Do you really want me to answer that?

          • rebelsfangirl

            Not even remotely true.

          • Paul B

            It was recently revealed that George Lucas almost cast Han Solo as black. But he changed his mind cause he thought it too shocking then.

          • Daniel Preece

            I’m not hearing anyone admit that Lucas created the OPPOSITE of what we call “diversity” today. Star Wars was UNIVERSAL, it was TRADITIONAL by 1970s standards. It was (mostly) white male cultural values and mythologies (with some influence by Asian samurai culture). Lucas made a determined effort to NOT include anything contemporary (1970s) or controversial. Lucas might be okay with the SJW stuff today but he clearly didn’t want any references to then-abnormal social values. And NONE of this was racist on his part. He was just making the most broadly appealing sci-fantasy movie he could.

          • General Hux

            For it’s time it was diverse.

          • Daniel Preece

            Not really.

        • David Harrison

          Sometimes it feels like I’ve wandered into the comments section of Return of Kings when I enter these debates.

          • That’s too far. That’s ridiculous.

          • David Harrison

            Sorry Paul I’m finished here. I’m guilty of being ‘triggered’ I admit it. I come to this site because of my life long love of Star Wars and Star Wars figure’s and every time I come on now I’m wading in to some political argument with a bunch of anonymous Internet commentators. Things have got politicised round here. I think the new Star Wars saga is wonderful and I love the direction it’s going (Han Solo movie excepted) – the most prominent voices on here are in strong disagreement. As a fan I need my chosen fan-site to feel like it’s composed of fans rather than people who hate it, otherwise – well what’s the point? If it’s not fun it’s time to check out.
            I probably have completely the wrong idea about some of the people on here. You can’t know someone through Disqus. But some of the attitudes I read here from JTAs major commentators are too close to comfort to some of the stuff I’ve seen on the abhorrent alt-right/mens rights/white genocide websites I’ve seen. I know you are a good man and as a Native American you’ve probably experienced similar abuse to what I have. Keep up the good work with your RDRs, they are the best resource of there kind out there and I look forward to reading more. I hope you get what you want with the return of TVC next year. Perhaps that’ll be the start of happier times. But till then, it’s over and out from this particular SJW πŸ™‚

          • David – I am sorry but this is absurd. I have defended you, stuck up for you and have tried my best to see your point of view, and this is the response I get? I see just as many liberal points of view as I do conservative here. I have to be honest. I do resent the linkage to alt right and white genocide. That’s offensive. You truly believe that the strong conservative opinions here remotely align with genocide? How can you even call yourself moderate with those unfounded accusations? That’s a terrible thing to accuse someone of here.

            We allow all points of view to post here. Many people disagree with them and I don’t call them names. You’re always welcome here and I want you to know I genuinely like you. I hope you can calm down and rethink your JTAexit. Cheers my friend.

          • Jimmy Griffin

            I’m sorry to read this. A diversity of voices and opinions is always needed.

          • Thundrstruckd

            You are absolutely wrong about some of the people here. You’ve listened to leftist ideologists who have fed you the lie that conservative or right thinking people are mostly middle-aged white, heterosexual, cis-gendered, gun toting, women hating, racist Christians.

            There are members here of all races, gender, sexual orientation/identity and faith who hold center or right thinking political views.

            To compare us to someone like Adolf Hitler and accuse us of being in favor of white genocide is absurd, disingenuous and highly offensive.

          • Daniel Preece

            How is killing Han Solo “in the right direction?”

          • Jimmy Griffin

            You mean the final part of the Lord of the Rings? I didn’t realize there was a lot of controversy surrounding that.

          • JediJones

            Don’t spoil it!

          • rebelsfangirl

            It can get pretty bad sometimes.

  • SteveU1

    Lets face it. They could of put out the worst movie ever and because it says star wars it was going to make a billion easy. Has nothing to do with female leads or any lead. But if they keep forceing the kennedy agenda at people it will back fire at some point like it has in the marvel comics

  • Drakk_Mallor

    Because only PC wimps would inject politics of any sort into stories about alien freedom fighters going up against archetypal tyrants in a galactic civil war.

  • SteveU1

    Has anyone ever thought that disney will never touch the clone era of star wars again! To have an army of the same person is so racist/sexist lol. Joking around of course

  • Jeff

    I find this issue of correlation between diversity and box office success to be an interesting issue. First off, I would much rather see a more independent study conducted and not one that was conducted by the Creative Artists Agency (which focuses on case ethnicity). They would seem to have a bias going into this. That does not invalidate what they are saying though. It is true that audiences in the U.S. are more diverse now than they ever have been before and it would make sense that they would like to see people that look like them on the screen. I actually think this tends to be true with all groups (more on that).
    I do not know the methodology used, but the fact that they only really cited Star Wars throws up a red flag for me. Lets face it, Star Wars will do well know matter what the make-up of the cast. With Star Wars, the movie was going to be successful regardless. A better test would be to look at movies that are not sequels or super hero movies where the numbers are not already baked in.
    I would argue that movies with a white leads have done better than with minorities and studios know that and that is why it has been difficult in the past for minorities to get the lead roles in blockbuster movies. Its funny that groups like the CAA always want to point to numbers when they think they support their point of view, but ignore them when they do not. Movies that have a dominant minority cast generally don’t do that well at the box office. Remember when George Lucas was promoting his movie Red Tails? He actually said that movie execs told him that the movie would not do that well at the box office with a cast made up almost entirely with African Americans. Well, you know what? It turns out they were right.
    If your evidence that diversity makes more money is The Force Awakens or Rouge One, then your argument is not a good one! My BIG issue and my ONLY issue is when exes like Kennedy put diversity above other considerations…such as just getting the right person for the role!!!

    • JediJones

      Just like in politics, the amount of younger non-whites is always overstated as compared to older whites. The marketing gurus told the GOP they’d never win again unless they appealed to latinos by promoting illegal immigrant amnesty. But they won with a staunchly anti-illegal-immigration candidate. These marketing gurus themselves have an agenda. You can’t really trust anyone with a non-technical college degree. The undeclared major of every single one of them was leftism.

      The big secret is how much money Hollywood could make by making movies that appeal to older white people. There’s a lot of untapped cash in that marketplace. American Sniper is probably an example of a blockbuster that came out of nowhere that appealed to that crowd. I think Wonder Woman also benefited from that crowd. The demographic breakdown of that audience skewed a lot older than average.

      • Drakk_Mallor

        So is all education brain washing? Should we burn the libraries? The schools too? Maybe we should turn them into prisons for all the political wrongdoers? πŸ˜€

        • JediJones

          No, but I keep hearing that all Russians are spies on CNN.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            That’s preposterous. Everyone knows that all Russians are bears on unicycles. Bears on unicycles, every single one of them. CNN must be fake news…

          • OfWolfandMan

            Of course they are.

      • Jeff

        Good points!

    • Mr_Crankypants

      ding ding ding! Give that man a cigar! Precisely. This poll (and it’s been out for a few months now) looked at the box office results of the last couple of years, looked at the racial makeup of the casts of each film, and from THAT, declared that it was racial diversity that accounted for Marvel movies and SW making a billion dollars a piece. Ludicrous. Ludicrous, and lazy. Correlation does not equal causality. This is stats 101 stuff.

  • Drakk_Mallor

    We’d all be a lot less edgy about this crap if Hasbro would make good 3.75 inch SA figs available like they ought to be. I don’t care who or what plays the character. I want a toy of it and I want the elbows and knees to bend. In Vintage inspired packaging. Now.

  • TRUMANIUM

    I am a minority that grew up in predominantly white area. Diversity is a code for anti white. It literally means white people are not as important as other people because of their skin color. Diversity is code for racism against white people and even more specifically diversity hates white males . And yes it is possible to be racist against white people. I am a minority, I have seen it first hand. I was raised by white people, and they are pretty awesome. I wish we would all follow Martin Luther King Jr’s advice and judge people on the content of their character and not on their skin color. It is obvious that Kathleen Kennedy is a leftist that is trying to push an anti-white agenda.

    • Drakk_Mallor

      Isn’t when something is portrayed as “Diverse” there are white people included? There are white folks on the good side and the bad side of Star Wars. It’s anti-white, though?

      • TRUMANIUM

        Yes. Lots of racists use the cover of “diversity” to be ant-white. It is the perfect cover. You are lying to yourself if you don’t believe it. I had professors in school teach how to leverage my minority status to screw over white co-workers. They relished it.

        • Drakk_Mallor

          Riiight. Well from your point of view I guess the Jedi are evil.

          • TRUMANIUM

            Yes I am a MAN, a minority and not a leftist who hates white people. Yes I like Breitbart. I do not think the Jedi are evil, but I do think that leftists are evil.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            The you are LOST!!! Lol πŸ˜€

          • JediJones

            Nothing lost about supporting an agenda that will reward you based on your hard work and contributions rather than tell you that you deserve a handout because of some mythical boogeyman keeping you down.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            So the Jedi were…fighting against a boogeyman in the confederacy of independent systems…no, wait. The Confederacy was fighting against a boogeyman…in the corrupt Senate that was keeping them down but not really, because that was all a smokescreen because Palpatine was a Sith playing both sides? I’m confused here. What are you saying exactly?

          • shane

            Isn’t this crap just ridiculous ?

    • Drakk_Mallor

      I mean, it’s possible to be ‘racist’ against anything. Some people are violently opposed to the existence of Visigoths and Mongolians. And Furries.

    • Amen brother!

    • shane

      Thank you. Your comment means so much to me on a personal level. Being a middle aged white guy I have NOT understood what’s been going on here. Yet I’ve seen and felt this attack against white men and it has very much confused me.
      Mabey it’s confused me because I know I’ve NEVER been predudice against anyone at all….ever. Period !
      However I do find ignorance appalling.

      • shane

        I also love Ewoks.

  • Superflukullus

    This isn’t such a bad study. All this article did was say that some of the past highest grossing films in the past 5 years had a diverse cast, he failed to mention how most of those movies had a huge franchise attached to them.

    • JediJones

      Yeah, this is the ol’ specious logic Lisa Simpson demonstrated so well.

      Homer: Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol must be working like a charm.
      Lisa: That’s specious reasoning, Dad.
      Homer: Thank you, dear.
      Lisa: By your logic I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.
      Homer: Oh, how does it work?
      Lisa: It doesn’t work.
      Homer: Uh-huh.
      Lisa: It’s just a stupid rock.
      Homer: Uh-huh.
      Lisa: But I don’t see any tigers around, do you?
      [Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]
      Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your rock.
      [Lisa refuses at first, then takes the exchange]

      Or…

      Lisa: By your logic I could claim that an ethnically diverse cast increases ticket sales.
      Homer: Oh, how does it work?
      Lisa: It doesn’t work.
      Homer: Uh-huh.
      Lisa: It’s just an ethnically diverse cast.
      Homer: Uh-huh.
      Lisa: But the movie grossed a lot of money, didn’t it?
      [Homer thinks of this, then pulls out some money]
      Homer: Lisa, I want to buy your next ethnically diverse screenplay.
      [Lisa refuses at first, then takes the exchange]

      • OfWolfandMan

        We’re here. We’re queer. We don’t want anymore bears.

  • Mark

    I don’t mind females in the lead roles of films but I prefer them to be weak instead of strong, with no “rise to strength” themes that are common in a lot of female-led movies. Also I think if white (armored) stormtroopers are black men underneath, black (armored) stormtroopers should be white men underneath. Women, weak or strong, have no place as stormtroopers. (This is all super sarcastic by the way.)

  • Theater Geek

    I think 90-95% of the people out there (me included) are not affected one way or another by a film’s diversity in casting. What makes some of us irritated is when filmmaker’s go out of their way to show how progressive they are to the point that the art can no longer speak for itself. Ghostbusters remake is a prime example of a really crappy movie that was defended not on its own merits but because the producers had chosen to make a political statement out of it and the people were really defending its alleged political message. I just want a good movie! I don’t care who the stars are.

    • Long Snoot

      The Ghostbusters remake is a very good example. More than half of its jokes weren’t even funny.

      • Mr_Crankypants

        There aren’t any jokes in that movie, THAT’S the problem. There is pretty much literally not a single joke in the script. I mean, if you discount basically shouting “VAGINA!!!!!” at random intervals, and, “ha-ha, she didn’t get enough won-tons, now she has too many!”. That people actually defended that movie as somehow being “IMPORTANT!!!!!!(TM)” was embarrassing.

    • SID

      #1 movie NO ONE ASKED FOR.

    • Jeff

      The interesting thing is that every time a “female” movie does horrible at the box office (Gostbusters remake is a perfect example) there are a million excuses as to why it failed. By contrast, when a movie comes along like Wonder Woman and does well, it’s a sign that movies with a female lead do well. The bottom line is that the Gostbusters remake was crap and people knew it was PC crap just by seeing the trailer. The Wonder Woman movie, however, was a just a great movie! Hollywood needs to focus on just making good movies and throw the PC crap out the window. Most of the people in Hollywood can’t do that though.

      • Paul B

        I personally want a Xena Warrior Princess movie to be made ?

      • Mike_5555

        The ultimate goal should always be to make a quality movie.

        • darthmo

          Amen.

  • hammyhamster

    lol! I’ve been saying this exact thing for many many years on sites like this. The main reason behind it is marketing related. Nothing news worthy in the least, but that is just the surface level stuff.

    Thankfully, Mr. Roddy Piper, gave me his special glasses years ago, which allowed me to see past the BS. Thanks, Rod!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/063a541c4769a35ae5b5c7f70fb0f171dcf8e2f19a7156beee8153c72c59e747.gif

  • Hazzbro Jonez

    what i dont understand is why white dudes still feel the need to be represented when we already do all of the representing. haven’t you been paying attention to history the last 2000 years >>>???? lol. im good., if i never see a white dude in a lead role again it wont even break my heart

    • Drakk_Mallor

      Yea, you’re not helping here, trolly.

      • Hazzbro Jonez

        i dont really understand. sorry if my opinion doesn’t align with how you live life. im not losing any sleep over diversity or inclusion. white males are far from an endangered species

        • Drakk_Mallor

          Dude, just don’t poke the bear, man, things are dangerous out there. It’s a powder keg, man. I’m not trying to harsh on your reality tunnel, dude. What works for you works for you. Don’t poke the bear, though, man. White folks out there are scared. And yea, they’re not endangered. They outnumber a lot of folks and they might go nuts. Don’t poke the bear, dude. That’s all I’m saying.

          • OfWolfandMan

            Ha ha ha. Inflammatory. The right here which you have expressed disinterest in and at your work, have not been inflammatory.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            I’m not sure you know what the word inflammatory means.

  • JediJones

    What’s odd is that there is this push to get female characters in the lead roles in traditionally male-led genres and movies but there is no parallel push to get traditionally female-led movies changed up to have male leads. Where are these movies, Hollywood?

    1. Man plans out his dream wedding with the help of his buddies and even finds the perfect tuxedo before it all almost ends up in disaster

    2. Male prostitute with a heart of gold falls in love with new, wealthy, female client

    3. Poor young man is picked on by his wicked stepbrothers but shows them up by meeting and marrying the beautiful Princess they’ve all been dreaming about

    4. Single dad struggles to make ends meet while trying to find any attractive woman with a good job who wants more than a one-night-stand

    5. Sex and the City 3: They’re Men Now!

    • Drakk_Mallor

      1 The Hangover
      2 Looking for Mr Goodbar
      3 Cinderfella, Jerry Lewis comedy.
      4. Dan in Real Life or 40 year old virgin. Both Steve Carrel movies, oddly…
      5. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Same paradigm of four personality types dealing with urban problems as a unit.

      There are even movies about men who dress as women who have to deal with and understand problems women face. One from the seventies was really popular, it was called “Tootsie” it starred Dustin Hoffman in drag. People LOVED it.

      • JediJones

        Planning out the perfect bachelor party is not the same as planning out the perfect wedding.

        There were definitely more male prostitute movies in the 1970s. Ah, the good ol’ days.

        4YOV is not even close to that plot. Now if we had a 40-year-old, Barbie-collecting, single, childless, socially inept, virgin woman who had been trying for years to get laid but couldn’t…

        The TMNT? LOL. Don’t recall a lot of reptile sex scenes in that one.

        • Drakk_Mallor

          Dan in Real Life was a really good movie though and Steve Carell played this widower who was raising 3 daughters. It’s this totally underrated and hilarious rom/com everyone should see.

          I am not the first person to make the comparison between TMNT and sex and the city. There are lots of franchises that have this ‘four personality paradigm’ which, when you boil sex and the city down to it’s core…whatever, that’s all it is. There was the Fantastic 4, obviously, but there was also Jerry, Elaine, George and Kramer. There’s a lot, really. Cracked After Hours did a whole bit about it. The comparison works. I know it sounds bizarre but it works, seriously.

          • JediJones

            So you’re saying both films feature a dramaturgical tetrad?

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Negative! I’ve ascertained and am simultaneously insisting upon facts pertaining towards your aforementioned dramaturgicallic tretradism as being qualitatively these fictions utmost deterministic parameter!!

          • hammyhamster

            Dan in real life is so underrated. It’s not quite up to the level of my favorite “chick flicks” like Muriels wedding or (500) days of summer, but a really great, simple, understated and easily digestible romantic, but not heavy on the comedy, movie.

            It also wins the award for best sing-along moment in a movie – mid 2000’s with: “let my love open the door”. That’s unofficial of course. Simply my opinion… which makes it fact in my mellon.

      • Nick Dickens

        Tootsie was made in 1980 I believe.

    • Paul B

      They wanted to make an all male cast Golden Girls play
      the creator of GG made them CEASE production.

      • JediJones

        Mind BLOWN.

        BTW, how is the Golden Girls still such a thing when everybody’s forgotten Perfect Strangers? Don’t be RIDICULOUS!

        A female reboot of Perfect Strangers could be interesting. A sleazy liberal city chick and her dimwitted but goodhearted eastern European traditional farmgirl cousin.

        • OfWolfandMan

          Hmm, very interesting. I’d tune in weekly, especially if they spent a lot time in bikinis, cleaning their hunting rifles. (sexist).
          I loved Laverne & Shirley. Especially Laverne.

          • Paul B

            The Golden Girls are still on the Hallmark channel at 11 pm almost every night

      • Drakk_Mallor

        What’s wrong with it? 4 elderly bachelors/widowers discussing their sex lives for an hour or two? Everyone would love that story. 4 older, retired men supporting each other as they deal with problems dating women their own age. It would be like the Odd Couple if it were 4 straight men. The Odd Couples. The Odd Quaplex. I’m sure nothing gross or unsavory could emerge in the story of four elderly men discussing their sexual conquests, in the detail men are given to use when speaking outside the hearing of ladies. And living in a beautiful home. I know 4 older men would keep a home spotless. With doilies and coasters and fresh flowers on every side table. It would be totally presentable and not at all disgusting. They’d wash every dish they used. And go on manly hunting trips. And wash their guns and talk about the good old days. the Good Old Days back in the 40s and 50s πŸ™‚

        • Paul B

          The creator of the Golden Girls didn’t like it apparently, and put a stop to it.
          I don’t think the director bothered to ask for permission and get the rights to do it in the first place.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Well ain’t that a shame. πŸ™‚

        • OfWolfandMan

          So men are pigs. Don’t generalize.

        • dogbite

          You should check out Still Game, pretty much exactly what you describe. And it’s objectively hilarious.

          • Daniel Preece

            A shout out to Still Game! It’s hands down my FAVORITE sit com of all time! I bought a Region 2 player so I could watch the newer stuff on dvd. If Amazon US doesn’t have it, just order from Amazon UK!

          • dogbite

            Series 8 this fall!

    • Funtomaz

      Would it be possible to make a version of Roots with switched races? White slaves? Black/Latino plantation owners? I mean, something like “Hamilton” only the other way round. Or would it create an outrage and meltdown? Diversity should not be a one way street. I am for diversity, society is diverse and it would be very silly to pretend otherwise. I just don’t like it when diversity is becoming a euphemism for racism of a special kind and when everything MUST be diverse, not all topics need diversity. You don’t need that many white people when you make a movie about Hip Hop. I wouldn’t shout racism because no white people have any significant screen time.
      And not that many black people are needed when you make a movie about medieval England or ancient China.

      • Drakk_Mallor

        Yes, it was called ‘White Mans Burden’ and it starred John Travolta and Harry Belafonte. It caused a minor stir when it came out in 1995. It is largely forgotten today.

        • Funtomaz

          You learn something new every day! I’ve never heard of that before!
          Ah ok, according to Wikipedia it’s more like a present day alternative reality? Not the slave/plantation setting which holds much more meaning.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Yea, pretty much. It deals with a lot of the same racial tensions that are addressed in films like Roots, however. It makes an interesting portrait of race relations in the urban USA by reversing stereotypes, much like your hypothetical version of Roots.

      • OfWolfandMan

        I really enjoyed Straight Outta Compton. I was into that stuff back then. ****But I was furious Paul Giamatti should have had more screen time with all those relative newcomers. I mean, I waited years for a biography on Jerry Heller and when it finally comes out most of the focus is black wrappers.****

    • Daniel Preece

      You make a solid intellectual argument. Those movies must be made! But to be honest, I wouldn’t watch any of them.

  • zx_spectrum_30

    I have no issue with Rey being one of the leads in TFA (to me TFA is first and foremost a Han Solo film) nor Jyn in Rogue one, which I felt was well cast and worked really well with a story that also introduced numerous new strong male characters.

    I disliked some of the more obvious moves in TFA – Phasma was a pointless cast and the female Stormtrooper felt like she was there to tick a box.

    They announce new Doctor Who on Sunday and there is quite a lobby for that to be female which I do have issues with bit that is a different debate.

    It’s great to see diversity in Star Wars, which has been there since 1977 but it’s been fashionable to be blind to the female and non- white characters in the OT. Just be brave enough to have the right people of any sex, gender, colour, etc for the role, don’t slap us across the face with PC.

  • James

    Disney bought Lucas Film and all the properties that come with it. Disney is in the Princess business. Thats their bread and butter. So it was no surprise to me to see them cast strong female leads. They are their Sci-Fi version of a princess. Expect to see a ton more strong female leads and supporting actresses in all their future projects, its their business. A good example of their modus operandi is Forces of Destiny. Anyone else see this trend?

    • JediJones

      Forces of Estrogen? Then how come it’s taken them so long to do a female-led Marvel movie? They let DC beat them to the punch.

      • James

        β€œThe dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see the future is.”

        – Yoda

  • Joe G

    My biggest problem with the new Star Wars movies is that the heroes are of diverse ethnicities, while the baddies are all white. If we are going to talk diversity, then make it diverse across the board.

    At the end of the day, I have absolutely no problem with a diverse cast from an ethnicity or female lead role standpoint; after all, the world is a diverse place. I just want a well-written, relatively clean movie devoid of a political agenda. It’s when the diversity issue is clearly attached to a political message that I have a problem.
    I’m an analyst by trade, so it’s easy for me to spot the angle in all things media. It just seems like they are always trying to sell me something that I’m not interested in buying…
    BTW, my wife is a strong woman and she’s my hero!

    • JediJones

      We definitely need more black female villains. Vivica Fox was pretty good in Kill Bill.

    • Funtomaz

      White male evil person when all the heroes are a ragtag group of very diverse people is a new movie trope . It gets tiring after a while.
      However, Star Wars always had mostly British white males as the evil side of the equation, so it’s not a new trend here. The Empire is racist (and sexist), the personnel merely reflects that. You didn’t find many blacks or Jews in the Nazi Party either back in the 30s/40s.
      It actually diminishes the evilness of the FO by having them employ black Stormtroopers and women now too. They are probably less dogmatic and more pragmatic than the Empire.

      • Ulek Calus

        I don’t think it’s ever been indicated that different human races are a thing in-universe, they’re all just human. The Empire being all white men in the OT was just a result of production being based in London and possibly other real-life factors. They’re even going lengths in the new Canon to show that humans of many varying appearances and sexes were part of the Empire all along. In-universe, I’m pretty sure their prejudice is just towards non-humans, an attitude that carries over to the FO just the same.

  • Funtomaz

    The study focused on the USA, as far as I understand it. What about worldwide markets? The USA is getting less and less important for movies when more and more money is earned in other markets. That goes so far that some movies get sequels that were a financial disappointment in the USA, but still made lots of money elsewhere.
    I would be very interested in a study that looks at things globally. How well does Hollywood diversity translate to other countries?
    And focusing on opening weekends is somewhat limited too? Why not the entire theatrical run and total money earned?

    Apart from that… Hollywood is all about money, it’s only about money. If movies with little people earned more money than movies without little people, than we’d see much more little people in movies.

    Hollywood (the industry, not the individual people, actors, directors) may pretend to be progressive as much as they like. The care nothing about diversity (or not really that much at least), they care about money. Everything is calculated and somewhat cynical.

    Something like “Straight outta Compton” made 79% of its money in the USA.
    Pacific Rim made 75% of its money outside the USA (and these strong numbers from outside the USA made the sequel possible).
    The new Star Wars movies make roughly 50% of their money in foreign markets, which is not really a high number for modern blockbuster movies.
    Something like the latest couple of Fast and Furious movies make something like 77-82% of their money outside the USA.
    Whereas something like Guardians of the Galaxy is very much dependent on the USA, it doesn’t seem to translate well to other markets, since both movies made almost 80% of their money in the USA. The rest of the world was rather unimpressed.

    Focusing on the USA alone is not enough, I hope a follow up study will show global trends.

    • hammyhamster

      Perfect… except for one thing which drives me crazy when people speak of the global box office; the NORTH AMERICAN box office (it’s Canada and US), is less influential than even 10 years ago, and that trend will clearly continue, but for Hollywood, it’s still King as the revenue % they retain from north American theatres is typically much higher (especially if you compare it to China where it’s almost “fake news” with their low % on box office returns).

      Fake Hollywood diversity does not sell internationally as well as it does in North America. Cultures are different, and they will forever be, which is you are right, that this article does not consider international markets.

      Touching on TFA box office – it made almost 50% of its BO from north America, which if you are looking at the average gobal BO percentage, is actially pretty “bad”. If it did what a typical large film franchise does internationally nowadays , it would’ve overtaken Avatar as the largest grossing movie ever. Alas, it’s 3rd, which is nice, but it clearly didn’t resonate as much outside the NA market.

      I would’ve hated TFA as the highest grossing international film so I consider that a good thing. I would’ve felt like I failed society somehow, so kudos to any and all foreigners outside of the Canada and the US who didn’t let that happen!

      • Funtomaz

        Don’t forget inflation… I think “Gone With The Wind” still made the most money worldwide.
        Episode IV is in 4th place, just behind Avatar and Titanic. Force Awakens is in 8th place.

        As someone who is not from the US, Hollywood diversity appears to be fake to me. Since – and I may be wrong here! – diversity in Hollywood almost always seems to mean “black people” and “women”. I’d actually like to see more Asians, more Latinos. You get lots of Hollywood movies with black leads these days (ok, some at least), where are Hollywood movies with an Asian lead?

        • JediJones

          Hollywood changed these Asian characters to white:
          Dr. Strange the Ancient One
          Iron Man Mandarin
          Ghost in the Shell lead

          Hollywood is terrified about offending Asians for some reason, so often avoids using them in movies at all.

          Asians also get screwed more than whites due to college affirmative action policies. If affirmative action was banned, about 40% of students at the major colleges would be Asian women.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Japan changed Major Motoko of Ghost in the Shell from an outspoken, feisty, humorous female protagonist in the manga to a quiet, somber, voiceless naked female robot in the anime. Just saying.

          • Funtomaz

            The Japanese obviously took no offence at all that the Major was played by Scarlett. The meltdown was in the USA only, on behalf of others who weren’t actually bothered.
            Apart from that Asians have a very difficult time in Hollywood and on TV. But this is hardly ever mentioned.

          • JediJones

            It only made $9 million in Japan. It’s in 23rd place for the year there. BATB made $109 million there.

          • Funtomaz

            The movie was boring, so I don’t blame them πŸ˜€ Also, they already have the manga and anime, why watch the Hollywood remake?

          • JediJones

            I thought it looked cool though and ScarJo did a good job. No regrets seeing it from me.

          • hammyhamster

            Mandarin and ancient one swaps were more than a little annoying. It was Disney bowing before the Chinese film board for some reason on those two. No doubt,,and I’m sure that the ghost movie was as well.

          • Funtomaz

            Well, GITS is a Japanese franchise, I think it had more to do with Scarlett being an international star and box office draw.
            China will undoubtely exert only more influence on mainstream Hollywood cinema in the future. I have problems with that on so many levels. A totalitarian regime should not decide what I see in movie theaters and what not. Hollywood should grow more of a backbone and stop appeasing to the Chinese or any totalitarian regime.

          • hammyhamster

            You’re right, I was just grouping the Asian story into one. Bad form from me!

            And China’s just being China. Forget about the relationship China has with Hollywood, which China is influencing greatly, I’d love to be able to see 10 – 20 years into the future and see what their influence is on the world at that point…. and how much of the US it’ll own as well.

            SIDE NOTE : I just saw that China just bought a US company I used to work for – Ingram micro – for 6-billion, so not only are they looking to own the film industry, but also IT and the world!

          • Funtomaz

            China does the same in Germany, buying companies left and right. They do it everywhere.

            I remember a time in the 80s when people thought that sooner or later all of the USA would be owned by Japanese companies, think Blade Runner. It turned out quite different.
            I hope that there will be peaceful coexistence with China, but the western nations can only hope to be on equal footing if we stand together and not drift apart (Hello, UK and Brexit).

        • hammyhamster

          Ive been touting that whole Asian angle myself for a while. Disney has a habit of making the best friend, lead or pivotal character a black male –
          when he’s not a white male – and that’s when the racist angle comes in.

          Half the world is made up of Asians or Latinos and Disney has consistently pushed them to an almost extra role… but they have gotten better to a point with movies like R1 and spider-man. But when looking back at the company’s productions as a whole over the last 7ish years, there’s definitely a trend.

          What I think is both our points, if you are going to be truly multi-cultural then do it right. By half-ass!ng it, it’s actually worse, not better.

          Either way, we both know that a big part of Hollywood and Disney are frauds. EVERYTHING is about the return on investment, not “to make the world a beer place”. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, just don’t hide behind a conflicting message.

        • OfWolfandMan

          That’s why so many people say that Hollywood’s push for diversity is driven by leftists and liberals and media.

      • JediJones

        BATB and Wonder Woman didn’t do a big % overseas either. Whatever racism or sexism is out there, one thing liberals have a hard time admitting is that the U.S.A. is just about the LEAST sexist and racist country on the planet. Almost all the others have way more issues.

        • hammyhamster

          It’s so frustrating. They yell and scream in the US (thankfully not as much in Canada) about racism this, and sexism that – could be the media also creating that divide, but from my travels, those protestors should be kissing the ground they walk on when at home… unless of course if they have truly had to deal with bigoted issues on a consistent basis then I of course would understand the rage, but EVERY country has racism and sexism. Its not exclusive to the US, and the media there seems to want to keep pushing the subject, when there’s no story to bed had.

          I found it odd that when I was living in places like south America, and i dated girls from the Caribbean or brasil or Chile or Colombia or Argentina, the story was almost the same – their father was OK if they dated a Latino or “gringo” for the most part (Canadians were always OK men, not all father’s dug US guys though), but any one else? It ain’t happening.

          I’m not even going to touch on the cat-calls women have to endure there (I almost punched out some guy in a tiny bus in Chile one night because the dude wouldn’t stop trying to hit on my girl), and boy have I experienced some wild moments in Europe regarding this topic, but my point is – we live a very sheltered life in North America, and for people who live within that society and DON’T travel internationally, they tend to think that life is worse than it actually is. Which is sad.

          • Funtomaz

            In Germany, a Turkish girl might get in real trouble if she has a German boyfriend.
            Not ALL of them, of course. But we’ve had quite a few honor killings here. The Turkish daughter gets shot by either one of her brothers or the father to restore honor to the family, because by having a German boyfriend or by having a boyfriend without consent of her father she brought shame on the family. According to their logic.
            However, Turkish boys can have all the German girlfriends they want. No problem here. None at all.
            This is macho and sexist culture turned up to 11.

          • hammyhamster

            I honestly don’t know what’s going to become of Germany. I have a slight attachment as my grandmother is from there, but I don’t think it will end up well. These recent hypocritical and violent attitudes brought on by primarily non-german raised citizens (things like the innapropriately named “honour” killing for one) will only end up poorly if your countries approach to immigration does not change.

            I’m ALL for supporting the needy, but if a culture is unwilling to adapt to its new environment, and give back to their new country who is assisting, then… they’re not needed.

          • Funtomaz

            Germany has what so many other countries have – parallel cultures. And it’s actually not THAT bad in Germany, as usual the media focuses on the spectacle, everyday life is different.
            Countries such as France have a lot more problems. You don’t want to go certain banlieus (satellite towns in the outskirts of Paris).

            One problem surely is that people come here not because they want to be German, they just want to make a good living and still keep their cultural identity. I can understand that, who wouldn’t want to live in relative paradise (compared to the country you come from). But when this culture is incompatible with western culture problems arise. Also, many who come here are young and male, which is the most problematic demographic anyway (all around the world in all cultures).
            Gemany has closed its borders (so to speak), the influx of refugees has trickled down. Austria has done the same, Poland and Hungary still won’t even have one single refugee.

            The USA used to be great at assimilating and integrating immigrants from all over the world. From what I can tell, not so much anymore since many never even learn the language anymore. How is that possible? If I immigrated, for whatever reason, even if it’s just to have a nice life and even if I still want to be German through and through, I’d still learn the language at least.

          • JediJones

            Quantities of immigrants have to be controlled. If they all come in from the same culture and bunch up in one ghetto, they will never assimilate. Taking in too many from any one location and letting them settle in the same place is a bad idea.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Yea, because everyone who lives in a ghetto or a project is there totally by choice, right? They can all just pack up and leave any time they want?

          • OfWolfandMan

            Because the left, liberals, democrats want as many possible voters. That means open, unchecked immigration. They promise them all sorts of freebies and benefits in return for votes (hopefully). But it you get all kinds of freebies, why vote? If those things are ‘threatened’ to be taken away or removed, or ”you” removed, then you might vote for the party that promises you things. And that party doesn’t give a rip about you. People used to complain the Repubs were nothing but old rich white guys (and certainly there are). Bernie Sanders, Bill and Hillary, Nancy Pelosi, Tim Kane, Al Gore. They’ll tell you “I feel your pain” and that makes people feel good so they’ll like them. They do not care about you when while they sit in their mansions and fix everything by raising taxes. Raising taxes fixes everything. They get rich, And keep ‘fixing’ things and keep feeling your pain, while your taxes go up. So many immigrants leave their toilet of a country, refuse to assimilate in the US, and want and try to turn the US into theirs. A toilet.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            β€œOf all the preposterous assumptions of humanity
            over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits
            of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed.” Herman Mellville.

            Wow. Do they callibrate the right-wing hate bots with you?

          • … You can say that because you don’t have to learn “German”… have you try it… I did… that language tries to kill your brain… and don’t get me started in the way it sounds πŸ˜€

          • Funtomaz

            I bet there are more difficult languages to learn… Finnish? Chinese? πŸ˜‰
            Yes, we know that German is not the easiest language to learn, no one would ever expect you to speak it perfectly. Grammar is really complicated, and I’m sure irregular verbs can give you migraine. And then you also have to remember grammatical gender that probably makes zero sense to any non-German. The girl is neuter, the moon is masculine, the sun is feminine (when most cultures have moon as feminine and sun as masculine).

          • … finish is amazing… it sounds like elfish… had a Estonian girlfriend once never understood a word she sad in her language πŸ˜€
            PS for our non-Europeans friends: Finland and Estonia share the *same language* … and it’s particular difficult one because it’s one of the few non Indo-European languages in Europe.

          • …that barrier goes both ways… would you ever go to a Turkish bar half drunk?

          • Funtomaz

            I don’t think many Germans would go into Turkish cultural clubs/bars either sober or half-drunk. We need better strategies to integrate and assimilate (is there a better word for that, sound so much like the Borg…) immigrants. But when it comes to relationships… some of the more fundamental immigrant families have a real problem with that. Whereas German parents, if they are ultra conservative, might frown a little but wouldn’t kill their daughter.

          • (this is way of topic)… I mentioned that because few years back, I had that experience with a German friend, and I found it quite disturbing… women rights, vary a lot from culture to culture, but they also evolve… and, IMHO, they are evolving the right way…

        • Funtomaz

          Wonder Woman’s moderate success outside the USA might have other reasons too, other than racism or sexism. Maybe it’s a cultural thing. The same reason why all the “Captain America” movies didn’t earn that much money outside the US. Perhaps it’s too American for people in Europe and Asia, too much removed from the culture outside of North America.

  • JediJones

    The biggest problem with TFA might be J.J.’s obsession with “indirect” storytelling. He doesn’t like to tell a story in the moment. It constantly has to be hinting at past events or foreshadowing future events.

    If they had simply taken the situation they describe in the movie and told it in real time, it could’ve been much more dramatic. Have Leia and Han running the New Republic and Luke training Kylo and Rey. Then Kylo falls in with the First Order terrorist group, forms the Knights of Ren, and betrays his family in a sneak attack, which kills Han Solo and severely injures Luke. Rey loses to Kylo in that fight and fails to save Han. Everyone else barely escapes with their lives, a la ESB. Then in Episode 8, the Republic is on the run and Luke has to train Rey “better and harder” than anyone he has before so she can learn to take out Kylo. No mysteries, no secrets, no storytelling gimmicks, just the actual story in order the way it happened, the way you would tell it to your child sitting on your knee.

    • Drakk_Mallor

      Abrams is all storytelling gimmicks! Look at ‘Lost’! it was one long celebration of storytelling gimmicks! TFA was a shot in the dark to see what would stick. It’s an organ, wound by an idiot, playing NONSENSE, man! We’re all just monkeys dancing to it’s tune! :((

    • Mike_5555

      That we can agree on. The way Abrams created the world of TFA was flawed to say the least. Politics and agendas adside, it was poor storytelling. Not everything has to be linear or explained, but Abrams certainly stumbled with the world building and story of TFA.

      • JediJones

        And if they wanted a real good twist, make my version and drop hints that Kylo is the one who is going to betray the Jedi, but then flip it and have Rey be the one who was manipulating everyone all along, and she turns out to be the wannabe Sith.

        • Daniel Preece

          Problem is, it’s Disney’s agenda that we *love* Rey. She’s the face of the new trilogy. They cut out Luke from Ep7 because he stole the scenes from the noobs (Abrams’s words).

      • Drakk_Mallor

        I for one wish Brad Bird, director of The Incredibles, had accepted the job. That man is fantastic. He would have given us a somewhat okay movie, despite Episode 7 having to never exist at all.

        • Mike_5555

          Brad Bird would be an excellent choice. Someone like Matt Reeves who has helmed the most recent Planet of the Apes films would’ve been a better choice too.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Thanks! πŸ˜€

    • Long Snoot

      What makes it worst is that the majority of the unexplained events were not even meant to be “kept secret” until the release of the sequels, as they had been carefully explained in books that had been released before/during TFA’s release. One example of that is how the movie doesn’t make clear what’s the relation between the new republic and the resistance, and why no action is taken against the first order while they are obviously aware of its existance.

    • Daniel Preece

      I’m going to agree with you based on my interpretation that that explanation proves that JJ Abrams sucks as a writer and director.

  • Thundrstruckd

    The hysterical absurdity of leftists.

    • Drakk_Mallor

      Such as? πŸ˜€

      • OMG. Do you have a job, LOL?

        • Drakk_Mallor

          yep, and i got the day off. Why aren’t you asking the same of the right wing commentators?

          • LOL! Because right-wing people work. πŸ™‚
            (and don’t have time for this nonsense) πŸ™‚

          • Drakk_Mallor

            I work 12 hour days in a burning hot factory among people who respect me for my work ethic. I do not call in sick unless I’m incapable of getting out of the bed that morning. I sweat all day and get heat rash that makes my skin look horrible. During my work shifts I also have to hear right wing blowhards berate me about how every value I hold dear is disgusting, communist trash. I like to come to Star Wars sites that offer nice reviews of new SW merch and not have the same thing beaten into me.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            It’s nice to hear a staunch right winger, whose only job is to play with toys I wish I could afford, give me the same crap. Thanks, Paul. Thanks JediJones. Maybe the two of you should go spend your days off on Breitbart, 8chan and Stormfront and have a great time agreeing with each other all day.

          • I am not a staunch right winger. Personally, I fall into the civil libertarian arena (a live and let live approach). I do not align with a libertarian’s views on drugs however. I have always been anti-drugs. But other than that this is where I typically stay politically.

          • Thundrstruckd

            The hysterical absurdity of civil libertarians! πŸ˜›

          • CT-7567

            Drugs can be a tough subject. On the one hand, people should have the right to put whatever they want in their bodies. Unfortunately, when they put said drugs in their bodies, that’s when other people get hurt. Usually innocent people. I don’t have a problem with alcohol or even pot. I don’t drink often and I admit that I have smoked pot before when I was much younger. It’s the other, harder drugs that have to remain illegal. Yes, I believe in the right to choose what i do with my body, but there’s always a price to pay for freedom. If part of that price is the illegality of harder drugs then so be it. I mean, you can’t just have people walking into the corner pharmacy and buying some coke or heroin. My biggest problem with the idea of marijuana being illegal is that it’s probably less intoxicating than alcohol and definitely not as damaging to the body as cigarettes. If both alcohol and tobacco remain legal, imo cannabis should be as well. If not outright legal then definitely decriminalized. I mean, if a college kid that smokes gets busted, do they really deserve to have their life ruined with a criminal record for pot? I took classes with criminal justice as a major and a marijuana possession conviction could cause a kid in school to not be able to get a license to practice law. Just my opinion, but I think that’s way too harsh a punishment for possession of a little weed. Now, as far as the bastards that sell drugs? Those are the people that deserve to rot in a cage. Just my opinion. Remember I totally respect yours.

          • Oh, and it’s NOT my only job. I do JTA for fun to escape the reality of my taxes going to people that shouldn’t be getting it. πŸ™‚

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Such as? πŸ˜€

          • It will open a can of worms and I have heard all of the rebuttals with my list of perpetrators. I will sit this one out.

          • hammyhamster
          • Daniel Preece

            We all agree there are people receiving tax-funded advantages that they don’t deserve. Question is, which “undeserving” group does one find the most offensive–the rich or the poor? That’s how current conservatism and liberalism divides up.

          • I want you to have your opinion. This is America thank goodness and we’re able to all have our own. I would ask the same of you. I am not trying to change your mind about how you think. BUt I won’t change mine either. πŸ™‚ Sometimes our posts go “off the rails” a bit, but I think for the most part we’re able to show human respect for one another. It might be condescending of each other to think we’re wrong about how we think about things, but I am so happy we can think independently. I hope you’re able to enjoy our others posts on our front page more.

            Congrats on your job. It seems like a lot of hard work. Lord knows I couldn’t do it. You’re living the American dream!

          • Drakk_Mallor

            When I’m leading a group of armed soldiers to smash your political groups printing press or silence your protest, you can get on my case about me trying to limit your free speech. Until then, all I’m doing or your doing is expressing ourselves via our right to free speech. You have your right to your opinion, and I have my right to my opinion of you’re opinion. Sometimes I will read another persons opinion and decide that my opinion of their opinion is that their opinion is crap. In making this decision, in expressing this belief, I am in now way limiting that persons right to believe what they believe. I am merely arguing against it.

          • You might have lost me a bit. Are we agreeing? LOL.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            Arguing a divergent opinion does not limit or censor that opinion. It is not, in and of itself, disrespectful.

          • I don’t think I am saying/implying that?

          • Drakk_Mallor

            “I want you to have your opinion. This is America thank goodness and we’re able to all have our own. I would ask the same of you.” – Paul Harrison

            Based on the above, by inference, you are implying here that I somehow do not ‘want’ you to have your own opinion.

          • Oh, well I understand how that might have been taken. But that wasn’t what I meant in my heart. When we discuss, of course we’re going to have conflicting points. II was just trying to state simply that we can respect what we feel, but we don’t have to agree. That’s all I meant. I didn’t meant to sound like I was casting blame or that you were stomping on my opinions.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            I read this great story where a kid whose parents were hippies was talking about America and all of us having our ‘right to free speech’. He was talking to his teacher in 5th grade about how his father stood on street corners and talked about how police officers unfairly targeted certain members of the population. The teacher replied that his father was lucky to live in America, where everyone was allowed to have their own opinion and are never arrested for speaking their mind. The kid just stared at her, sort of shocked, “My dad is arrested for speaking his mind all the time. He was in jail last week and the week before that. Every time he goes outside and says anything he’s ‘disturbing the peace’ or ‘protesting without a permit’.” The teacher doesn’t come up with any sort of answer to that.

          • Thundrstruckd

            That’s because there is an actual law that demands the “peace” of any establishment or property public or even private, is not to be disturbed. It has nothing to do with political belief, race, sexual orientation, age, social status or gender. In other words, it’s not an “us” vs “them” cause to rally behind.

            As someone who has family in law enforcement, I grow tired of the “evil policemen” drivel. Sure, there are some bad apples here and there, as there are in ANY profession. But this does not inherently mean all of them are. In fact, the remaining majority of police officers who are decent feel the same way as everyone else about the bad ones. In fact, they even have a point of view about it that most others do not and cannot: It makes their job that much harder. Because some unthinking and judgemental people are ready to grab their pitch forks and cry for blood.

            Just as I was judged by another contributor here today and compared to a racist in favor of genocide, simply based on my political views. It’s a fact that America has some ugly in it’s history. Racism and slavery. There will always be racists of ALL colors. And it’s also true that slavery existed throughout the world. The only difference is that America is the only nation, in the entire world, that fought a war to end it.

            Maybe America and it’s proud citizens aren’t too bad after all.

            And it’s ok, with the exception of Paul, RogueLeader and one or two others, no one really knows me. So, it’s fair for there to be some incorrect assumptions made about me. But they are incorrect. Though I don’t look it, I have Cherokee blood that flows through my veins. My great grandparents were full blooded Cherokee. And there are some other things I could reveal that would do more than just make you bat an eyelash at, but I’ve said enough. I’m very personal, and if people want to make incorrect assumptions about me, hey, more power to them.

            So you ask me, “such as” ? And there is just a little scraped off the surface. You see people here from all walks of life who are native American, African American, female and homosexual who can and have political views located center or right while the left wants the world to believe that those who fit into those sub categories can only be aligned with the left.

            And there’s that absurdity.

            I will tell you, I worked years in a hot, sweaty mill for years. And froze in the winter. I know what it’s like. It’s not fun. I will also tell you that if you have some difficulty getting something, I’m up for lending a hand. I always have helped people, regardless if we disagree about something. I think it’s a good thing for collectors to help each other. It builds a sense of camaraderie and strengthens the community.

          • Daniel Preece

            You tire of “evil policemen” the way I tire of “evil teachers,” or “evil public education.” I’m deep in the middle of that and I know those claims to be wrong 99% of the time. I see hard working professionals trying to improve the education of their students. I see concerned administrators trying to improve the safety and well-being of students. Yet we get endless accusations to the contrary. I see your point, but the other guy has a point too. People DO get punished for exercising their rights. It happens. When you walk that thin line where the laws are written, much of the time it’s really up to the individual policeman’s (and/or judge’s and/or jury’s) world view on whether you crossed it or not.

          • Thundrstruckd

            If someone is arrested, but no crime has been committed, it’s going to be dismissed in court. No one is arrested for excersing their rights. They are arrested once they go beyond their rights. There are of course instances where innocent are accused of crimes. There are also instances where a guilty individual escapes punishment. The only view anything is based on is the law. But there is no mass conspiracy within the circle of officials to abuse their authority. The media would like to give that impression. Generally, those who have a dislike or even outright hatred for the law or it’s enforcers are those who have a history of breaking it and blame those who enforce it. How dare them, if the police had not intervened, if they had not done their duty, my cocaine smuggling operation would be a thriving business now. If you are unhappy with a law, or feel it is unjust, write your local Senators and Congressmen. Vote. Be more proactive in your community. Study the law. Educate yourself. Run for office. We live in America, where we have the right to do so. It’s absurd that we have dwindled into a nation that is lazy, uneducated, dishonest, more interested in social issues, blame others and do nothing but complain.

          • Daniel Preece

            You’re simply overlooking the many instances of gov’t intimidation that exist to this day. Intimidation tactics include arresting/charging a person for one crime (something vague like “disturbing the peace”) when the intent is to suppress something else (such as free speech). Conviction is helpful but not necessary. Merely arresting one or a few will have a chilling effect on the crowd. It doesn’t matter if they’re released soon after, just the show of force is enough.

          • Thundrstruckd

            Again, there are good and bad in any profession. Police officers, professional athletes, Doctors, etc. I’m sure by now you’ve heard about the Doctor who brought a gun to the hospital and killed a fellow Doctor out of rage for being fired. We’ve had postal workers become belligerent and violent, we’ve had white supremacists murder blacks in the midst of worship at church, we’ve had a black man fired from his job as a reporter who murdered two white former colleagues on live tv, we’ve had women murder their own children, a radical liberal ambush GOP politicians at a baseball game and we’ve had teachers abuse minors.

            Yet, you never hear about a third of the entire nation turning on that profession and yelling for blood. As a teacher or someone in education, you state you are tired of the anti sentiment you hear from that. I don’t doubt that, I’m not familiar with it. But then again, it’s not on the news almost daily so there’s no small wonder why I am not.

            The bottom line people are people. There are decent people and there are sorry, low down people. Their profession is irrelevant. Because otherwise you are letting the thought subconsciously seep into your mind that police boigeymen are everywhere and out to get you because you are a liberal. Or a woman. Or a minority. Or a homosexual. By that theory, a white, heterosexual male should fear running into a black female police officer who happens to be a lesbian. Maybe she’ll abuse her authority based off nothing but the fact that we are two totally different types of people.

            I’m not happy when anyone in any profession abuse their power. But the insinuation that police officers are evil and something needs to change based off of random negative experiences here and there throughout history is absurd. The media has worked itself in a frenzy for years now to stoke old racial tensions by bringing to light recent police “brutality” or “uneccesary show of force”, that is also labeled as “hate”. Yet nearly every single case made popular by the media has resulted in the officer being vindicated from the charges based on fact.

            There really isn’t anything happening now that hasn’t happened before. In fact, with cameras everywhere and SJW’s taking on the self appointed role of caped crusaders, there’s even less of the dirty work taking place.

            If anyone wants to believe that illegal show of force is exclusive to America, their free to move and experience life somewhere else. I’m sure that life is so much better in the middle east or communist countrys like Russia and China. Mexico’s police have an outstanding reputation as well.

            This man who stands on a corner is a hippie. The one who has a kid who shares these stories of fear to his teacher, isn’t as cut and dry as Drakk_Mallor would want us to believe or as he (she) believes. It’s not always a case of “disturbing the peace”. While I don’t know the individual or even the city where this travesty is taking place, I do know there are other laws that apply in situations such as these, like loitering or solicitation. And if anyone feels they are being silenced and bullied because they are a “hippie”, I might suggest to them to change their clothes and change their message. Take along a friend and film it. Then, and only then, will one have a legitimate case should nothing happen to the gentleman. I’m willing to bet the very same thing will happen to him again.

            While it’s true that people have been silenced in the past, I think it’s disingenuous to say that is true today when you have the black lives matter crowd disrupting business, stopping traffic, “disturbing the police” and Chanting things like “pigs in a blanket! Fry them like bacon!” And yet no one is getting shot, no one s getting hosed and no one is being silenced. And then of course you have the cast of Hamilton assaulting a murdering a stand in for Dnald Trump, the President by the way, and did anyone silence them? No. How about Kathy Griffin? Her little mock beheading scene of the President. She criticized for it, but was she silenced into submission? Was she tossed into a prison and never heard from again? Or what about Madonna when she stated that she wanted to blow up the whit house? The police were there immediately, abused her and took her away didn’t they? Or did they?

            Actually, the majority of abuse that we see in ths day and age is not from law enforcement, but rather law makers. Politicians. People that have turned their backs on the public and forgot that they were servants of the public, not vice versa. That is a fine example of why our nation has changed course and moving in the way it is doing now.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            The kids dad in the story is handing out flyers on a street corner. He’s not forcing anyone to take one. He works for a left wing political action group, has long hair and doesn’t wear a suit and tie. He attends group protests organized to legally, non-violently oppose certain issues. Basically, the kid’s dad’s a hippy and he’s arrested all the time for simply being a hippy. Or is that something that never happened, ever?

            Yes, there are a lot of wonderful warm people in law enforcement and it sounds like you’re related to a few of them. The fact that there are a lot of warm wonderful people in law enforcement does not make up for the fact that sometimes, well, as Lisa Simpson said to her mother when Marge joined the force: “Mom, I know your intentions are good but aren’t the police the protective force that maintains the status quo for the wealthy elite? Don’t you think we ought to attack the roots of social problems instead of jamming people into overcrowded prisons?”

            Yes, there are warm, good, wonderful people in law enforcement, but I think there are some of those who admit to there being ‘bad apples’ who make the rest look bad. I would like to ask these warm, good, wonderful people in law enforcement to please let everyone know, maybe blow a whistle or something, if these ‘bad apples’ are possibly…I don’t know, sporting controversial tattoos that they flaunt in the locker room? Maybe shaving their heads to the bare skin every day religiously because they’ve been doing it since puberty? Maybe these tattoos aren’t ones they’d want any reporters to ever see so that why they wear full length black shirts and pants, even when police officers have the option to wear short sleeves, on blistering hot days? And they’re wearing black combat boots for some reason rather than boots like one thinks of when seeing a police officer? Are any of these ‘traits’ shared by the so-called ‘bad apples’?

            Because, you see, once upon a time in this country, a lot of state and small town governments were run, almost overwhelmingly, by this organization called the Ku Klux Klan. Now, supposedly, all those dirty white hooded boogeymen have been outlawed from running the show. However, we have these writers and people who exist here on the internet who are representative of something called “The Neo Nazi Undergeround” which is made up of a lot of different racist extremist groups, and they like to brag, in their writing and when they let themselves be interviewed on video, about how the average man on the street would be shocked at how much of the country they, this neo nazi ‘underground’, actually run. And when you see police officers who dress and handle themselves like proud young skinhead in shiny black jackboots, well, one has to wonder, I think. Maybe these underground neo-nazi’s are sort of infiltrating positions of authority on the local level? That would be horrifying, of course. Strange things do happen, though.

            Also, thanks for the attempted offer of a handout from the community, but I wouldn’t want anyone on here to think me as another welfare sponging leech on the Left. πŸ™‚

          • Thundrstruckd

            I never thought you were just looking for a handout. If I had, I never would’ve offered.

          • I can see that even on the most basic fundamental things that we’re just not going to see eye to eye LOL.

          • Drakk_Mallor

            You think that argument is censorship?

          • I don’t think anything. I am looking for common ground with you and no matter how pacifistic I try to be in this back and forth with you it feels like you’re still coming back with something else. I sense no agreement with anything in your comments to me. I can’t battle endlessly. We’re two different people with extremely different ideas. Hopefully we’re both Star Wars fans.

          • JediJones

            After the SJWs got a beautifully drawn comic book cover with Joker and Batgirl on it banned from publication last year, they lost any right to claim they’re for “free speech.” Most people these days can see that the left is much more interested in silencing those they disagree with than the right.

          • CT-7567

            What book was that? I never heard about that.

          • Funtomaz

            A variant cover for the Batgirl 41 issue was pulled at the request of the artist after there had been some online uproar (there were actual threats against the cover artist and he was harrassed by some people).
            It paid homage to The Killing Joke and showed the Joker behind a terrified Batgirl with tears in her eyes. He draws a red Joker smile on her face with a finger and the other hand is dangling a gun over her shoulder. It was considered inappropriate by some, because the recent Batgirl comic is apparently rather light and fun in tone and far removed from any TKJ storylines.
            Just google Joker Batgirl banned cover and you can find it.

          • CT-7567

            Thanks for letting me know, Funtomaz, I never heard about that. I’ll have to Google it to see the cover.

          • Nick Dickens

            I’m all for changing my mind.

            Someone very wise once said:
            “Show me a man at 50 who looks at the world the same way as he did at 20 and l show you a person who’s wasted 30 years of his life.”

          • OfWolfandMan

            Yes, sure. But also here at JTA it kind of gets like that. There are people who come here and say “Great review of the action figure Paul, I just wish it was a female,” or terrible toy but because it’s female I’ll pick one, or two, up.” That gets old also.

          • JediJones

            Collecting female figures may be more of a fetishization deal though.

          • CT-7567

            Who could you possibly be talking about?

        • Drakk_Mallor

          LOL

    • hammyhamster

      It’s Friday, I’m ready for the weekend, and Matt supports this message.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a0d4cf449780e6131dec69d4884072d4d6a85d6f1053ba494141fa5bfd3d9ed.gif

  • JediJones

    I told you I’m done talking about the TMNT.

  • SID

    my only comment is one word…. DISNEY

  • Fred

    Gawd, this comment section is really gross.

  • OfWolfandMan

    Isn’t CAA artist representation? So if you’re an actor, experienced or new to Hollywood, they’ll take you. They want to make money (nothing wrong with that). So they will accept anyone. Diversity. CAA wants it’s actors to be hired. More money. So of course they will say more diverse movies are better. Kind of like Bayer sponsoring a study of aspirin. Surprise! Aspirin is good.

  • This comment section needs to be taken out back, shot, and then cremated.

    • General Hux

      AMEN!!!

    • shane

      Ja !

  • rebuiltHK47

    It’s interesting how SJWs make life miserable. Same goes for those that take every little opportunity, no matter how irrelevant to the situation, to yell “diversity”, and get needlessly bent out of shape and highly offended over the smallest comment regarding diversity. The poor people have no balance.

  • General Hux
    • Mike_5555

      Perfect. I almost posted that lol.

      • General Hux

        I could post that in many comment sections. πŸ™‚

        • Mike_5555

          I’ve posted it more than a few times myself. πŸ™‚

          By the way, I haven’t seen you around here very much lately. How have you been?

          • General Hux

            I’ve been doing all right, I was on a 2 week road trip that was a combined 4750 miles so that’s apart of the reason I wasn’t on here for awhile. Also been dealing with some personal issues but hope to be on here more often from now on.

            How have you been?

          • Mike_5555

            Wow! That’s quite the road trip. I’m glad you’re doing well though.

            I’ve been well, just busy as usual.

          • General Hux

            It was quite the trip, I was able to find a few figures I was looking for along the way as well which was nice. πŸ™‚

            Glad you’re doing well!

          • Mike_5555

            Nice! Finding new figures is always a plus. πŸ™‚

          • CT-7567

            Personal issues? I hope everything is alright. You’re a good kid, Hux. You always have well wishes from me, just so you know. πŸ™‚ Sounds like you had a pretty cool trip. I love road trips. Obviously I’m not going to ask you what’s up, but please let us know if you’re ok and if your issues are resolved, ok?

          • General Hux

            Thanks!! I hope they get resolved soon, time will tell. πŸ™‚

          • Nick Dickens

            I hope things are much better now for you? You have been missed too.

          • General Hux

            I’ve missed being on here! Should be more active.

          • CT-7567

            You know, you really are a good guy Mike.I was away from the site for a while once and you asked me how I was doing. I could easily see you as a friend irl if we lived nearby. Also, I definitely consider you an online friend. πŸ™‚ I just think it was nice of you to ask Hux how he’s been. Sorry if I’m gushing too much.

  • Darth_Rizzen

    These are strange times…

    I never heard anyone complain about Leia taking charge, Lando running a fairly large scale mining operation, Mon Mothma leading the Alliance, Ellen Ripley taking out Xenomorphs, or the 60s style NCC-1701 Enterprise having a “diverse” crew.

    It seems that it was all about memorable characters and good stories, then. There’s a reason why we remember these decades old films and shows today, after all.

    Now, everything is devolving into a rather nauseating ideological war. ☹

    All I expect from a film is to take me to faraway places (in space or time) and tell me a good story. Could we please just get back to these simple fundamentals?

  • TW7

    Topics like this are like 5poa. Never a good idea and should be done with forever. I don’t come here to read some of the crap like I’ve read in the comments below. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, some are just better left to oneself. Just Wow. Reading some of these posts from regulars on here I thought I “knew” was kinda shocking but thank you for revealing who you truly are. You should be embarrassed. Star Wars, was and is, a global phenomenon for a reason. It’s themes and lessons are about as all inclusive as you can get, which is the exact opposite of some of this crap posted here. I’m all open to all sorts of dialog and I’ve been coming here a long long time but if this kind of article and posts keep up, I’m outta here.

    • CT-7567

      I haven’t read the comments yet, but I must say it always surprises me that so many people are into a film series that is a morality tale yet learn nothing from the films.

      • Jimmy Griffin

        Thank you, well said; and if you still haven’t read the comments: don’t, just don’t. You’ll be better off, trust me.

    • Nick Dickens

      I know I’ve found this out with properties like Star Trek, Star Wars, Aliens etc long ago.

      You just realise how bigoted some idiots are. I’d call them Rednecks – but that’s be attributing too many positive traits that they just do not possess.

      • Jimmy Griffin

        I knew a guy in high school that claimed to be a huge Star Trek fan, he was also fairly racist. I was like, “dude, how can you possibly justify this?”

        • Nick Dickens

          I know they just don’t get it.

      • Funtomaz

        Most SciFi is progressive (some military SF not so much) so it really is baffling to see some of the reactions. How can you be a fan of something when you don’t subscribe to the ideology? Or is it just the space battles and you tune out everything else? Star Trek Discovery has had quite some negative buzz due to casting and character choices (in addition to all the other criticism, some of which might be justified) which is plain comical when you think of the history of Trek and what they did in the 60s and 90s.
        And just now we have the new Doctor Who and some of the people are going nuts over it. If there’s any one character in a TV franchise that might change the gender or skin color or whatnot, it’s an alien that regenerates into a different physical form every now and then. The audience was prepared for this for quite a long time now with other Time Lords doing just that. I hope the actress knows what she signed up for. Might get ugly.

  • Kal Kylen

    I don’t care if the lead character is a black Chinese transvestite so long as the character isn’t boring and sadly there wasn’t one redeeming new character in The Force Awakens to get excited about going into a new trilogy. At least the prequels had redeeming leads in Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan to keep things interesting, regardless of execution.

  • Nick Dickens

    The only truth is you can be a cynical old fart and assume Hollywood are doing this solely for money, or because they’re trying to be diverse and not come actress as a youth oritenrated, young white male targeting audience.

    Whatever you decide is true to you.

  • darthmo

    Diversity of race or gender is not an issue in film apart from those who seek to use it as a form of currency for their agenda or gain and when diversity of any kind is used in an unnatural artistic way every aspect of its contrived existence is easily interpreted by the audience as hollow.
    To think they are using this diversity agenda on the Star Wars franchise, one of the most successful franchises of all time even though it has until now always been skewed towards a male audience and yet with incredibly powerful women plus diverse characters regardless shows the studio’s lack of understanding of the film property they now own.

  • Faust

    Let’s not forget that George Lucas leans pretty heavily to the liberal side of politics, and he hand selected Kathleen Kennedy to handle Star Wars. I’m pretty neutral when it comes to politics, and film “agendas” don’t really bother me as long as I am entertained.
    Ever since Dark Empire came out, the thought of a Dark Side fueled Luke Skywalker seemed like a really cool idea to me. I’d like Luke to become a villain in the New Trilogy as well…I don’t know why I just think it’d be a good twist, and fitting for a character who’s anger and journey towards the Darkside has been hinted at before. If that happens now, most people will say it is because Kathleen Kennedy’s agenda to make all white men into badguys, and not because it would be a good, fitting place to take the story.
    Like…if Rey was a dude would her awakening that yielded sudden power and knowledge of the Force be more palatable or something? I don’t get why people are so opposed to Rey being a badass. She’s a fascinating character played by a really talented actor and I’ve never understood how so many people dislike her. So many people complain about TFA being a clone of ANH, yet here they are bringing in a brand new aspect into the SWU, and everyone is against it. Would it have been better if another blonde haired, blue eyed white boy was playing Rey or is it that she can “suddenly” use the Force that gets her so much hate from fans? We know very little about this character and I am going to let the story play out, because I seriously think she had some Force training as a kid, so her being able to use it doesn’t seem out of place to me at all.

    • Paul B

      Unless they explain it as Rey being a reincarnated Anakin Skywalker Rey, you ARE my father. ?

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